AVATAR surpasses Titanic to become the highest-grossing movie OF ALL TIME
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Thagomizer
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GhaleonEB said:
Care to elaborate?
(The attack force getting owned was due to a combined assault from literally every living thing in the area. Before the goddess or whatever got involved, the na'vi were pretty much toast.
Eh. It should be taken to the other, non-box office Avatar thread.Thagomizer said:
But short version: if you're really going to equate the two situations, I can't help you. All I can do is laugh.
Wasn't there a story a few weeks ago about Avatar getting an extension of its 3D and IMAX run on a big chunk of theaters, even after Alice opens?jett said:You should watch Avatar some time, Kagari.Even Phoenix Dark is going to, maybe he already has.
It'll easily reach 2 billion by the week's end.
2 billion.
2 billion. And worldwide grosses aren't slowing down at all. If it wasn't for Alice In Wonderland I really wouldn't be able to say when is the madness going to stop.
This is the dumbest discussion on Avatar in a while. Let me give it a shot!
RDA actually was already mining the Hallelujah mountains. The operation was just a little out of frame (always to the left) of every single shot of Jake and friends in the mountains. The mining technique was to chip away at the underside on giant scaffolding and stuff the Unobtainium into thousands of balloons. They then float away with these Unoballoons tied to the scaffolding Up-style and are collected in the stratosphere by RDA shuttles or plummet to the ground, whichever happens first. They didn't take part in the battle because this mining venture was too damn profitable, and they thought Quaritch was a dick, too.
RDA actually was already mining the Hallelujah mountains. The operation was just a little out of frame (always to the left) of every single shot of Jake and friends in the mountains. The mining technique was to chip away at the underside on giant scaffolding and stuff the Unobtainium into thousands of balloons. They then float away with these Unoballoons tied to the scaffolding Up-style and are collected in the stratosphere by RDA shuttles or plummet to the ground, whichever happens first. They didn't take part in the battle because this mining venture was too damn profitable, and they thought Quaritch was a dick, too.
Gary Whitta
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It's reviewing really well though, interest will probably go up as people see that it's getting good critical response. My guess is that it will be close but Avatar will probably squeak out yet another #1 week. It will probably get a small bump from all the coverage this week about it becoming the all-time #1 movie; the whole thing is just self-perpetuating at this point :lolSharp said:
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Gary Whitta said:
I actually think Cameron deserves best director. In my opinion, the criticisms of Avatar's script are almost a boon to Cameron's directing considering how popular the movie is. And I'm not being glib; James Cameron is a brilliant visual storyteller. So much so, that the specifics of his scripts don't really matter as long as the basic story is solid because he tells it so well. Moreover, he seems to have mastered 3D cinematography even though the sub-medium is still in its infancy.
Btw, talking about ticket sales does not make you an Avatar hater. I liked the movie a lot and I want to see it a second time before it leaves theaters, but tickets sold is relevant from a business perspective. No one's trying to 'dethrone' Avatar by saying that other movies had larger theater audiences, that's just a fact that's worth considering when discussing the film industry. People can be impressed by Avatar's amazing financial success while still taking into consideration the actual customer base for Hollywood films. There's no reason why we can't discuss both.
I haven't seen any confirmation on it yet, but ya reports came out that theaters resigned avatars contract by 10 weeks for 3d screens. Now that's not all 3d screens, but alice will probably get 300-400 screens less than it would have so theaters can keep avatar going as it'll be more profit for them at that point (theaters get more per ticket the longer a film runs).GhaleonEB said:
I assume when the dragon film hits it will mainly take screens from Alice, but we shall see. Regarding IMAX i heard they also resigned their contract and will show both films (probably avatar at night).
Gary Whitta
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Yeah, I'm saying he gets best director but best picture goes to Hurt Locker or Up In The Air. That's my guess anyway. What the fuck do I know?kame-sennin said:
Anticitizen One
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Kunan said:
yea im a hater. Thats why I think Terminator 1-2, True Lies, and Aliens are some of the greatest films of all time. Thats why I saw Avatar in theathers opening day. Look Avatar is an OK film but it is definetly not up to par with Cameron's earlier work, the script is extremly predictable, and their really isn't anything new in the concept or imagery that we haven't seen a thousand times in The Matrix, Final Fantasy series, Aliens, Pocahantas, Dancing with Wolves, Star Wars, Halo, etc. It didn't bring much new to the table other than pushing CGI foward and making 3D movies viable. I liked the film but it's not at the same level as Jurassic Park, Empire Strikes Back, T2, The Dark Knight, etc. You all know this but your just gonna keep saying "ZOMG it was phenomenal" for God knows what reason.
I can pretty much guarantee you that every available digital screen that isn't 3D ready is being upconverted as we speak, and if I had to guess I'd say theaters are taking advantage of the time offered by the weak January/February movie slate and their 2009/Avatar profits to convert more of their screens to digital as well. By the end of the year, I imagine there will be probably 50-100% more 3D-ready screens available, enough to handle the inevitable onslaught of releases next year.Somnia said:
Oh, I'm sure it will be a great movie, but unless a movie gets really bad reviews it seems like they don't affect the box office to a great extent a lot of the time, and though they might be a sign of great word of mouth that usually doesn't help the opening weekend too much. We'll see, though.Gary Whitta said:
SCULLIBUNDO
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It was already funny when other studios stayed away from Cameron's release date this time around. After this fucking onslaught I can't wait to see the studios shuffle out of the way once the AVATAR 2 release date is announced.
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Enosh said:
Ugh, you need to get with the times. Comments like this just make you look so arrogant.
So why shouldn't AVATAR win best picture at the Oscars? Because it's mainstream....because it's popular? Well guess what, a good movie is a good movie even if it is mainstream and popular.
AVATAR may not have an Oscar worthy script, but guess what? It has incredible visual effects amongst other great things.....does that not count for anything to you? Look at the bigger picture.
I'm so sick of people thinking that the more serious, routine movies deserve an Oscar over big blockbusters......no matter how good they are. Your mind set on the matter is completely wrong.
By the way AVATAR is more than likely gonna take home best picture at the Oscars, it's the movie to beat at the moment. And I can't wait to see all the meltdowns if it does! It'll be so fun! :lol
I'd say:Weaxpn said:
The screenplay is good. The special effects are fantastic. The resulting film is great.
The film was a bit derivative and some lines were cheesy, but I'm still of the mind that the story was quite good and engaging. In the end, it was probably the best cinematic experience I've ever had, though I don't think it deserves Best Picture or anything.
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Can't wait 'til Dark Knight 2 and the new Star Wars movie Lucas swears won't happen overtake Avatar to become the "highest grossing movies OF ALL TIME." Why is it that not adjusting for inflation makes every new blockbuster a news story? Gone With The Wind would have made over a billion domestic if it came out now.
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Aristotlekh said:
:lol
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I still don't have much interest in it. I'll probably wait for the DVD and rent it. (I might even spring for the extra $2 on netflix so I can get the bluray)
Cool. I saw it for the 2nd time a few days ago so I might have been the one who pushed it over the top.
It totally deserves the top spot just for bringing so much new life to cinema. We needed something like this.
But I don't think Avatar will have as much lasting appeal and rewatchability as say, Terminator 2 or Aliens, just because there are parts of the movie where I almost have to hide my face in my hands because the dialogue is so cringeworthy.
Though I guess it will be a while before someone creates a movie that even comes close visually.
It totally deserves the top spot just for bringing so much new life to cinema. We needed something like this.
But I don't think Avatar will have as much lasting appeal and rewatchability as say, Terminator 2 or Aliens, just because there are parts of the movie where I almost have to hide my face in my hands because the dialogue is so cringeworthy.
Though I guess it will be a while before someone creates a movie that even comes close visually.
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Except no.Aristotlekh said:
1. TDK 2 won't beat Avatar. I'M ON THE COUCH.
2. Bragging about a sequel outgrossing a stand alone film is just as stupid as disregarding inflation. Avatar 2 will become more powerful than either of us.
ShinobiFist
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I hate people use that inflation bs for films. We live in times were bootleging and the internet plays a major role in hurting the industry, something films in the past didn't have to deal with. There's far more forms of entertainment nowadays compared to the dark ages(Gone With The Wind)So for Avatar to pull in that much money is rather amazing.Anticitizen One said:
First of all, TDK 2? :lol
Second, all of you whiny bitches better start shutting up. So what if Avatar was the highest grossing film of all time? Is that going to change your perception of other movies? Does this automatically make Avatar superior to every movie ever made? No!
Now I'm a well known The Dark Knight fan boy, you can ask anybody here about that and they'll be like "Wrath2X, yeah that guy rides Nolan and Bale nonstop". And yet I'm not complaining about how The Dark Knight is now the third highest grossing movie domestically and the fifth internationally. Because when it comes to the movie itself that never matters.
Anyway, I'm pretty fucking glad this movie is a success. Now nobody will question Cameron and anyone who does is automatically called an idiot. I just wish he doesn't take too long to come back with another movie, I hope we get the R-rated Battle Angel soon.
And if he wanted to do another anime/manga adaption I would love to see how he does Akira.
Second, all of you whiny bitches better start shutting up. So what if Avatar was the highest grossing film of all time? Is that going to change your perception of other movies? Does this automatically make Avatar superior to every movie ever made? No!
Now I'm a well known The Dark Knight fan boy, you can ask anybody here about that and they'll be like "Wrath2X, yeah that guy rides Nolan and Bale nonstop". And yet I'm not complaining about how The Dark Knight is now the third highest grossing movie domestically and the fifth internationally. Because when it comes to the movie itself that never matters.
Anyway, I'm pretty fucking glad this movie is a success. Now nobody will question Cameron and anyone who does is automatically called an idiot. I just wish he doesn't take too long to come back with another movie, I hope we get the R-rated Battle Angel soon.
And if he wanted to do another anime/manga adaption I would love to see how he does Akira.
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Saw this in the comments section of The Guardian's article (on James Cameron beating James Cameron):
Would this be correct?
Would this be correct?
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Pretty fucking impressive, if not all that surprising. I doubt it would have done nearly as well if it didn't change 3D for films (according to most people - I saw it in 2D. 
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I don't get the rage over this by some people. It's not the best film ever by any stretch, but do you really expect any film that isn't a gigantic CGI blockbuster to get these numbers?
)I don't get the rage over this by some people. It's not the best film ever by any stretch, but do you really expect any film that isn't a gigantic CGI blockbuster to get these numbers?
Gary Whitta said:
That's also what I've been saying for quite a while (including the wtf do i know part lol). However, now that it has won the globes, I'm not so sure. Still, if best picture doesn't go to Avatar, I hope it goes to Hurt Locker (or the Basterds, but that one would sooner win director's). I saw it... half an year ago or more, it came out so long ago in Europe... and I felt that it was great though it had ... something... missing. Still better than Up in the Air, though.
Aristotlekh said:
:lol
If you think either of these are going to beat Avatar (or that the latter is even going to happen), you are in for a disappointment.
Count Dookkake said:
Watch out, we dont need irfan busting out the grand total of records TDK has.
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You like Caesar. I think its safe to say the problem is in your hands, my man.
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ShinobiFist said:
True, but these different circumstances make comparing the two even less meaningful, rather than forming any sort of defense of not correcting for inflation. All you can say is that a film released in this day and age hitting the top-30 (and almost certainly top-20) of all time when adjusting for inflation, and having to compete with films that come out at a time when people had far fewer entertainment options, is an incredible feat.
Avatar-fans are too defensive about this. Of course it's an incredible achievement. No-one is able to deny this (and few were able to predict it). Heck, I actually prefer it to Gone With The Wind (which may be one of the most overrated films ever made), although obviously there are countless films I like more, several of which made less in their entire domestic runs than Avatar did last weekend. It's just a fun horse race to watch. Let's not attribute too much meaning to it.
The simple truth is that, when adjusting for inflation, Avatar is not quite the most succesful film of all time (yet). It'll be interesting to see where it ends up, though. As it is, it's still #1 and will be in theaters for quite some time.
Tim the Wiz said:
If it is, then in terms of worldwide grosses, Gone With The Wind didn't do that much better than Titanic, when adjusting for inflation. Titanic doubled its domestic take worldwide. Just a quick estimation: I think Titanic would be at around 2.8 bln in today's dollars.
No... adjusting international tickets for inflation is very difficult for a lot of reasons (different exchange rates, different ticket prices, local currency issues, the need to adjust for rereleases) and BOM doesn't track the international BO well enough to be able to take that into account; in fact, when GWTW came out, pretty much nobody did. A lot of countries at the time didn't even track admissions or sales directly at all--their numbers on BOM are generally extrapolated from rental information and so on. For all intents and purposes, therefore, it's kind of useless to try to "adjust" for a movie like GWTW worldwide, but from everything I've heard Titanic is probably past it in terms of admissions, and Avatar has a good chance of doing the same.Tim the Wiz said:
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I didn't think it would ever happen TBH, especially this movie... and having seen it... yeah I'm even more puzzled. I'm not sure which movie I'd prefer at the top though between the two. Maybe I'll flip a coin for it.
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