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Avowed art director calls Elon Musk a "sad little shit" over Avowed gender pronoun complaints, indicates more of the same in final product

IntentionalPun

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LectureMaster said:
Many people were saying they are not buying/playing it, I don't see posts straight wishing it to bomb. That's two different things.
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I mean posts like this are at least pretty close: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/avow...n-final-product.1677781/page-7#post-269839596

But people certainly hope shit fails on this forum. They hope GAAS games fail for instance. But I've seen people hope games fail for "woke" reasons too.

Quick search: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sout...iews-going-live.1677290/page-5#post-269791424

And another: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/some...s-creed-shadows.1675045/page-2#post-269578425

This is in the first few results for "hope fails" on this forum.
 
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You know, Wake games have something similar to another type of game; Biblical videogames.

AVGN made a Special about that. Basically Christians made a series of videogames based on bible stories, and thinking people would play them because Bible if good and the holy power of the tales would make the game fun.

But as per usual, Biblical games suck because the game assumed you are already in ecstasy from being in touch with the word of god, that gaming loops and satisfying gameplay literally didn't exist. They assumed that people would buy and play these games because the book is filled with "good intentions".

Woke is the same here. Those in charge are getting high from thinking about how much goodness they are putting into the game that they think that is enough to make the game fun. Because they clearly had so much fun making the game, that means the gamers would enjoy it too, right? Wrong.

In the end, just as people rarely BUY Bibles, they get Given them. People don't buy Biblical games, and they wouldn't buy Woke games either. Because Games that preach doesn't actually have any substance.

The issue isn't the woke, or the Bible. There are many great games that borrowed religious themes in its core, they just don't shout from the rooftops that they are about religion. The same with social tolerance and accepting of others, something that you can use in a great game if only you don't waste time trying to tick woke boxes. Basically people who have no talent making games is influencing games, thus screwing them up due to being talent-less hacks.
 
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RedC

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LectureMaster said:
Typical low-effort gaslighting. I don't see a single person here advocating that we need to have a list of woke games to boycott.

The only times I saw people deliberately wanting a game to fail were Hogwarts and Stellar Blade. And those people were over the purple place.
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elbourreau said:
I will enjoy when it will bomb.

Note tjat I am not using IF it will bomb. Because it will.
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Gonzito said:
I hope the game bombs. Fuck woke propaganda
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Revolutionary said:
I sincerely hope this game bombs.
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lmimmfn

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It will be good when devs and publishers stop gaslighting their consumers. I'm tired of this shit where consumers are wrong.

Fuck off, and I have zero interest in purchasing this game now, again fuck off!
 
Wildebeest

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DeltaPolarBear said:
But as per usual, Biblical games suck because the game assumed you are already in ecstasy from being in touch with the word of god, that gaming loops and satisfying gameplay literally didn't exist. They assumed that people would buy and play these games because the book is filled with "good intentions".
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They suck because they are probably made to evade tax and launder money.
 
IntentionalPun

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DeltaPolarBear said:
You know, Wake games have something similar to another type of game; Biblical videogames.

AVGN made a Special about that. Basically Christians made a series of videogames based on bible stories, and thinking people would play them because Bible if good and the holy power of the tales would make the game fun.

But as per usual, Biblical games suck because the game assumed you are already in ecstasy from being in touch with the word of god, that gaming loops and satisfying gameplay literally didn't exist. They assumed that people would buy and play these games because the book is filled with "good intentions".

Woke is the same here. Those in charge are getting high from thinking about how much goodness they are putting into the game that they think that is enough to make the game fun. Because they clearly had so much fun making the game, that means the gamers would enjoy it too, right? Wrong.

In the end, just as people rarely BUY Bibles, they get Given them. People don't buy Biblical games, and they wouldn't buy Woke games either. Because Games that preach doesn't actually have any substance.

The issue isn't the woke, or the Bible. There are many great games that borrowed religious themes in its core, they just don't shout from the rooftops that they are about religion. The same with social tolerance and accepting of others, something that you can use in a great game if only you don't waste time trying to tick woke boxes. Basically people who have no talent making games is influencing games, thus screwing them up due to being talent-less hacks.
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I don't think this is a good analogy. Those games were made quickly by people inexperienced at making games, they weren't' made by people who have made a bunch of great games in the past, like Obsidian has.

Hell lots of games many people consider super-woke sold gangbusters, like TLOU2 and Baldurs Gate 3.
 
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Jaybe

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kungfuian said:
Fast forward to next week, Elon buys obsidian, closes obsidian.
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Clear

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So dumb,

You know, is it really that fucking unreasonable to expect adult humans to simply DISAGREE on a, honestly pretty minor, point like this?

Wouldn't it be better to just say, "Well, we liked it as an idea. Sorry, you don't see it that way but we stand by our creative choices." ?

Some people are still going to be big mad, but others will go, "ehh, maybe it isn't such a big deal to me if the rest of the game is good."

It might not entirely defuse the criticism, but at least it isn't throwing gasoline on the fire and Leeroy Jenkins-ing straight into a pissing contest!
 
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DeltaPolarBear said:
You know, Wake games have something similar to another type of game; Biblical videogames.

AVGN made a Special about that. Basically Christians made a series of videogames based on bible stories, and thinking people would play them because Bible if good and the holy power of the tales would make the game fun.

But as per usual, Biblical games suck because the game assumed you are already in ecstasy from being in touch with the word of god, that gaming loops and satisfying gameplay literally didn't exist. They assumed that people would buy and play these games because the book is filled with "good intentions".

Woke is the same here. Those in charge are getting high from thinking about how much goodness they are putting into the game that they think that is enough to make the game fun. Because they clearly had so much fun making the game, that means the gamers would enjoy it too, right? Wrong.

In the end, just as people rarely BUY Bibles, they get Given them. People don't buy Biblical games, and they wouldn't buy Woke games either. Because Games that preach doesn't actually have any substance.

The issue isn't the woke, or the Bible. There are many great games that borrowed religious themes in its core, they just don't shout from the rooftops that they are about religion. The same with social tolerance and accepting of others, something that you can use in a great game if only you don't waste time trying to tick woke boxes. Basically people who have no talent making games is influencing games, thus screwing them up due to being talent-less hacks.
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MiguelItUp

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AmuroChan said:
I think most people don't really care if someone has woke ideology. What most people have problems with is the forced compliance and the elitist attitude with which they speak down to the rest of the populace. Personally, I don't care if someone wants to be woke. Go knock yourself out, but don't shove it in my face and call me a bigot if I don't agree with you. And worse yet, when they try to indoctrinate other people's kids with this shit, parents are not going to stand for that.
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I'd like to think they don't, and I'd like to think anyone would have a problem with forced compliance and elitist attitudes. I think it's just the extremes from all sides that are the biggest nuisance. The dividing that it's creating among various topics is so goddamn tiring.

IntentionalPun said:
I don't think this is a good analogy. Those games were made quickly by people inexperienced at making games, they weren't' made by people who have made a bunch of great games in the past, like Obsidian has.

Hell lots of games many people consider super-woke sold gangbusters, like TLOU2 and Baldurs Gate 3.
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I think this is a great example of what I mentioned earlier. Games made with passion and ingenuity vs games that clearly are on the opposite side, lol.

Obsidian has had some great games. But, only time will tell if Avowed will be a decent game or not. I personally thought it looked rough from the get-go, and pretty uninspiring. So I never thought it'd do that well, but we'll see. I think it may only get love from die hard Obsidian fans. But I definitely don't think this whole thing will help it at all.
 
Hawk The Slayer

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DeltaPolarBear said:
You know, Wake games have something similar to another type of game; Biblical videogames.

AVGN made a Special about that. Basically Christians made a series of videogames based on bible stories, and thinking people would play them because Bible if good and the holy power of the tales would make the game fun.

But as per usual, Biblical games suck because the game assumed you are already in ecstasy from being in touch with the word of god, that gaming loops and satisfying gameplay literally didn't exist. They assumed that people would buy and play these games because the book is filled with "good intentions".

Woke is the same here. Those in charge are getting high from thinking about how much goodness they are putting into the game that they think that is enough to make the game fun. Because they clearly had so much fun making the game, that means the gamers would enjoy it too, right? Wrong.

In the end, just as people rarely BUY Bibles, they get Given them. People don't buy Biblical games, and they wouldn't buy Woke games either. Because Games that preach doesn't actually have any substance.
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Lmaooo didn't even know they made games like that but not surprised since they were the SJW before the age of Wokeness.

Similar to how most of the woke games are, I imagine they would also be very boring. There could still be beautiful characters but no skimpy or sexy designs/outfit. No cursing or foul words etc.

Both of them would be mostly boring with some rare exceptions. I'll still choose them over the woke side easily if I'm forced to since one side is just going to be mostly boring and strict while the woke side is boring and pushing twisted sick stuff as normal. So still the lesser of the two things I don't want in my games.
 
RedC

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Kacho said:
To be fair, I didn't notice it until it was pointed out. But I don't care if people say they want it to bomb. The internet gonna internet.
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Yeah, I'm all for people expressing themselves regardless of how silly I may think it is, however, the biggest thing is how groups of people on one side fail to see how they are guilty of the very thing that they accuse the other side of doing and vice versa.
 
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HoodWinked

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It's insane how narcissistic this guy is ("my game"), he should be saying nothing due to how it could negatively reflect on the coworkers/game/company. But he has main character syndrome and makes it about himself that he is somehow owning Elon by making him mad... these people have no self-restraint. All this dipshit did was prove Elon right that this game is infested with what he and what others suspected.

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Kacho

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RedC said:
Yeah, I'm all for people expressing themselves regardless of how silly I may think it is, however, the biggest thing is how groups of people on one side fail to see how they are guilty of the very thing that they accuse the other side of doing and vice versa.
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I don't think shitposting is in the same category as deplatforming a game like we saw the other side do, but I get your point.
 
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StereoVsn

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Buggy Loop said:
Oh for sure

Like I said, mind boggling in today's world that peoples attach their company name on their bio and go poke the beehive.
I could lose my job if I did something similar with the company I work for.
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Indeed. My ass would be fired the next day with security walking me out. Work is for work, not to politicize in the public media, especially not associating myself with my company while doing that.
 
StereoVsn

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RedC said:
You'd be surprised how many working employees still don't understand this.
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And that’s just strange to me. I could understand it in say Gen Z who don’t have much experience considering perhaps a lot of their work time has been remote and they don’t have a lot of connections to working culture.

But for people like this art director it’s just wild that someone would go to social media and go off like that not cleared by Communications first. This dude has been in the industry for quite a while.

And that doesn’t matter if I agree with the political views or not. It’s not this persons place to play a spokesperson for the company. If MS had a smidgeon of common sense, they would have someone do a session with him to explain what is and what’s not acceptable and put him on a PIP.
 
Buggy Loop

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nemiroff said:
Holy fuck @ that site... lol
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Yup

Peoples are making a business out of this.

So there's some parts you can take out of it, but it's why I don't adhere easily to the outrage just because there's a dozen youtubers making a shocked face and getting the pitchforks out.

I react, boycott a game when the water goes over the cup in nonsense and agenda.

Like exactly this. Who even talks like Taash in Dragon age veilguard?

 
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