Axios (Stephen Totilo) Lawyers: Email proves Microsoft’s ABK bid is designed to elimination (Update: MS claims it was a "thought experiment")
drganon
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Roxkis_ii
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The projection is unreal!
Drell
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You know, some of us don't even own any Sony console. Some of us just want the video game market to stay something competitive unlike, for example the PC operating system market? This e-mail is just a proof they want to do the same with the video game market. So yeah stay in your baby shilling warfare, most of us here aren't about this shit.
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PharaoTutAnchAmun
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Yeah when someone gives a rational opinion the Xbox diehards running to the mods to give them an instant ban..and the mods act instantly, ERA is ridicoulus ...
crackajack
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Sony is hardly a dwarf company and hardly blameless in doing some monopolistic moves themselves, but they kinda need their gaming division to survive as a whole. Antitrust laws were invented to prevent the actual big(ger) fishes to dominate or take over entire markets, so allowing MS too much leeway isn't a good idea. No idea why only the Brits have said something against it so far, and all others don't dare to step forward.
But the American authorities seem to be way too reluctant if it concerns American mega mergers. Disney becoming this monster is just insane, or allowing Facebook to get Whatsapp.
Allowing Bethesda was okay, together with all other small buys, it made the playing field quite equal, with some time delay to take any exclusive effect, but allowing an even bigger acquisition would inevitably tip the scale in the long term.
But the American authorities seem to be way too reluctant if it concerns American mega mergers. Disney becoming this monster is just insane, or allowing Facebook to get Whatsapp.
Allowing Bethesda was okay, together with all other small buys, it made the playing field quite equal, with some time delay to take any exclusive effect, but allowing an even bigger acquisition would inevitably tip the scale in the long term.
ShadowNate
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I wish that now we can put to rest the naratives of this company is totally full of good intentions and prioritizes "the gamers" above all else, and that other one is clearly an evil spawn of Sauron.
But that won't happen, will it.
But that won't happen, will it.
Drell
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Maybe here, but not on twitter.
darrylgorn
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'Shame on you for being a business'
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Phils mantra
FrankWza
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The best thing about this is we don't have to read about missing 2008-2013 Sony because arrogant sony is back. They never changed their strategy you all were just using an excuse to justify buying into their ecosystem and get a great system and games.
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rickybooby87
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I wouldn't call that jumping the gun though, that speaks to intent and motive, even if it isn't exclusive to the Acitivison deal, it's how they'll approach every acquisition with the sole purpose of hurting the competition.
cireza
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Always good to have a reminder of how this business works.
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I'm wondering why people is surprised those news. MS has been doing this for decades. In fact Spencer said:
"There is no world where Starfield is an 11/10 game and people sell their PS5".
This sentence is clear what is the strategy. It's not about MS/XBox growing, its about Playstation losing sales.
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Yeah, because if this email is true, I'm sure "eliminate PlayStation" means to put them in 2nd place...When you are about to play a game of football against another team and the coach says "alright! let's go destroy them !'.. they doesn't mean to destroy them literally.
Either all business wanna do that, or that's not what they literally mean.
Can't have it both ways.
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Drell
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All your examples are about making deals. Not buying the biggest third party publisher. Something only Microsoft has enough money to do. Nobody ever said Sony was nice and didn't want to dominate or even erase their competitors (they basically did that with Sega). The thing is, at the moment, there's only one entity that is a threat to the industry, that proves that it can get monopolies if it wants.
No. You didn't. It sounded like an angry, condescending, emotional reply.
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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See this is what people aren't looking at. Microsoft didn't become a $2.5 trillion dollar company by being nice to other businesses. Quite the opposite. They either go into something and succeed at being the best or they put a stop to it when it is no longer feasible. In this case Microsoft clearly link gaming into their software business and won't stop at anything less than number one. It's what they do. It's what any business with the power and inclination that Microsoft do.
It's like Auto CAD. Very little competition. Why? Because when some one releases a half decent product, it gets acquired and features merged into Auto CAD. Microsoft are no stranger to monopolising and certainly no stranger to anti trust court.
Allowing this deal to go through sets a precidence that would allow further industry consolidation and Microsoft to continue to acquire, effectively with the goal of PlayStation's foreclosure.
Whilst PlayStation have been very bullish in the past, they forget that Nintendo have succeeded regardless of their competition and SEGA fucked themselves with stupid decisions from CEOs that liked cocaine and cars more than longevity. PlayStation for all its success has done a lot for this industry and on a scale of balance the industry would be much worse without it.
Microsoft could have persuaded me to buy an XBOX if they started developing great first party content which is what Sony had to rely on for the majority of the PS3 and PS4 era. I personally, I believe a lot of these timed exclusive deals were to fill a gap in their portfolio due to interruptions from COVID. They clearly want to partner with some deals further.
Microsoft could do this too and have in the past. But buying the industry is a poor way to succeed and will only give me the inclination not to buy an XBOX in future. Not that it would massively affect the situation anyway but it is what it is.
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cireza
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All my examples ? I don't think I shared any examples on anything here.
I don't know in which world Microsoft could gain a monopoly when you have both Sony and Nintendo competing. Both have such a dedicated user base it is simply impossible to shake them, even if they end up being stuck with only first party games, which is something that will never happen anyway.
"But the email was before the ABK deal!!"When they tell you that the email was sent in 2019 but don't realise that makes it worse.
I guess acquiring Bethesda doesn't count...for massive reasons.
Bernardougf
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At this point is hard to separate the blatant disingenuous people from the stupid/ingenious ones ... I think adamsapple for example is really in love and ingenious to his brand ... others are simple arguing in bad faith... but who knows
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Microsoft's internal documents expose them = Sony fanboys are getting desperate lol
We can all see who's desperate and frustrated after these internal conversations were made public.
Exactly like Sony did in 94?
Heisenberg007
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Judge: "You said you'll murder him. And you did."
Murderer: "Yes, but I said that before I bought the gun, so it doesn't count."
GHG
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NickFire
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Also Murderer: and let me show you articles i ghost wrote a couple years before that should make it clear I would have ample reason to have done it. I didn't do it, but you can understand why I would have if I did.
graywolf323
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yeah, I think the best way to separate them is post count/registration date
it's like they have sleeper accounts that get activated
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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Nothing like Sony's entry into the gaming market. Nothing at all.
Sony's vision and technology completely changed the market and made game development a more feasible business. They also got rid of a lot of anticompetitive business practices that Nintendo and SEGA imposed on developers.
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Dick Jones
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Heisenberg007
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Oh look.....
Microsoft's exhibits include a number of articles going back to 2017.
Check this reply out. Same thread. Tom's defense against "this old and incorrect argument" is ...
"well, that was different."
Dick Jones
Banned
Oh look.....
Microsoft's exhibits include a number of articles going back to 2017.
Based of Microsoft's recent fine, didn't it end up justifying Jim Ryan's position
Also a Tom Warren article. Holy Jesus. They might as well quote the MS employee who wrote his article
Bernardougf
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Oh look.....
Microsoft's exhibits include a number of articles going back to 2017.
2017 ??? Well ... thats like one century ago and dosent matter... because reasons
ulantan
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Oh look.....
Microsoft's exhibits include a number of articles going back to 2017.
None of that's connected though...how could anything that happened or was said in the past have any bearing on the future. Don't be silly lol
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Oh look.....
Microsoft's exhibits include a number of articles going back to 2017.
In before 'they had planned to buy ACTI to put Sony out of business all the way in 2017' topic title update
ohh, someone should make a topic about this.
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NickFire
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Just gonna deflect with fake claims that a couple others will probably start attributing to PS fanboys in a couple pages huh?In before 'they had planned to buy ACTI to put Sony out of business all the way in 2017' topic title update
What happened to 2019 is too far back to be related to the cases?
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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Check this reply out. Same thread. Tom's defense against "this old and incorrect argument" is ...
"well, that was different."
Coming from Microsoft who told Sony very firmly no when Sony started the cross okay initiative. Pot kettle black?
I mean that decision in part made Square Enix not port FF14 to XBOX 360.
Heisenberg007
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Topher
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Sony never started the "cross play initiative". There was a kotaku article where they discovered cross play between 360 and PS3 was possible and they asked MS about it. MS said they wouldn't be doing that. Sony was never involved.
Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
graywolf323
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I mean you have to understand they operate under a very simple definition of thingsWell, at least according to Tom:
anything Sony does = evil
anything Microsoft does = good
if they deviate at all from that they might not get paid
Heisenberg007
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Deflect ? fake claims ?
You mean like the 'gamers lawsuit' lawyers fake claims about this being 'the plan around buying activision' that isn't even related to the on-going activision acquisition ?
Drell
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Well interviews or whatever you want to call them...
Well in Sony's case, If MS use they're infinite money to buy every major publishers, they can't compete since third parties are a major part of Sony's success. Nintendo is another case since they are doing their own thing since the N64. The switch brought them back some third parties but it's still not what sell switches. Now the thing with Nintendo is that they're smaller than the other 2. And as we've seen recently with Saudi Arabia having something like 10% of them, they could easily be bought by MS one day if they really wanted it.
NickFire
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Yes. 100%.
But have another chance. Instead of telling us why the 2019 email definitely does not have relevance, please enlighten why the 2017 articles have enough relevance to be used as exhibits.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Sweet, so please share the unredacted copy of the email that you might have since you're making such definitive claims.
Upload it on google drive to others can see as well.
cireza
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Topher
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Back to that now? Just a minute ago you also called it fake. You can't have it both ways dude.
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Unknown?
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He knows he's wrong, he knows Microsoft's stance.