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Autumn Anime 2016 |OT| The seasons change, but we're still Falling for Euri

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Jintor

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i'm going to leave my review as-is as a monument to my stupidity

/edit goddamnit i was even thinking about how the art-style with its lack of shading and thin-lined efficiency was 100% hosoda
 

Dynedom

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Which makes the comment of it being inferior to "his" later works kinda funny as I don't know if anyone would place Summer Wars or Beast over it (MAYBE Wolf Children though).

I personally liked Wolf Children over TGWLTT but I may need a rewatch.

edit: Holy shit, TGWLTT was 10 years old this year? Time for a rewatch.
 

Jintor

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I'd put Wolf Children over it for roughly the same reasons as I would've put Shinkai's films over it, i.e. "I didn't think the ending of Time went for it as strong as [other films]"
 

Dynedom

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Yeah between Wolf Children, TGWLTT and Summer Wars, I think the ending of Wolf Children stuck with me the most.

Still have to watch Boy and the Beast but I seem to remember it not having great feedback here.

edit: Speaking of Shinkai, I need to rewatch Garden of Words too. I honestly can't remember much about it except for the eye porn. I think I was constantly distracted by how good it looked.
 

Jintor

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I really don't remember a lot about Summer Wars (that isn't related to Our War Games) besides the feeling of a big family get-together, falling satellite, thinking the tanned kid was a girl for half the movie, and a fighting rabbit.
 

Jex

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Or it'll make him so bored/annoyed he'll stop at episode 7 and swear to avoid edgy Japanese techno-thriller animes like the plague in the future.

Uh, Texhnolyze is definitely not a 'thriller' in any sense of the word. I'm not really sure how much of the show you watched, but Texhnolyze is largely a slow, quiet and contemplative work punctuated by ugly bursts of violence.

I can't really see how you'd label it as 'edgy' either. Whatever 'edgy' is, it's usually wrapped up with some kind of overblown, teenager angst that's presented in a fairly over the top manner. While Texhnolyze is certainly a downbeat series the way it presents its material is in a fairly muted and restrained way.
 
The less you remember about Summer Wars, the better. Cliché-ridden trash. And his Digimon film is a better, more fun alternative if you've seen the series.
 

Jintor

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On a side note, I've been to a couple of locations after seeing them in anime, but I think this is the first time I've been to a location first before seeing it in an anime (the Tokyo National Museum is pretty distinctive)
 

BluWacky

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I think of all the shows im still watching, Yuri on Ice is probably the most flagrant and guilty show of just almost completely objectifying its characters and putting them into sexy poses and lingering, revealing shots, Victor has probably spent more time naked than any other character this season for example, lol plus guys are pretty much dry humping the ice at points. And to be honest that’s what im still watching it for at this point. Because there’s fuck all else happening in the show. No exaggeration the characters in Free! have a marina trench worth of depth in comparison to Yuri on Ice’s. And im sure the show’s creator’s aim is to emphasis the sexiness of having hot guys in skimpy outfits doing proactive dances as much as possible and hey more power to them.

I sort-of think that that isn't the creator's only aim. When the show DOES bother to do character beats it does them pretty well; episode 7 for instance does a decent job. It's just so swallowed up by parading quirky skaters past us without a life outside the rink that it doesn't have time to do it enough.

Flip Flappers id say usually justifies it. It usually is woven into the story and serves some point like the shower/bath scene in episode 4 when Cocona and Papika were laying everything bare and opening up to one another. Or episode 8 and the blatant ass shot, which is a shot you see in tons of mecha anime so I guess you could call it a homage or inter-textual fanservice and the world was being partly influenced by Bu-chan who is a pervert which explains the voyeuristic angles. So at least there was some context for why it was happening and its built into the story/world so I didn’t mind it but I could totally understand why some people find it off-putting.

Mentally for me there's a distinction not just in the fact that one show is filled with manservice and the other isn't, but in terms of... well, I can't think of a better word than consent.

Yuri on Ice rather specifically does not sexualise its teenage characters . Some of the 15/16/17 year olds are portrayed as rather childlike, but their routines and attitudes match this (note how Yurio's dance is on agape, a pure concept of love, and the suggestion is that his eros would come from anger and desire to win rather than something sexual). It's only when you get into the 20-something skaters that the sexualised elements come into play. Flip Flappers, by contrast, takes the time-honoured anime route of sexualising high school girls, with issues that play counter to Western sensibilities as a result.

Yuri on Ice is also a highly performative anime. While the characters are obviously the pawns of the writers in terms of their sexually suggestive dialogue and so forth, they are often quite literally performing for an audience; Christophe's routine for instance is deliberately chosen to accentuate his libido, essentially, and everything about it is an active choice by the character to display this characteristic - there's an understanding that the camera shows him grabbing his own ass because that's where he wants the focus of the moment to be. Flip Flappers, exactly as you describe, is voyeuristic; the camera lingers in private places, showing illicit things rather than stuff put on show. While the scenes taking place may be justified by the plot, the viewer's presence as a spectator is not.

While this probably doesn't really mean anything in terms of your comments, it's certainly one reason where I'm much more comfortable with Yuri's occasionally ridiculous fanservice than Flip Flappers. Bluntly, I don't feel like a perve watching it.
 

Haly

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Though it compares unfavourably to my mind with Shinkai's later work, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time smacks of his trademark styles;
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I mean daaaamn.
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Mahouka was boring as fuck. I believe that was the season I decided to stop watching garbage.
What? Its one of the few anime that excellently combines magic science and technology with an intriguing school setting. The lead is up there with Kirito and Touma Kamijou for how youre supposed to write a lead character.

The movie will be so good. I cant wait.
 

Moaradin

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Which makes the comment of it being inferior to "his" later works kinda funny as I don't know if anyone would place Summer Wars or Beast over it (MAYBE Wolf Children though).

I personally liked Wolf Children over TGWLTT but I may need a rewatch.

edit: Holy shit, TGWLTT was 10 years old this year? Time for a rewatch.

I thought Summer Wars was more enjoyable personally.
 

pbayne

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I sort-of think that that isn't the creator's only aim. When the show DOES bother to do character beats it does them pretty well; episode 7 for instance does a decent job. It's just so swallowed up by parading quirky skaters past us without a life outside the rink that it doesn't have time to do it enough.



Mentally for me there's a distinction not just in the fact that one show is filled with manservice and the other isn't, but in terms of... well, I can't think of a better word than consent.

Yuri on Ice rather specifically does not sexualise its teenage characters . Some of the 15/16/17 year olds are portrayed as rather childlike, but their routines and attitudes match this (note how Yurio's dance is on agape, a pure concept of love, and the suggestion is that his eros would come from anger and desire to win rather than something sexual). It's only when you get into the 20-something skaters that the sexualised elements come into play. Flip Flappers, by contrast, takes the time-honoured anime route of sexualising high school girls, with issues that play counter to Western sensibilities as a result.

Yuri on Ice is also a highly performative anime. While the characters are obviously the pawns of the writers in terms of their sexually suggestive dialogue and so forth, they are often quite literally performing for an audience; Christophe's routine for instance is deliberately chosen to accentuate his libido, essentially, and everything about it is an active choice by the character to display this characteristic - there's an understanding that the camera shows him grabbing his own ass because that's where he wants the focus of the moment to be. Flip Flappers, exactly as you describe, is voyeuristic; the camera lingers in private places, showing illicit things rather than stuff put on show. While the scenes taking place may be justified by the plot, the viewer's presence as a spectator is not.

While this probably doesn't really mean anything in terms of your comments, it's certainly one reason where I'm much more comfortable with Yuri's occasionally ridiculous fanservice than Flip Flappers. Bluntly, I don't feel like a perve watching it.

I appreciate your stance. Lol i don't think im smart enough to get into a big debate on authorial intent vs viewer consent. But ill have a go.

My Flip Flappers comparison was more aimed at Izetta than Yuri but id agree with you that when its part of the skating performance i have absolutely no problem with the manservice on display since it amplifies said performances. Its when they aren't skating and we get 3 bath scenes with Victor's chiseled abs(which im not complaining too loudly about tbh) but at times i do wish the show could have filled that downtime with a little more character work you know.

Flip Flapper, i don't think its a show as brimming with fan service as some people make it out to be (lol last episode aside, even with context was admittedly pretty ludicrous at times). I agree that the age of the characters against the possible lack of consent...can make it a tricky issue to talk about. If you feel grossed out by it, that;s perfectly valid.

Long story short, i guess im comfortable with both levels of fanservice and sexual elements in both shows for different reasons since they both serve a purpose.
In Yuri I enjoy it in a an aesthetic sense of I like looking at hot guys and it makes sense for the sport they are in.
In FF i at least understand that's is feeding into the larger overall narrative and isn't done "just cause".

While im at it...

Ghost Hound End.

Trash.
 

Andrew J.

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i'm going to leave my review as-is as a monument to my stupidity

/edit goddamnit i was even thinking about how the art-style with its lack of shading and thin-lined efficiency was 100% hosoda

It's an easy enough mistake to make, because 1) it's got a Shinkai-esque melancholy tone and 2) there are no furries.
 
Kiss Him Not Me Episode 8

Nana doing the magical girl anime dance was awesome and he made a perfect Dark Prince. I also love how he had the whole focus too. Hes my favorite.

Classicaloid Episode 8

The song for their pain was really funny and wow if true.
 
Monster Strike Episode 50

I need Oraternative Dragon to make a return so we can all Opario together again.

Also I guess the memories will really be movie exclusive since were nearly out of episodes :(
 

JulianImp

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Eupho radio? Bookmarking FTW.

Edit: Wait, I can't find a way to listen to previous broadcasts... does anyone know if the site allows you to do that, or if they can be found anywhere?
 
Cardcaptor Sakua TV anime in 2018.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaa give me more Carcaptor! One of my favorite of all time!

For those who read it, does it take place before
Syaoran comes back?

Edit: I just read the synopsis and it takes place in junior high so it more or less answer my question, but he's in the voice cast so I guess he's there.
 
Since it was brought up

Flip Flappers id say usually justifies it. It usually is woven into the story and serves some point like the shower/bath scene in episode 4 when Cocona and Papika were laying everything bare and opening up to one another. Or episode 8 and the blatant ass shot, which is a shot you see in tons of mecha anime so I guess you could call it a homage or inter-textual fanservice and the world was being partly influenced by Bu-chan who is a pervert which explains the voyeuristic angles. So at least there was some context for why it was happening and its built into the story/world so I didn’t mind it but I could totally understand why some people find it off-putting.

Nah, nah, nah. If it were more contextual, we wouldn't have those disturbingly detailed shots in the otherwise gloriously animated transformation scenes. The lingering shot in Episode 4 never felt like that, since we didn't have shots of Papika directly looking at or admiring Cocona's body. This was obviously for the viewer.

At least for the first two series mentioned, the characters are much older so you don't feel completely uncomfortable. Flip Flappers' major characters are still in puberty. 😬 And for episode 8(I'll admit I haven't seen it), yeah, mecha "homages" are off the table.

Such a shame, really. If it weren't for the fanservice, I'd rank it up higher with Mob Psycho and Osomatsu-san as the best anime of 2016.
 
I think it's about time I check out that series. Kinda forgot in the meantime that he was its director.

It's definitely worthwhile. The whole series just has such a perfect charm to it.

Also pretty much the entire voice cast.

They gettin' the band back together.

Yeah, I'm very glad the voice cast are all returning. It wouldn't be the same without them. Glad they aren't pulling a Digimon here.
 
Lostorage incited WIXOSS 08

Both of these series have that one character who is just an absolute piece of trash and Kou has cemented himself as the one.Chi is just misguided and chose the wrong path in order to make herself stronger and is gonna need her beat to beat the crap out of her to see the error of her was. Kou figuratively and literally jerks off to the suffering and despair of the people he's facing and lives he's ruining. Episode also went a long ways in showing things aren't so different from the original game as they were seeming to be.
 

blurr

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Oh Girl Who leapt through time was my first Hosoda film, loved it, rewatched it so many times, one of the few anime I showed to my sister heh but Wolf Children surpassed it.

I generally like Takaaki Yamashita's character designs as well.
 
Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters 9:
Man, this was a downright fantastic episode. The comedy and the art was on point. The first two-thirds of the episode was just hilarious. Every moment I thought it couldn't get any better, it just kept going. It was great to see the Gatchmon/Navimon rivalry come back, and they were hilarious throughout the whole episode. Perorimon also had some really great scenes, especially during the race. Pretty much everything in the Cyber Arena was just a ton of fun.

But mixed in with all of that, you also had the scenes talking about Leviathan. And when Tutomon started to explain how AIs work, and what makes Leviathan so dangerous, it was a really good moment. Especially when Eri and Astra start to realize how serious things are, and that they aren't just having a good time and nothing else. There were good character moments for all of the cast in there.

And then we get to that ending. The arrival of Hackmon, the end of the fun and games for everyone, and the realization that shit is about to hit the fan in a big way and that right now the protagonists are completely outclassed. We're definitely at a turning point in the story right now. The music, which has always been good, was even better this episode, perfectly encapsulating how important those final moments were and completely shifting the mood from the lighthearted first two acts of the episode.

In 9 episodes, this show has definitely shown to me that it has what it takes to stand with the best of the Digimon anime if it keeps this up. I'd probably put the first 9 episodes above the first 9 from any previous Digimon show aside from Tamers. We're watching a very special show right now.
 
Occultic;Nine Episode 8 – Happiness is a Warm Gun
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Its almost like he was talking about going to Cray. I love the CFvanguard love.

I dont know how some of the non Gamotan affiliated characters fit into the plot as what do they add into it. Gamotan has his father connection to the society, and the two investigators are clearly important, as well as Gamotan's new friend who is the son of the deceased professor, but what about everyone else?
 
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