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Avengers: Age of Ultron | Production Thread
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Anything but!
Goddamn. Exciting stuff.
Oh man he would be perfect!!@!@?
ratcliffja
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You have no idea how much I want this to be true. He was awesome in 42 and I love the character.
ratcliffja
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He's got friends on the other side? Yeah I think the shadow man would make a great Thanos.
Katee Sackhoff gave that same smile when someone asked her about Captain Marvel recently. That's what passes for a poker face in Hollywood?
Rastafarian42
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YESSS.....
Jeez just call this movie the avengers already.
TheGreatDirector
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Hehehe...
I really am interested in the length of this film. Having a large amount of time may allow the film to balance out all the characters. I can see some characters only partially showing up in the film for plot devices and others being there for the majority of the time.
If Watchmen can be 3 hours long, then this can, too.
I don't seriously expect it to be 3 hours but I really want it to be
TacticalFox88
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Chezzymann
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I wonder (if it is true) that people will be complaining about it being racist how a black dude is playing black panther. Maybe in the movie they'll just cal him "panther" as a code name or whatever.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Isn't Black Panther an actual title in Wakanda, not just a superhero name?
ratcliffja
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I think they're fine calling him black panther, as it's the actual name of an animal. I think maybe they could say his name in his native tongue, and he can explains that it means "black panther".
Is it like Black Belt? Is there a Purple and Brown Panther?
Brown Panther sounds even more racist!
Pai Pai Master
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The Black Panther is the spiritual and political leader of Wakanda, yes. T'Challa didn't come up with that name for his superhero persona, he inherited the title from his father T'Chaka who was Black Panther before him.
The name of the character also predates the Black Panther organization.
In Wakanda anyone can be Black Panther, you either are pointed it by the current one or you beat the current one in battle.
This is why it's going to be Tony who creates Ultron. Picking up where Iron Man 3 left off, it makes perfect sense for him to be working on better AI.
Not being in the suit is going to backfire in a big way.
Nope, not Tony. If you've seen Captain America 2,
Arnim Zola's Project Insight AI algorithm is the perfect candidate for Ultron.
However I can see Ultron using one of Tony's Iron Man suits as a body, as well as corrupting JARVIS, becoming the Vision.
Maybe something the Chitarui network router left on the internet before it got disconnected?
Kaneda Shotaro
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I know this was brought up earlier but I'm betting Witch and Vision take down Ultron and then a new Avengers team is formed without Stark (and maybe a couple of others who follow him).
You know, hearing how they planned Ant-Man way back during Iron Man 1 and how important Ant-Man is to phase 3 makes me wonder why they never mentioned Pym as (most likely) Tony's dad's friend or partner. I know it was probably because they never cast Pym so no pictures of him but no mention of the name once in Phase 1 or 2? Seems weird.
You know, hearing how they planned Ant-Man way back during Iron Man 1 and how important Ant-Man is to phase 3 makes me wonder why they never mentioned Pym as (most likely) Tony's dad's friend or partner. I know it was probably because they never cast Pym so no pictures of him but no mention of the name once in Phase 1 or 2? Seems weird.
What if it's one of Samantha's friends from Her? Scarlett Johansson is in this so it all makes sense!
Alcoremortis
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I honestly think Whedon would shy away from using anything referenced in the other movies. I think he's stated several times that he wants the Avengers movies to be as stand alone as possible. Big things, like SHIELD being gone, he'll probably use. Little things, like casual non-plot related references, sure. But making the major villain completely related to a plot point from another movie? I don't think so.
I really think that he'll make it something that an audience that only watched Avengers 1 would be able to understand.
Nope. Not a chance. I'd bet the farm against that theory. It's going to be Tony.
Callibretto
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er, Loki is the villain in Avengers 1 and he's introduced in Thor.
And the Tesseract comes from the first Cap film.
It's more dramatically interesting to have one of the Avengers be the cause of the dilemma.
The opening scene is Jarvis being catfish'd by Zola pretending to be Scarlett Johannson as Siri.
Jorok Goldblade
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Both debuted in the same year (1966,) but T'Challa apperaed in comics in July and the organization didn't form until October.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_(comics)
Alcoremortis
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Adding Zola's algorithm is a totally different kettle of fish. People who didn't watch Cap 2 wouldn't immediately get the reference. With Loki, anyone knows the bare minimum of Norse mythology would immediately get that Loki is a bad guy and not to be trusted. You don't need to have watched Thor to get that. With the tesseract, it's a macguffin. They don't really need an explanation for it other than "really powerful alien artifact". It's a reused trope and doesn't require a movie to explain. You didn't need to watch Cap 1 to understand that.
Zola's algorithm requires two movies to explain. You need to know who Zola is from Cap 1 and you need to know about Project Insight from Cap 2. These aren't things the average viewer would get right away, and explaining them again in the movie would likely frustrate the fans who already knew what the deal is.
I think it's going to be completely separate, maybe with a few references that don't really affect the plot. I could see someone saying they modeled something after Zola's algorithm as a throwaway technobabble line, the same way they referenced Erskine's original formula in Avengers 1. Some way that doesn't require an explanation of who he is or why we care.
Zola's algorithm requires two movies to explain. You need to know who Zola is from Cap 1 and you need to know about Project Insight from Cap 2. These aren't things the average viewer would get right away, and explaining them again in the movie would likely frustrate the fans who already knew what the deal is.
I think it's going to be completely separate, maybe with a few references that don't really affect the plot. I could see someone saying they modeled something after Zola's algorithm as a throwaway technobabble line, the same way they referenced Erskine's original formula in Avengers 1. Some way that doesn't require an explanation of who he is or why we care.
The Elite
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Ultron is Scarlett Johansson.
DonasaurusRex
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yeah but he was basically..the black panther party, wakanda the ghettos being terrorized by police oppression. predates the official but those dudes were out there doing their thing before the comic and definitely made themselves known.
Black Widow is an Avenger.
Everyone should watch Her!
She's been real busy at that D.C. Apple Store!
Exactly. I don't see Whedon throwing that away.
Jorok Goldblade
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All you really need is Cap an Black Widow to brief the other Avengers on it in two or three lines of dialogue.
Alcoremortis
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And given Ruffalo's been said to have a bigger part in this movie, I'm pretty sure Banner's going to have something to do with it. I mean, he also has a record of trying to create one thing and ending up building something waaaay more powerful and also destructive. Building Ultron fits with his MO.
If Tony built Ultron, the thing would actually work as intended.
It still surprises me when I watch the Ultron anouncement. Has there ever been an interview with Feige or someone else where they state Ultron before Thanos was always the plan? With GotG before Ultron amd Ant Man after it just seems so out of the blue. Not that I mind it but since Marvel planned the avengers so great during phase one it just still seems like a left field anouncement.
Pai Pai Master
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People asked about Thanos after the Age of Ultron announcement and Feige mostly indicated that the plan was to have Thanos show up as the background threat to reveal himself to the Avengers later on - I think he said something like "you don't go straight into Thanos, he's too big of a deal."
Here's a quote from after Avengers came out and people were talking about the Thanos reveal itself:
Broken Joystick
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I'm not really bothered one way or the other, of course, it would be the logical assumption that Tony Stark would be the one who creates a robot that eventually is corrupted with an evil AI or whatever, he also knows (some?) SHIELD secrets when he looked through their database in Avengers 1.
Maybe it's both Banner and Stark? They obviously go off together at the end of Avengers, IM3 sees them together, maybe they're buddying up and they put their minds together to try and create something that would defend the world when the Avengers are busy/dead/whatever. Some shit happens, there's conflict between Tony and Banner which leads into the Hulkbuster and Hulk fight?
Maybe it's both Banner and Stark? They obviously go off together at the end of Avengers, IM3 sees them together, maybe they're buddying up and they put their minds together to try and create something that would defend the world when the Avengers are busy/dead/whatever. Some shit happens, there's conflict between Tony and Banner which leads into the Hulkbuster and Hulk fight?
I can't imagine they were ever going to go straight to Thanos for the sequel. Why play your biggest card that early?
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah I don't think it's just a coincidence that they sent Tony and Banner off together at the end of the movie. That talk they had on the helicarrier probably has some hints that we won't see coming until Avengers 2. They also made a point to show that they were still hanging out in Iron Man 3. There's gotta be some thing big they were working on.
TDLink
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Probably not. The problem with the first one was that it was just called "The Avengers", same as the british TV series. This one doesn't have "The" in the title. Just "Avengers: Age of Ultron," so it's probably ok.
Maybe, just maybe:
Banner and Stark start all this A.I thing but then Tony realizes it's going too far but Bruce wants to keep going and then the Hulkbuster fight takes place. After everything is over Bruce gets kicked off the Avengers and he gets tricked into thinking that he's going in a space mission and then BOOM, Planet Hulk.
One can dream.
Banner and Stark start all this A.I thing but then Tony realizes it's going too far but Bruce wants to keep going and then the Hulkbuster fight takes place. After everything is over Bruce gets kicked off the Avengers and he gets tricked into thinking that he's going in a space mission and then BOOM, Planet Hulk.
One can dream.
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I could be wrong but I think that was a UK only thing and wasn't the title for continental Europe.
Jorok Goldblade
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I could see Ultron being a Stark or Banner project, and the Zola program corrupts it. That would create a tie-in for Strucker while keeping the idea of Ultron being built for good but turning evil.
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