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[hosannainexcelsis]

She gets sucked into a hole and has to get home.

Hey, that's also the plot of the first episode of Flip Flappers!

Oh and it's an allegory about why it sucks being British and never to play croquet.

Not this though.

 

[ibyea]

On Flip Flappers, I am with Gvitor on this one. The first episode is nice and promising, and to say it doesn't have a plot is an exaggeration, but I do need more contexts. I came out of the episode thinking it was pretty cool, but I didn't have any particular feelings toward it. I do have faith that as the show goes along, there will be more meat to chew on, so I am sticking with it.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Animation and visuals were good, but that wasn't enough to grab me. There's plenty of shitty anime with good visuals.

I'd say what's remarkable about the visuals is not just that they're "good visuals", but the way the show smartly utilizes the visuals as part of its storytelling. Every scene is built up with them. They help to build the atmosphere, the setting, the colors contribute to the mood of each scene. It's a lot more than just a mediocre show that happens to look pretty at times. It's rare for shows to be firing on this sort of level visually.

I'm not sure if you mean the part I'm about to describe, but to me the best part of the episode was when Papika went to grab Cocona's glasses. The tone suddenly shifted from this bubbly adventure to a dark world with actual stakes. I'm not sure this will pay off or if I read too much into that short sequence, but that's what I liked the most. And, again, if I knew anything about this world I'd be more invested on that short scene.

I was thinking more of the first half of the episode, with a lot of the scenes where things looked really pretty, but everything was really showing Cocona's reservations and dissatisfaction with her life. Right from the opening scene the show was establishing that this is something which is colorful on the surface, but that the story going on beneath the surface is not necessarily a bubbly one. It was that sort of feeling that attracted me from the start.

The sequence with Papika going to grab the glasses was a great one, too. It felt like the moment where the stuff that was bubbling beneath the surface started to rise up to the top.

 

[Line_HTX]

Stage play adaptations can be a neat alternative.

 

[nintendoman58]

Thunderbolt Fantasy - 13

MORE. I DEMAND MORE.

SEASON 2 WHEN.

 

[Gvitor]

Gi(a)rlish number 01

Okay, did someone already gif the

" is it a manga? "
"no, light novel"
"((("

conversation?

Because I lost it hard

I never knew I wanted this.

EDIT: Finished it. This came out of nowhere and it might be my favorite new anime of the season. It might even skyrocket into my AOTY list.

 

[nintendoman58]

You people better let me vote for Thunderbolt Fantasy as AOTY.

I'm serious. That was the best thing Urobuchi's ever made. Better than Madoka Magica.

It deserves to be the first thing people see when they open the AOTY results thread.

 

[dimb]

It's not really anime.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

It's not really anime.

Yet it's a form of Japanese animation. Should it not?

 

[duckroll]

I think it'd be better if they just came out and said what "pure illusion" is, even if the purpose of the show is to be an anthology of adventures (which I don't think will be, by the way). Purposedly avoiding the subject (Cocona asks if it's a parallel world or a dream specifically, to which Papika just dodges the question) didn't work with me. A "show, don't tell" approach could work, but when you only show and don't tell anything, it really doesn't.

Again, it's just a pilot, but it has to have something for me to grab on, something that I can look and recommend to someone, and right now that something just isn't there. I'm not sure what is there, actually.

Well, honestly, I would say... who cares? Are you -really- interested in the show because you want to know what Pure Illusion is? Does it matter? Or are you hoping that what Pure Illusion is makes you interested in the show? Because that's backwards. The hook here is garbage. No one cares what Pure Illusion is. Not the characters, probably not the writer, probably not even the director. It's just a "thing". Whatever it is, is probably stupid. The backstory is probably stupid. This isn't a narrative driven show. It's a bunch of animator buddies coming together to fuck around and draw cool shit about fantasy worlds and two girls who are not-lesbians almost getting it on, and a stupid robot that does cute/creepy robot-sidekick things. It's never going to be a substantial plot. It's for people who enjoy visual stuff so we can fap to our own words while we talk about the animation, the direction, the themes, the visual motifs, and how the framing and camera motion enhances the tone. Fap fap fap fap fap.

Sorry, got a bit too honest there.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Yet it's a form of Japanese animation. Should it not?

Japanese animation? Isn't it hand puppets from like Taiwan with some animation and special effects?

 

[nintendoman58]

It's not really anime.

Aw come on. It's no different than a claymation movie being listed as an animated feature.

Thunderbolt Fantasy, while a puppet show, is still filmed, the puppets are animated with some special effects, it's from Japan and legally watchable subbed on Crunchyroll, so why not?

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Aw come on. It's no different than a claymation movie being listed as an animated feature.

Thunderbolt Fantasy, while a puppet show, is still filmed, the puppets are animated with some special effects, it's from Japan and legally watchable subbed on Crunchyroll, so why not?

Can't a live action show technically have special effects and be available on crunchy roll if it's a Japanese drama?

 

[TUSR]

it's from Japan and legally watchable subbed on Crunchyroll, so why not?

without me saying my stance on this

this is not a good barometer of what should be considered for aoty

 

[Mailbox]

Can't a live action show technically have special effects and be available on crunchy roll if it's a Japanese drama?

Dramas and anime are in different sections on crunchyroll.
Thunderbolt is in the anime section.
(Though I still don't think it should be AOTY)

Btw, that begs the question. When Rwby season 4 starts up, would posting impressions here be fine? (though tbh idk if i'll have the time and energy to watch much this season :/)

 

[Qurupeke]

There's already an abundance of disturbing anime, let's not add creepy puppets to this.

 

[nintendoman58]

Can't a live action show technically have special effects and be available on crunchy roll if it's a Japanese drama?

without me saying my stance on this

this is not a good barometer of what should be considered for aoty

I mean it's not like the show itself had one single live-action human in it. It's not like I'm talking about Crunchyroll's drama shows or a tokusatsu show.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I wouldn't be particularly bothered if it was able to be voted for, but if I had to give my preference I'd give it a special mention as an amazing show that would have ranked high if it was animation. That way it gets a spotlight in the list.

 

[JulianImp]

Can't a live action show technically have special effects and be available on crunchy roll if it's a Japanese drama?

without me saying my stance on this

this is not a good barometer of what should be considered for aoty

Except for the whole part where he said "animation", yeah.

Step-motion generally qualifies as animation, so why would we leave TF out of a Japanese animation poll? I don't know if Aku no Hana got allowed in the AotY voting for the year it came in, but if it did then I would consider Thunderbolt Fantasy an elegible contender as well.

 

[duckroll]

Actually, if I were to be completely honest, Thunderbolt Fantasy does not fall within any reasonable definition of animation. The reason is that it is not a stop motion production. Animation as a process, regardless of the type of animation, is defined by the frame-step nature of the production. There has to be frames of animation for it to be an animation. Thunderbolt Fantasy is a video recording, and falls under live action. It just isn't recording people.

BUT. For the purpose of AOTY, "anime" is defined as "something exceptional and precious enough that the esteemed members of the AnimeGAF thread would deem worthwhile to discuss in some form." So yes, Thunderbolt Fantasy is absolutely anime.

 

[Narag]

Until MAL declares it anime it's a lost cause.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

If anything, Thunderbolt Fantasy needs to be an honorable mention at the end of the list.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

I mean it's not like the show itself had one single live-action human in it. It's not like I'm talking about Crunchyroll's drama shows or a tokusatsu show.

Anime is a pretty lose term for me. I like all forms of animation and my favorite animation style is stop motion. You can add TF to the list but don't expect to not hear criticism about if it wins.

 

[TUSR]

Except for the whole part where he said "animation", yeah.

Step-motion generally qualifies as animation, so why would we leave TF out of a Japanese animation poll? I don't know if Aku no Hana got allowed in the AotY voting for the year it came in, but if it did then I would consider Thunderbolt Fantasy an elegible contender as well.

Except I never said it shouldn't. Just the line I highlighted is irrelevant.

Regardless of metric you want to define it as, its ultimately our community and it was a staple of last season that many of us watched and enjoyed.

Edit: Pretty much what Duckroll said.

Actually, if I were to be completely honest, Thunderbolt Fantasy does not fall within any reasonable definition of animation. The reason is that it is not a stop motion production. Animation as a process, regardless of the type of animation, is defined by the frame-step nature of the production. There has to be frames of animation for it to be an animation. Thunderbolt Fantasy is a video recording, and falls under live action. It just isn't recording people.

BUT. For the purpose of AOTY, "anime" is defined as "something exceptional and precious enough that the esteemed members of the AnimeGAF thread would deem worthwhile to discuss in some form." So yes, Thunderbolt Fantasy is absolutely anime.

 

[Gvitor]

Well, honestly, I would say... who cares? Are you -really- interested in the show because you want to know what Pure Illusion is? Does it matter? Or are you hoping that what Pure Illusion is makes you interested in the show? Because that's backwards. The hook here is garbage. No one cares what Pure Illusion is. Not the characters, probably not the writer, probably not even the director. It's just a "thing". Whatever it is, is probably stupid. The backstory is probably stupid. This isn't a narrative driven show. It's a bunch of animator buddies coming together to fuck around and draw cool shit about fantasy worlds and two girls who are not-lesbians almost getting it on, and a stupid robot that does cute/creepy robot-sidekick things. It's never going to be a substantial plot. It's for people who enjoy visual stuff so we can fap to our own words while we talk about the animation, the direction, the themes, the visual motifs, and how the framing and camera motion enhances the tone. Fap fap fap fap fap.

Sorry, got a bit too honest there.

Well, no, but knowing what it is (as a means to set things up, at the very least) would make everything else more enjoyable, at least to me. As it is, they just mashed a bunch of stuff together without setting anything up and, like you said, told us to fap to it. If y'all can enjoy only the visual and theme stuff, great.

 

[nintendoman58]

I wouldn't be particularly bothered if it was able to be voted for, but if I had to give my preference I'd give it a special mention as an amazing show that would have ranked high if it was animation. That way it gets a spotlight in the list.

Yeah, at the very least, the show deserves a honorable mention.

If anything, Thunderbolt Fantasy needs to be an honorable mention at the end of the list.

Nah, it should be right before the list.

Something like: "Hey, Thunderbolt Fantasy is better than every single one of the shows in this list and you should totally watch it, but without further ado, here's the top ten AOTY!" at the very top of the thread.

 

[Narag]

Anime is a pretty lose term for me. I like all forms of animation and my favorite animation style is stop motion. You can add TF to the list but don't expect to not hear criticism about if it wins.

It's more anime than Korra so that's all that matters.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

It's more anime than Korra so that's all that matters.

Now this makes me wonder, did someone try to add Korra to the AOTY list?

 

[Qurupeke]

Maybe we should have a voting for Not-AOTY. With shows like Thunderbolt Fantasy, Stranger Things and Shin Godzilla, there's already potential there.

 

[Line_HTX]

It's more anime than Korra so that's all that matters.

Yep, way better and it finally has the perfect Sawano OST, probably his "best" work to date because of how it fits with TBF, lol

 

[Jex]

Flip Flappers 01

What the fuck did I just watch?

Is this going to be this season's Rewrite? If they don't explain anything in the next episode I might drop it.

I can only assume you weren't a massive fan of Kyōsōgiga?

 

[Quasar]

Actually, if I were to be completely honest, Thunderbolt Fantasy does not fall within any reasonable definition of animation. The reason is that it is not a stop motion production. Animation as a process, regardless of the type of animation, is defined by the frame-step nature of the production. There has to be frames of animation for it to be an animation. Thunderbolt Fantasy is a video recording, and falls under live action. It just isn't recording people.

BUT. For the purpose of AOTY, "anime" is defined as "something exceptional and precious enough that the esteemed members of the AnimeGAF thread would deem worthwhile to discuss in some form." So yes, Thunderbolt Fantasy is absolutely anime.

Boycott begins here.

 

[Line_HTX]

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to include it in the Top 10 list. I'll put it on an honorable mention at least because it deserves attention.

 

[sonicmj1]

Well, no, but knowing what it is (as a means to set things up, at the very least) would make everything else more enjoyable, at least to me. As it is, they just mashed a bunch of stuff together without setting anything up and, like you said, told us to fap to it. If y'all can enjoy only the visual and theme stuff, great.

Style is substance.

 

[duckroll]

Look, in a year where Shin Godzilla is going to be rigged to win AOTY Movie, why does anyone really care if Thunderbolt Fantasy wins AOTY TV?

 

[Narag]

Look, in a year where Shin Godzilla is going to be rigged to win AOTY Movie, why does anyone really care if Thunderbolt Fantasy wins AOTY TV?

Oh thank god. I can leave the GuP movie until next year now.

 

[Char Aznable]

Fullmetal Alchemist : Brotherhood ep. 5 - 31

I really hate when they force "comedy" in serious moments. Ed's size jokes got boring pretty fast

 

[manfestival]

so what is the hidden gem of this season?

 

[Thoraxes]

Look, in a year where Shin Godzilla is going to be rigged to win AOTY Movie, why does anyone really care if Thunderbolt Fantasy wins AOTY TV?

I can't wait to see firsthand why it's the best in only 20 short hours.

 

[Line_HTX]

so what is the hidden gem of this season?

Yuri on Ice. Maybe March Lions.

SMOrc

 

[phaze]

so what is the hidden gem of this season?

To be Hero

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

so what is the hidden gem of this season?

To Be Hero.

 

[Hellwarden]

In sad industry news, we lost some truly talented people early this week.

Michiyuki Kawashima, singer for Boom Boom Satellites (Kiznaiver, Appleseed) passed at the age of 47.

Kazunari Tanaka, industry voice actor, (Haikyu!!, Code Geass, Gintama) passed at the age of 49.

RIP.

 

[Turin Turambar]

I can only assume you weren't a massive fan of Kyōsōgiga?

I liked kyosogiga (at least the beginning, the ending didn't convince me) and I didn't like Flip Flappers. I can see the comparison but the execution is different.

 

[Yonafunu]

In sad industry news, we lost some truly talented people early this week.

Michiyuki Kawashima, singer for Boom Boom Satellites (Kiznaiver, Appleseed) passed at the age of 47.

Kazunari Tanaka, industry voice actor, (Haikyu!!, Code Geass, Gintama) passed at the age of 49.

RIP.

Oh my god, this is terrible.

Fuck.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Getsuyoubi no Tawawa 01

cant fucking believe they made a short anime series about a twitter artist's (strangestone) art when all he does is draw busty girls in tight clothing.

still better then occult:nine tho.

 

[duckroll]

In sad industry news, we lost some truly talented people early this week.

Michiyuki Kawashima, singer for Boom Boom Satellites (Kiznaiver, Appleseed) passed at the age of 47.

Kazunari Tanaka, industry voice actor, (Haikyu!!, Code Geass, Gintama) passed at the age of 49.

RIP.

Fuuuuuuuuuck. T_T

 

[PdotMichael]

Getsuyoubi no Tawawa 01

cant fucking believe they made a short anime series about a twitter artist's (strangestone) art when all he does is draw busty girls in tight clothing.

still better then occult:nine tho.

His Ushio works were masterpieces.

 

[TUSR]

In sad industry news, we lost some truly talented people early this week.

Michiyuki Kawashima, singer for Boom Boom Satellites (Kiznaiver, Appleseed) passed at the age of 47.

Kazunari Tanaka, industry voice actor, (Haikyu!!, Code Geass, Gintama) passed at the age of 49.

RIP.

I remember hearing about Kawashima's health issues a couple months ago.

Damn...

 

[phoenix296]

Aikatsu Stars 21-22

Finally catching up. AiStars really is turning into a mahou shoujo. Yume is about to unlock her powers to shake the entire Aikatsu world. It's great to see the friendly rivalry between Yume and Laura that isn't really present in the original series. How has Koharu still not debuted? She gets a decent amount of screen time but she is really underutilized. I didn't think it was possible but headmaster-chan is beating out Mizuki as the worst Aikatsu character.