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[mansoor1980]

uncle phil must be watching closely

 

[Notabueno]

Considering the security 1st world has, yes. Its utopia land, which I wish I lived there as a kid. I would have alot of chances in life, compared to what I have now.

I don't understand how you can make those (very valid) points, and spew neo-feminist BS not understanding that it participates to the superficial, entitled, privileged and socially violent tyranny you're/were a victim of...unless you're either lying or don't see beyond the picture...

 

[TGO]

So part of the complaint is the women dont like being interrupted in meetings? Is this serious? lol

Even when we do our town hall meetings when the CEO and VPs all get their 15 minutes each to gab about shit, some people interrupt with a question.

Imagine a person who always interrupts and has to have their say and talks over people.
Must drive a person like that crazy when they're interrupted and can't do the usual become louder and talk over people because that wouldn't be acceptable at work.

 

[kingfey]

I don't understand how you can make those (very valid) points, and spew neo-feminist BS not understanding that it participates to the superficial, entitled, privileged and socially violent tyranny you're/were a victim of...unless you're either lying or don't see beyond the picture...

Its because we have different view.
The environment that I grew up, gave me different perspective, than what other people did.

I can understand both worlds.

I myself experienced female privilege on hand, while also experiencing struggles of other women from outside of US.

Me and sister lived in a apartment couple years ago. She hanged out with her friends late at nights, and left her child with me. She got an argument with me. Throw my VR mobile headset at me, which hit the wall. Called the police on me. Been told, that If I were to ever raise my hands on her, I would be spending jail that night.

Females have that privilege her.

Another 2 years, and I hear my talking about how one of her relatives got beaten by her husband. The family got involved in. Police there cant do anything, because it's not America.

The 1st incident left me traumatized, because 1 lie is enough to put me on jail. From that day, I stayed away from women at my age. Not even bothering talking to them on my work.

But I am not gonna let that incident cloud my judgment, because some women are bad.

 

[Notabueno]

Its because we have different view.

It's not about views, and it certainly is not about women, or men, per se, but about the normative and conditional structures and the responsibilities of both men and women regarding them.

I'm just going to take your two examples: in the case of the husband beating, let me ask you: who choose, and therefor validated and enabled him? Was she kidnapped? Married by force? Sequestred? No she choose him and guess what, most women do precisely so because the guy shows attitude, character and signs that are in fact related to being abusive, agressive and toxic. But as an adult, did she quit him? Did she sue him? Or heck for that matter did she defend herself? No, because we constantly infantilise, deresponsibilise and therefor continue letting women fantasize, injunct, enable and validate without consequences (or rather responsibilities) the toxicity, aggressiveness and dominance lot of them seek out, to only position or even conceive themselves as the immaculate victim of terrible random events they had no choice or influence (responsibilities in). Of course, when she does at least contact police, then police should do their job, that's also a problem, and of course the guy is the problem as well, except everyone does consider them so...

In your case? She was violent with you, and then she lied and falsely accused you, which could have grave consequences: did she ever get confronted with responsibilities for that? NO, not an ounce and for exactly the same reasons as previously mentioned: because of the constant infantilisation and deresponsibilisation of women. Well guess what: this serves neither men, nor women.

So it's so much about all those men and women who are just symptoms of a larger problem of culture, principle, discourse and laws. And that's what lot of people are criticizing behind the non-said...

 

[kingfey]

et me ask you: who choose, and therefor validated and enabled him? Was she kidnapped? Married by force? Sequestred? No she choose him and guess what, most women do precisely so because the guy shows attitude, character and signs that are in fact related to being abusive, agressive and toxic. But as an adult, did she quit him? Did she sue him? Or heck for that matter did she defend herself? No, because we constantly infantilise, deresponsibilise and therefor continue letting women fantasize, injunct, enable and validate without consequences (or rather responsibilities) the toxicity, aggressiveness and dominance lot of them seek out, to only position or even conceive themselves as the immaculate victim of terrible random events they had no choice or influence (responsibilities in). Of course, when she does at least contact police, then police should do their job, that's also a problem, and of course the guy is the problem as well, except everyone does consider them so...

3rd world country dont have that choice. Life is tough out there. People want security. If you cant provide for yourself or your family, you are fucked. Then there is community pressure. Marriage there isnt the same as 1st world.
The logic of your 1st world doesnt apply in this scenario.

I can go to my country, and get a wife easily. While I will have issues getting women here. Because people here, know that you have to date, and learn more about each other. Down there, you dont have that choice. Its competition of first come.

So it's so much about all those men and women who are just symptoms of a larger problem of culture, principle, discourse and laws. And that's what lot of people are criticizing behind the non-said...

It is human nature. Its the lack of responsibility, that promotes these issues which you stated.
Current issues right now, is information. We have tons of information, but each information suits certain views, which makes other information invalid to other groups. Unless we acknowledge problems from both sides, there wont be any fix.

 

[Notabueno]

3rd world country dont have that choice. Life is tough out there. People want security. If you cant provide for yourself or your family, you are fucked. Then there is community pressure. Marriage there isnt the same as 1st world.
The logic of your 1st world doesnt apply in this scenario.

I can go to my country, and get a wife easily. While I will have issues getting women here. Because people here, know that you have to date, and learn more about each other. Down there, you dont have that choice. Its competition of first come.

I don't disagree with that.

It is human nature. Its the lack of responsibility, that promotes these issues which you stated.
Current issues right now, is information. We have tons of information, but each information suits certain views, which makes other information invalid to other groups. Unless we acknowledge problems from both sides, there wont be any fix.

I also agree with the notion of responsibility, and that's what I'm pointing to: there's a huge lack of responsibilities, in all sides, for various reasons why know about, and there responsibilities therefor start with acknowledging what isn't, which the complete absence of women responsibility in the varied discourses in 1st world/western countries.