Insane Metal
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This couldn't run at 60fps? What the hell?
Avowed - 30 minutes of uncut footage in 4K/60
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This couldn't run at 60fps? What the hell?
hououinkyouma00
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Doesn't look great to me.
I really don't like the art style, but I can't quite put my finger on exactly why.
I'm also just not a WRPG kind of guy which is probably why the actual gameplay looks bad to me.
Hopefully it's good for the people that are excited for it.
I really don't like the art style, but I can't quite put my finger on exactly why.
I'm also just not a WRPG kind of guy which is probably why the actual gameplay looks bad to me.
Hopefully it's good for the people that are excited for it.
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Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
People graphics whoring when it's an RPG, if looks are good/serviceable, but story/mechanics/progression/choice are amazing, that's what's important in a RPG.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
After Hellblade 2, I don't think I can handle another game walking this slow. Plus it looks like it's a dorkier RPG than the ones I like. Think I'll pass.
Pop
Member
One console is. And its holding back the games performance
This game would have been better being a randomly generated endless dungeon crawler. Or at least have a mode like that
Honestly it doesn't look great or bad, its just middle ground. To me it looks like a game developed with Gamepass in mind. As long as the story and adventure holds up, it really shouldn't matter how it looks for most people. The studio has a pretty positive reputation at least. Just like Hellblade 2 was really short, I would expect sacrifices for this title, to make it fit the gamepass model, considering that is where most people are going to play it.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Looks incredibly mediocre. Only as a VR game could be ok.
Hugare
Member
That is the default HUD and how the game was designed around for. Also how they chose to showcase the game. So its fair to judge by how I see it.The HUD is customizable and you can disable almost all of the things there if you want.
They probably have everything enabled for floor demo purposes.
Being able to turn stuff off is great, but some games arent designed to support turning HUD elements off. Not saying that this is the case here, but we cant say for sure if this isnt the case either.
They've shown it in that perspective. Just Google that up
semiconscious
Member
which's exactly like outer worlds. like it's all going through motions, while happening in a vacuum...
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
When it comes to RPG, I only play WRPG.
I dont like the art style either. I cant pinpoint it either. It's got a bright cartoony look to it, but in slightly realistic way so it's not over the top cartoony like a mobile game, and not browns/grey like a Skyrim. And all the HUD and energy bars and numbers everywhere makes it look like a UBI game.
Gameplay has very standard looking hack and slash melee, plus strafing spellcasting attacks which makes it serviceable, but predictable. The swordplay has an odd stutter to it. I dont expect knights or warriors to slash swords at lightspeed like a ninja, but there's something clunky about how it looks when swinging. And watching the videos, many of those super sword jabs dont even look like they connect like there's bad hit detection.
I also dont like adventure/RPGs where they combine classic medieval settings with swords and spells with...... guns.
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existensmaximum
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In addition to everything else that's been said here, animations look quite cheap/dated/poor overall.
existensmaximum
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Yes! They could just make it an old-school text adventure, graphics are 100% irrelevant in an RPG.
Darkness_Arises
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James Sawyer Ford
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Non existent melee gameplay
Enemies that are hardly reactive
Garish looking intrusive UI
Level design with no craftsmanship
Wooden, stilted NPC animations and performances with ridiculous art style
No. This looks downright bad
Enemies that are hardly reactive
Garish looking intrusive UI
Level design with no craftsmanship
Wooden, stilted NPC animations and performances with ridiculous art style
No. This looks downright bad
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yep. There are plenty of successful games with below-par graphics, but people love them because of their combat.
For Avowed, I cut a .gif of its melee combat from the other 31-minute video. Take a look:
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I wonder how this jump looks like in 3rd person, with the floaty feel and both arms out, even holding the sword and the book. So unnatural.
Perhaps that's why Obsidian still has not shown anything in 3rd person mode yet. The animations would be extremely weird.
Perhaps that's why Obsidian still has not shown anything in 3rd person mode yet. The animations would be extremely weird.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They've shown little bit of third person game play at the summer showcase. It looked kinda like using a third person mode in a TES / Fallout game. I won't be using it.
Fess
Member
This looks like Obsidian's version of Skyrim, which is one of my all time favorites.
But this footage doesn't get me all that excited. Looks good but not spectacular.
It's the little things.
1. combat looks like Skyrim which came out in 2011, I love Skyrim but it's 2024 now.
2. conversations still look badly lip synced.
3. monsters don't look gruesome enough.
4. for a UE5 game it looks too clean and even with Creation Engine Starfield looks better and more lived-in with the clutter.
5. grass fade out in-front of the character when crouching, 13:00
6. magic and fire effects looks a decade old, series of blobs of smoke and fire that goes away too quickly.
7. quest progression puzzles seems too basic, like burning spider web door at 12:00.
8. icons in the middle of the screen, annoying and simplifies exploration.
9. Companion: "That must have opened something" "Pull the lever over there"
10. Static water and no splashes even in fights 11:00
They have lots of work to do to climb above 80. But I greatly appreciate this much uncut footage half a year before the release. This is how it should be done. They just need to listen to criticism and do something about it now.
But this footage doesn't get me all that excited. Looks good but not spectacular.
It's the little things.
1. combat looks like Skyrim which came out in 2011, I love Skyrim but it's 2024 now.
2. conversations still look badly lip synced.
3. monsters don't look gruesome enough.
4. for a UE5 game it looks too clean and even with Creation Engine Starfield looks better and more lived-in with the clutter.
5. grass fade out in-front of the character when crouching, 13:00
6. magic and fire effects looks a decade old, series of blobs of smoke and fire that goes away too quickly.
7. quest progression puzzles seems too basic, like burning spider web door at 12:00.
8. icons in the middle of the screen, annoying and simplifies exploration.
9. Companion: "That must have opened something" "Pull the lever over there"
10. Static water and no splashes even in fights 11:00
They have lots of work to do to climb above 80. But I greatly appreciate this much uncut footage half a year before the release. This is how it should be done. They just need to listen to criticism and do something about it now.
vaibhavpisal
Member
How much control you have over companions?
Can you equip them and change their skills etc?
Yesterday Dragon Age showed you can make a party that compliments you, even though you cannot directly control them.
Something like that here would be cool.
Can you equip them and change their skills etc?
Yesterday Dragon Age showed you can make a party that compliments you, even though you cannot directly control them.
Something like that here would be cool.
sigmaZ
Member
He's a judge.
Husky
THE Prey 2 fanatic
Bethesda's Creation Engine gets a lot of shit, but when I played The Outer Worlds I really missed the physics, interactivity, and NPC scripting of New Vegas. I'm concerned that Avowed will feel similarly lifeless. Since this video shows a dungeon crawl, I can't judge the game's urban sprawls, but the environments here lead me to expect another static world. Wish they could use Bethesda's engine again.
BbMajor7th
Member
Nothing more immersive than characters running around with weapons held under their chins all day, just like in real life.
Also, when the camera pops out of my head to speak to people, like in real life.
Good, so all my move sets and animations will only be slightly hobbled by the accommodation of first person.
Cause first person RPGs are a bizarre throwback that have been replaced by third person. In a post Witcher 3 / Elden Ring / Baldur's Gate 3 world, it makes no sense.
What's worse is that they don't sell as well and haven't since Skyrim. It put a lot of people (myself included) off Cyberpunk 2077. It's just bizarre to run around with weapons and items held up under your chin constantly in 2024.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Bethesda's engine they should allow to be used by anyone at MS. Some of the games will really benefit from it.
If game becomes a hit, you can release regular expansions with ease, using it.
Fess
Member
There is an ability wheel for the blue guy, he burns down the web door after instructing him to do it, so there is that. During fights it looks like he fights on his own like companions in Skyrim, but it might be the player not bothering with his abilities.
Saw no inventory screen for him but it would be weird if you can't change his equipment.
Husky
THE Prey 2 fanatic
Plus there's another Bethesda-owned engine, id Tech, that's shared between ZeniMax studios. It'd be awesome to see the Creation Engine shared in the same way.
Oh man, and imagine—every game using it would be so moddable!
vaibhavpisal
Member
Cool.
I feel this game plays more like Skyrim while Dragon Age has slightly more party focus given the franchise.
Lets see.
MS should make this happen. It will lead to more unique and interesting games.
Not everything has to be UE5.
Fess
Member
Yeah Creation Engine is great, stuff fly when things go boom and it just makes everything more immersive. Skyrim in VR with some mods is an amazing experience even today.
But to me it seems like Microsoft's studios don't share tech. Goes beyond their engine. Look at Starfield's lip sync and then look at this and Avowed seems 10 years older, even a random store owner in Starfield have nearly perfect lip sync but a main companion here does not. If Bethesda is using software, let Obsidian use that too. If it's a budget thing then fix that, Microsoft is holding the wallet, just let them use what's needed to make the best games possible.
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AltogetherAndrews
Banned
Maybe they can get some animators from Firewalk on the cheap now?
Husky
THE Prey 2 fanatic
Huh... yeah, I see it.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah, looks very much like Asgard's Wrath 2, but Asgard's Wrath 2 looks and plays very well for a VR game, running on a mobile processor. It's also super fun.
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Bojji
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"It's a first-person, single-player game, you don't necessarily need that 60 frames."
Then show the game in 60fps, lol.
Skifi28
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You don't need 60fps to play in first person, but apparently it's quite nice for showing the game. Go figure.
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Dr. Suchong
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Looks better than The Outer Worlds.
I actually like the art direction tbh.
Quirky.
I actually like the art direction tbh.
Quirky.
MikeM
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Exactly this. Nothing here looks good enough at all to say it needs to be 30fps.
PectacularOz
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Imagine they started development in a post-BG3 world. We'd likely be getting a Pillars of Eternity 3, instead of this wish.com half budget Skyrim w/colors.
nowhat
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BlackTron
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If they don't deliver what you want, try Dragon's Dogma.
Crispy Gamer
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At least the footage is pristine it looks like it could be decent I just wish the combat was better it looks too janky and mediocre like a mobile game but the exploration looks cool I'm kinda digging the environments.