Was watching an interview with the Porsche Motorsport guy and thought it was pretty cool that GT4 in German sounds like GT Fear.
Don't they say "gay-tah" instead of "gee-tee? " Serious question.
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Don't they say "gay-tah" instead of "gee-tee? " Serious question.
RukusProvider
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Haha at some people just now realizing ferrari tactics.
They lie like crazy on curb weights also. They will give out weight on a dry car (no fluids) and still make up a number below that.
It's sad because their cars are absolutely amazing!
They lie like crazy on curb weights also. They will give out weight on a dry car (no fluids) and still make up a number below that.
It's sad because their cars are absolutely amazing!
Darth Pinche
Member
Yes, like having preferred providers for your medical insurance.
jongkookie
Member
Was watching an interview with the Porsche Motorsport guy and thought it was pretty cool that GT4 in German sounds like GT Fear.
Haha.
Here's a history lesson for those not in the know:
The owner of a tractor company in the 1960's bought a Ferrari 250GT and when the clutch broke, he found out that his tractors use the same clutch as the 250GT. So he went to Enzo Ferrari and asked for a better replacement. Enzo kindly told him to fuck off because he was just a tractor maker. Little did Enzo know that telling him to fuck off was probably the worst decisions he'll ever make in his life. Who's that tractor maker you ask? His name was Ferruccio Lamborghini.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Most people know that one.
The automotive world is filled with stories better than that. For example, why the Ford GT40 was created in the first place. And the incredibly complex family history of Volkswagen and Porsche.
A lot of car companies were formed by someone with a grudge against someone else. Many failed, a few, such as Lamborghini survived. Albeit, Lambo barely made it through the 90s.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Also the history of the Land Rover/Range Rover goes back to the creator of the car who despised its existence and having to create it.
I've been reading a book called "The life of the automobile : the complete history of the motor car" lately, and the beginning is full of stories like this.
Like how Henry Ford left the Henry Ford Company which ultimately failed, and the pieces were bought up and formed into Cadillac. Afterwards, Henry Ford tried again and created the Ford Motor Company.
Like how Henry Ford left the Henry Ford Company which ultimately failed, and the pieces were bought up and formed into Cadillac. Afterwards, Henry Ford tried again and created the Ford Motor Company.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Come on now, this is like entry level knowledge
I love these stories though. I love the fact that Pagani then sprouted out from Lamborghini. It's like a beautiful passing of the crazy-ass-hypercar batton.
I just recently found out that the "Standard of the World" slogan is super-old. It's disappointing that they don't put it to good use anymore, when it's such a badass slogan.
I really want to be proud of Cadillac. They're getting better but they still have a ways to go.
The guy who turned the Henry Ford Company into Cadillac later left to found Lincoln. When Lincoln had financial troubles, Henry Ford low-balled the offer to purchase Lincoln as revenge.
Well, sometimes it's misused. Like in the ATS Superbowl Commercial from 2013. "Built to take on the BMW 3-series" and "the new standard of the world" don't really work together well.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Everyone in the auto industry has fucked over and sexed someone else at one point or another. Maserati would've likely ceased to exist without Alejandro De Tomaso's involvement in the company, arguably attributed to his Pantera becoming so legendary and so quickly. His ownership and President/CEO role in Maserati helped save the company during the oil crisis, which were the worst years for automobile companies. Known fact: Panteras were sold exclusively in Ford dealerships and were largely powered by Ford internals. It was arguably a Ford in every way but the name.
And then Chrysler tainted Maseratis to near death, until Fiat stepped in and purchased the brand. Later moving it over into the hands of Ferrari.
And speaking of Chrysler, DaimlerChrysler had an enormous partnership and huge ownership in Mitsubishi. After they severed ties, Mitsubishi has since been a nobody in the United States.
And then Chrysler tainted Maseratis to near death, until Fiat stepped in and purchased the brand. Later moving it over into the hands of Ferrari.
And speaking of Chrysler, DaimlerChrysler had an enormous partnership and huge ownership in Mitsubishi. After they severed ties, Mitsubishi has since been a nobody in the United States.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
HOLY.
FUCKING.
SHIT.
http://www.scion.com/buildyourscion...612&model=iQ&transmission=Automatic&year=2015
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Shout out to Cyan for coming through. I just bought my wife a 2014 Accord for Xmas . I gave him my info and he submitted the claim a settlement that had been reached for a case. It was for $500.
Today the check came in.
Based Cyan thank you bro!
M'SubaruHOLY.
FUCKING.
SHIT.
http://www.scion.com/buildyourscion...612&model=iQ&transmission=Automatic&year=2015
jongkookie
Member
HOLY.
FUCKING.
SHIT.
http://www.scion.com/buildyourscion...612&model=iQ&transmission=Automatic&year=2015
LOL WAT.
Although to be fair, the better question is why are you speccing out a iQ?
Also I know that Lamborghini's history is Car History 101, but most people were actually surprised about Ferrari's clauses and inner circle BS so I figured they wouldn't know either.
Besides, the real point of that story is that Ferrari's elitism has long been a company trait since Enzo founded it. But it's only until recently where it started to really rear it's ugly head.
Some intern in Maranello is probably reading this and probably just put me on a blacklist for talking shit about Ferrari. And to be honest, go on coz I don't really give a shit lol. I'd rather take a Porsche anyway since they seem to cater to the enthusiast crowd, not the prestige and elitism bullshit Ferrari likes to perpetuate lol.
Ferrari used to refuse to allow their cars to be in games with police. I had to hack NFS 3 and 4 to play with the Ferraris in hot pursuit mode. They suck as a company.
Most people know that one.
The automotive world is filled with stories better than that. For example, why the Ford GT40 was created in the first place. And the incredibly complex family history of Volkswagen and Porsche.
A lot of car companies were formed by someone with a grudge against someone else. Many failed, a few, such as Lamborghini survived. Albeit, Lambo barely made it through the 90s.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1844254763/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0547336055/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Mohonky
Member
Ferrari will always be like that and that's kind of their point. They sell their cars as a prestige product so owners feel like their some sort of privilidged member of an elite club; the image of being a Ferrari owner is as important as the car itself, hence limited production numbers and the fact that on upper end models they tell you whether you are allowed to buy one, whether you have the money or not. I dont think they have ever marketed otherwise. They also have a few cars you 'buy' but aren't even allowed to use as you want. You can only use them when and where Ferrari say you can and they are kept at Ferrari.
Porsche are typically German. Its a product made from good engineering to serve a purpose; motorsport. They price accordingly and expect to sell higher volumes of vehicles. They are still an exotic brand but thats because of the price of the engineering and the finish, but they make plenty of cars that are not wildly beyond the aspirations of your middle class if you are happy to get in their lower end vehicles which are still excellent and refined vehicles themselves.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
We don't know anything yet.With a CVT to boot?
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Lol, I saw it on another site, couldn't believe my eyes, and had to check for myself. Then proceeded to cry from laughter.
On the continued subject of dealings between different automakers, another very interesting story is Porsche's failed takeover of VW.
I saw this BBC produced report on CNBC several years ago that goes over how Porsche went about gaining a very large share of VW in 2008.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MycyLJ3y9M8
edit: This is a much more condensed version of what happened and some of the aftermath.
http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0911_porsche_and_volkswagen_what_happened/
I saw this BBC produced report on CNBC several years ago that goes over how Porsche went about gaining a very large share of VW in 2008.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MycyLJ3y9M8
edit: This is a much more condensed version of what happened and some of the aftermath.
http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0911_porsche_and_volkswagen_what_happened/
m_shortpants
Member
Wait, can you expand on this? I bought an Si last May..
There was a settlement that came from a case against Honda and if you bought a Honda within the time frame that Cyan made his post you were eligible. I am not sure when the cutoff date was/is.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
you have a link to this?
David Incorporated Esq.
Member
It was the wildest thing to watch. Porsche went from being the largest automotive company in the world to a subsidiary of VW in the blink of an eye. Fortunately it hasn't changed their mission statement in any meaningful way, if the boners for the GT4 are to be relied upon.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Here it is:
(Fake) Leak for comaprison:
(Fake) Leak for comaprison:
I see you, Alpha
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Same reason they didn't post their sub seven second run of the 'ring: no one wants to be second.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
didn't porsche send out a trio of 918s for their ring record with ex F1/Lemans drivers driving the cars?
secondly, everyone likes to mock ferrari and to a lesser extent mclaren, but why is everyone so convinced that porsche is so innocent in the lap scam game?
secondly, everyone likes to mock ferrari and to a lesser extent mclaren, but why is everyone so convinced that porsche is so innocent in the lap scam game?
David Incorporated Esq.
Member
The lap time BS from P, M and F is kind of getting on my nerves. I don't get the point--just make the most outrageous, technologically impressive or engaging car you can and forget the numbers.
I think Porsche has the right idea (of course I do) with the 918. The exhaust comes out the top and you can take the roof off. McLaren and Ferrari are on tip toes with their numbers so that neither is slower than the other while Porsche is going "Hey, you can take the top off on nice days!"
I think Porsche has the right idea (of course I do) with the 918. The exhaust comes out the top and you can take the roof off. McLaren and Ferrari are on tip toes with their numbers so that neither is slower than the other while Porsche is going "Hey, you can take the top off on nice days!"
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Because their products speak for themselves, and if that's not enough, there's actual objective evidence of their feats:
Porsche 918 Ring Lap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEv_uFBnzwI
McLaren P1: Bullshit Ring Lap Video with pretty cinematography:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnFQG51yFMc
Ferrari LaFerrari Ring Lap:
mmazurkiewicz
Member
Evidence?
Just like Nissan and its GTR times?
Videos mean nothing when you tune the car to non-production spec which is what Nissan was accused of.
Just like Nissan and its GTR times?
Videos mean nothing when you tune the car to non-production spec which is what Nissan was accused of.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
The point is, they gave us the closest thing to the truth out of the three in that instance. The second point is, that the TG guys said that Porsche agreed to have a customer bring their car, unaltered, McLaren was on board until Ferrari bitched like the babies they are.
There is also more history of Ferrari being shitbirds about this than the other two.
Who should be setting lap times, random joes off the street?
mmazurkiewicz
Member
obviously no but GM, for example, sends their factory driver out, and a lot of the fastest laps posted are by magazine editors.
the top 10 times do seem to be by GT drivers though.
Here it is:
Looks better than I thought it would!
I wonder what the interior looks like.
Didn't McLaren refuse to have it at the top gear track because they were worried about the 4WD on the 918?
Taken from the R8 thread in OT.
3200 lbs curb weight, 110 lbs lighter than predecessor. Two V10 models available at launch with an e-Tron version available upon customer request.
E-Tron version
92 kW/h battery (bigger than Tesla Model S ...) , dual electro motors with a total power of 460 hp and 920 Nm and a range of 450 km. Acceleration is 0-100 km/h in 3.9 and a top speed of 210 (limited?) or 250 km/h.
Regular V10 version
540 hp, 540 Nm, speed sensitive integrated rear wing, 0-100 km/h in 3.5 s, vmax 323 km/h
V10 Plus version
610 HP, 510 Nm, fixed rear wing, 0-100 km/h in 3.2 s, vmax 330 km/h
Interior
Press Release: https://www.audi-mediaservices.com/...itteilungen/2015/02/26/audi_presents_the.html
3200 lbs curb weight, 110 lbs lighter than predecessor. Two V10 models available at launch with an e-Tron version available upon customer request.
E-Tron version
92 kW/h battery (bigger than Tesla Model S ...) , dual electro motors with a total power of 460 hp and 920 Nm and a range of 450 km. Acceleration is 0-100 km/h in 3.9 and a top speed of 210 (limited?) or 250 km/h.
Regular V10 version
540 hp, 540 Nm, speed sensitive integrated rear wing, 0-100 km/h in 3.5 s, vmax 323 km/h
V10 Plus version
610 HP, 510 Nm, fixed rear wing, 0-100 km/h in 3.2 s, vmax 330 km/h
Interior
Press Release: https://www.audi-mediaservices.com/...itteilungen/2015/02/26/audi_presents_the.html
whatsinaname
Member
The Audi A3 looks so generic. If there isn't a badge on, I would just assume it is a new Toyota Corolla or something.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Livestream Porsche Press Conference 3 March 2015 05:30 EST
Who else is gonna be up bright and early to watch this?
Can't wait to see the GT3 RS. That thing is going to skyrocket to #1 dream car, I think.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
The interior looks leagues better than the outdated old car. But I hate how the infotainment screens are being integrated into the clusters. They need to be in the center stack, because I don't think drivers should be distracted by them, especially if you have a passenger who is better off tinkering with the audio and navigation. But with all of that in front of the driver, the passenger can't assist.
Yeah, I'm sure it's gonna be insane. North of 500HP N/A from a 4L flat 6 with a super wide body and rubber.
Also, this is just wishful thinking, but I hope it convinces some people to switch their orders to one instead of a GT4 so I have a better chance of getting allocation.
North America is only getting 600 cars this year, 125 of which have already been reserved by 918 owners due to a VIP program.
Damn rich motherfuckers, you already have the million dollar flagship car! Why do you need a hopped up Cayman? Leave that for us mortals.
Allocation should be announced in a week. Not sure what car I would get if I can't get my hands on one. Nothing else appeals to me around the $100K mark, and I don't have the money to step up to a 488 or anything crazy. Will probably settle for a CPO Cayman GTS or 911S.
Meh, fuck the passenger. It's much easier for the driver to quickly glance down for info, music, or nav when driving rather than taking their eyes off the road to look at a centrally mounted screen. Not as distracting as you think. At least I haven't had any trouble with them.
The new Porsches have a pretty good compromise. There is a large center screen, but also a small one on the right side of the cluster for the driver.
Guess Audi thought that would be redundant.
David Incorporated Esq.
Member
Is the R8 continuing the tradition of being a "not as cool or good" Lamborghini? The idea of it being badgineered always bothered me and I've never had much interest in it as a result.
I'd like to hear some different opinions about the 2015 Murano
Right now we're in love with the Mocha brown leather interior and just "cool" with the exterior. We're not considering the Rav4 because it's ugly, the CRV because I have 3 officemates that just bought CRVs the last few months, and the Rogue because I already have a 4cylinder/CVT combo vehicle and at least want something more refined than that.
We're a young couple, no kids, but two pets coming on the way, and strictly buy only Japanese brands, and generally plan to keep our vehicles for at least 10 years. Is the Murano our only real option staying around or under 40k (out the door with taxes and everything) that still has a great interior, decent engine and reliability?
We only buy cars new, because of some bad experience with 2nd hand, but don't know what else we should cross-shop. Our "safe" alternative is to just buy a V6 Camry or Accord and call it a day, but we like the high seating position of a crossover.
Right now we're in love with the Mocha brown leather interior and just "cool" with the exterior. We're not considering the Rav4 because it's ugly, the CRV because I have 3 officemates that just bought CRVs the last few months, and the Rogue because I already have a 4cylinder/CVT combo vehicle and at least want something more refined than that.
We're a young couple, no kids, but two pets coming on the way, and strictly buy only Japanese brands, and generally plan to keep our vehicles for at least 10 years. Is the Murano our only real option staying around or under 40k (out the door with taxes and everything) that still has a great interior, decent engine and reliability?
We only buy cars new, because of some bad experience with 2nd hand, but don't know what else we should cross-shop. Our "safe" alternative is to just buy a V6 Camry or Accord and call it a day, but we like the high seating position of a crossover.
I think the 2015 Murano is very distinctive in a good way on the exterior and the interior is really nice as well. Saw a loaded white one the other day with dark tint. Just recently watched this detailed review from Alex on Autos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxiN_yDQnOA
If I was in your position, it would be on my short list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxiN_yDQnOA
If I was in your position, it would be on my short list.
CharlieDigital
Banned
Around $32k you can get a fully loaded Mazda CX-5. It has excellent fuel economy and great driving characteristics but it won't be as upscale as the Murano or RDX. Also, it's a 4cyl. so not as much power.
Around $38k, you can get a fully loaded Acura RDX. More power than the CX-5 and slightly better interior, but I didn't think it was worth the $6000 difference. Fuel economy is also not that great being a V6.
The Murano is very small in person, actually. If you have pets, take a look at the CX-5. RDX is a nicer vehicle, but pricey for what you get compared to the CX-5.
2016 CX-5:
2016 RDX:
