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Avengers: Age of Ultron | Production Thread
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I thought it was because Shane Black is a terrible writer.
But you hit the nail on the head, Iron Man's villains being mostly lame has nothing to do with the MCU and everything to do with the fact most of Iron Man's rouges gallery is in fact lame.
Sadly the best villains are tied up in non MCU franchises like FF4, X-Men and Spiderman
sol_bad
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Please explain what these two plot points are that go no where.
So your beef is an enhanced human should never be stronger than Mark 7?
The Mandarin was one of Iron Man's iconic villains, and granted that's not saying a whole lot. But they made him first into some random terrorist and then ... oh actually I'm just an actor. ???
So it seems like they really wasted that IP.
You say alien army like it means something. They were no different than any other generic set of mooks just with a different skin and terrible driving skills.
Has there been any shots of Vision yet outside of his back on the poster? Looking forward to see if they are doing facial cap on Bettany or a full costume.
thecouncil
Banned
I believe the 'All Hail the King' short retconned that whole situation.
Actually, I'm pretty disappointed that Marvel went this route to placate the fanboys.
The Elite
BOSS
I love that people felt robbed by this, I thought it was great.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
The twist itself is fine, the rest of the movie just suffers for having a shit "real" villain to fall back on.
It's not really a retcon, there was always a "real Mandarin" in the movies. The terrorists in the first one were clearly taking their orders from a Mandarin-type boss.
I wouldn't even call it a retcon, as it's never really implied the Mandarin doesn't exist. We are just left to assume so.
Mighty Chin
Banned
It's not a retcon it's an evolving storyline.
I liked it too (probably the only one-shot I've actually enjoyed), but I have to wonder what/when exactly they're seeding it for? It's gonna be a long while until the next Iron Man movie, seems kind of early to (re)set-up the Mandarin now.
Iron Man 4 maybe? There was a well recived Storyline by Matt Fraction, where the Daughters of Justin Hammer worked together with the Mandarin... I feel that we will somet kind of adaption of this.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I did love the Kingsly twist and like Hail to the King even more.
Agreed the problem was what happened after the twist. I wish rather than trying to turn Killian into a quickly thrown together supervillian, AIM would have been revealed as a vast worldwide organization truer to the comics, leaving Tony with the knowledge that he has essentially an evil mirror of his own operation gunning for him from now on.
I still hope AIM comes back and is revealed to have kept operating after Killian died.
Agreed the problem was what happened after the twist. I wish rather than trying to turn Killian into a quickly thrown together supervillian, AIM would have been revealed as a vast worldwide organization truer to the comics, leaving Tony with the knowledge that he has essentially an evil mirror of his own operation gunning for him from now on.
I still hope AIM comes back and is revealed to have kept operating after Killian died.
I hope he doesn't act like that in avengers 2 and onward.
BobTheFork
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Give me Sam Rockwell (justin Hammer) turning into Red Hulk vs Iron man and I'd watch no matter how terrible it would be.
ReplacementPelican
Member
I considered it to be, at some point it sort of branched-out into adaptations like Dredd, Hellboy and even Persepolis and A History of Violence.
Alcoremortis
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Considering he's rumored to (potential spoilers for AoU)
build Ultron
Why would Justin Hammer turn into Red Hulk
But are these based on comic books?
I never had a problem with it. I thought it was funny.
It would've been cool if Kingsley was the REAL Mandarin though. He played the part really well.
It's a facial cap.
What do you mean by full costume?
George Oscar Bluth II
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Probably means a real practical costume, not CG or anything.
ReplacementPelican
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Graphic novels, I think. It's just an excuse for me to buy more movies.
#1 defender
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Yes, they are. I don't get though why you would buy every superhero/comic book film out there, why not just stick to the good ones?
Graphic novels are comics.
His PTSD, the kid.
And yes, I get that there's some misguided sense of character development in both, but since neither were meaningfully resolved, it came off as entirely pointless.
No, I think no mook should be able to tear through a hundred of them when Ultron and Thanos are likely to be challenged by him.
And you can say "old models" or "Tony was tired and the workmanship was shoddy", but neither statement are supported by the movie at all. It's fanwanking.
sankt-Antonio
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I always thought that extremis is Ironmans latest biological armor. Never new it was just some drug.
Mighty Chin
Banned
It wasn't just one Mook
Mighty Chin
Banned
Yup, why not have one of them patrolling the airspace outside.
See I can find fault with Marvel Movies.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
You....you're not alone on that, I thought exactly the same thing tbh :O
Face it Tiger..
Banned
It was both.
Extremis gave tony the ability to store a biological armor in his body.
made him a cyborg.
Yeah I was just wondering if they were going the hulk route or a practical costume.
He's arrogant to a fault. It's a pretty big part of his character. I mean he probably didn't think anyone would be stupid to attack Iron Man straight on, it didn't exactly work for the last guy.
Wheeljack539
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This is pretty much how I took it. If Pepper had a decent grasp of how often he normally updated each Mark version than we see how he vastly outpaced what she expected (on Mark 42 and she guess somewhere around Mark 14).
Not to mention the complexity with each new prototype that came out, it was unsurprising that he was having issues with the Mark 42 with each part needed to have its own power component and mode of transport built into it. One or more piece out of alignment and it throws the rest off.
Because I want to see all the super hero movies myself and see which of them I find good.
Btw I'm halfway through the first Iron Man movie and oh am I reminded how good it is. Next up will be a first view of The Incredible Hulk.
DarkJediKnight
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Iron Man 2 had Sam Rockwell = 5000000x better than 3. I can tolerate 2, but 3 is a whole another pile of crap.
It's in Community.
Ah, I see what you mean. Like how Ruffalo's face was capped for the Hulk.
I'm not sure...all I know is that it will look like Bettany lol.
#1 defender
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It's just that there is a massive amount of them by now and a lot are bad or mediocre. You could rent or watch them on Netflix first and then just buy the ones you really liked, but fair enough. I guess you can always sell the ones you don't enjoy.
No, I won't sell them. This is called collecting dude.
His PTSD is tied to his over-reliance on the suit especially after the traumatic bomb scene in Avengers. This is addressed when the kid asked him about mechanics fixing things, reminding him that his greatest weapon is his ingenuity. He eventually resolved his issues without being in the suit the whole time. It is great character growth and in line with the better reconstruct storylines in the comics.
That's your issue, not MCU's.
Extremis is badass, in both comics and movie.
Oh Iron Man 3...
I hope the real Mandarin is the true villain in IM4, if Robert Downey does indeed come back for it. If he is, I also hope if he isn't one dimensional.
I think someone hit the nail on the head about the most disappointing aspect to the big bad's reveal in IM3 was that it was yet another corporate scum bag (aka the typical anglo pulling the strings of the generic terrorist), and the wasted potential of the Ten Rings easter egg in IM1.
The other part that bugged me is the convenient quick montage of closure at the end where everything is neatly wrapped up in a nice bow in a few minutes (from Pepper's miraculous cure to Tony finding a fix for the shrapnel, a big plot point since IM1). Not to say that I don't believe he deserves a happy ending (he does), but it felt rushed, lacked impact, and could have possibly contributed more to the story than focusing on a random small town boy keeping pet Tony hidden in his garage like so much E.T.
That said, I'm interested to see what brings Tony back into the danger zone or if he creates Ultron out of boredom since his life is so peachy now.
I hope the real Mandarin is the true villain in IM4, if Robert Downey does indeed come back for it. If he is, I also hope if he isn't one dimensional.
I think someone hit the nail on the head about the most disappointing aspect to the big bad's reveal in IM3 was that it was yet another corporate scum bag (aka the typical anglo pulling the strings of the generic terrorist), and the wasted potential of the Ten Rings easter egg in IM1.
The other part that bugged me is the convenient quick montage of closure at the end where everything is neatly wrapped up in a nice bow in a few minutes (from Pepper's miraculous cure to Tony finding a fix for the shrapnel, a big plot point since IM1). Not to say that I don't believe he deserves a happy ending (he does), but it felt rushed, lacked impact, and could have possibly contributed more to the story than focusing on a random small town boy keeping pet Tony hidden in his garage like so much E.T.
That said, I'm interested to see what brings Tony back into the danger zone or if he creates Ultron out of boredom since his life is so peachy now.
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