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[Sethbacca]

Can't believe I'm reading here that plans and communication to make a thing happen... occur before said thing actually happens

There are people either too stupid to realize what they are arguing or smart enough not to do it for free

I can only imagine that most of these people have never worked in a major corp or paid attention to any type of business news outside the gaming industry.

 

[Jigsaah]

I meant it as to why they are purchasing up the industry. They failed, started blaming the opposition to their failures, no introspection, all hubris and hypocrisy, thus they buy everything up regardless of the ramifications that it will have in the race to the bottom.

I see your point. Basically they aren't seeing that their method is what is dangerous to the gaming industry. I mean that kinda plays to what I said about them stopping prior to the Bethesda acquisition. I don't think it helps the industry the way they want to do things. I specifically remember saying I prefer Sony's more organic approach to acquisitions, years ago. They buy folks who they've worked with or had a solid relationship with for some time, then they buy them. I guess one could argue that Bethesda and Xbox have had this kind of relationship. However, the majority of the acquisitions are like Microsoft saw something shiny and just bought it. Ninja Theory, specifically, comes to mind. No working relationship...saw Hellblade as an indie game...oooh shiny....purchased. Other ones I could consider are somewhat organic are Undead Labs, Playground Games, I suppose Rare, though that was long before the acquisition rush of a few years ago.

To be fair, Sony does some things on a much smaller scale that's also anticonsumer and anticompetitive. It's not $76 billion worth of anticonsumer and anticompetitive so I guess we turn a blind eye. But I don't ignore that. The method is still bad, regardless of the amount of money behind it.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I can only imagine that most of these people have never worked in a major corp or paid attention to any type of business news outside the gaming industry.

I see you take the generous interpretation then, mighty charitable of you sir

 

[Sethbacca]

I see you take the generous interpretation then, mighty charitable of you sir

Never attribute to malice what can instead be attributed to ignorance... (or whatever that saying is that I'm probably butchering)

 

[Topher]

Yes, I am calling a redacted email redacted.


How did I move the goal post without changing what I called the original email but only react on the updated info about the email far preceding the Acti talks, which the original Lawyers claim (not the email none of us have seen) claim it to be.

Because you were dismissing the "gamers" lawyers due to the emails being redacted while believing Microsoft's reps claims about the redacted emails unquestioned.

The only "gachas" here are the ones you are bringing on yourself. Be consistent in what you are saying and you won't have any further problem from me. That's all.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Nothing like Sony's entry into the gaming market. Nothing at all.

Sony's vision and technology completely changed the market and made game development a more feasible business. They also got rid of a lot of anticompetitive business practices that Nintendo and SEGA imposed on developers.

You mean like locking Namco down to their console, and blocking Saturn from big third party releases?

 

[drganon]

GHG, we got our Saturn on the bingo card.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You mean like locking Namco down to their console, and blocking Saturn from big third party releases?

Revisionist history.

Sony even allowed Psygnosis to publish their games on the Saturn for years after purchasing them. Even Tomb Raider was published to Saturn. All things revisionisms forget happened. Sega killed the Saturn. The games were there, the gamers and their strategy/pricing was not.

The 3D era is what killed the 2D built machine.

 

[Represent.]

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, even slightly hoping for this deal to pass is a fucking tool and not a fan of gaming. Point blank.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Where's the lie?

Dude is straight spitting facts. Race to the bottom starving your competition though attrition and only one can afford to stand on top of the ash.

 

[SmokedMeat]

GHG, we got our Saturn on the bingo card.

If someone’s going that far back to paint Sony as Mr Nice Guy, then Saturn’s entering the chat.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

People are seriously taking the 2019 date of the memo as somehow proof that Microsoft's intent in spending $70B on ABK is not to realize their years-long strategy of killing of Sony?

Do they think Satia Nadella wakes up one day, decides to call Phil Spencer while eating his bacon & eggs and says hey Phil, what if we buy ABK for $70B? Let's announce it this afternoon!

They think Microsoft deciding to spend as much money as Sony is worth to buy videogame publishers isn't part of a strategy that spans for over a decade? A strategy that had to go through dozens of validation steps before initiating the process?

 

[DeepEnigma]

People are seriously taking the 2019 date of the memo as somehow proof that Microsoft's intent in spending $70B on ABK is not to realize their years-long strategy of killing of Sony?

Do they think Satia Nadella wakes up one day, decides to call Phil Spencer while eating his bacon & eggs and says hey Phil, what if we buy ABK for $70B? Let's announce it this afternoon!

They think Microsoft deciding to spend as much money as Sony is worth to buy videogame publishers isn't part of a strategy that spans for over a decade? A strategy that had to go through dozens of validation steps before initiating the process?

They know the truth. They're just carrying the water.

 

[adamsapple]

Because you were dismissing the "gamers" lawyers due to the emails being redacted while believing Microsoft's reps claims about the redacted emails unquestioned.

I'm dismissing the 'gamers' lawsuit lawyers claim about it being directly related to the on-going activision acquisition. The dates prove that, there were multiple other things that happened post that 2019 email that are closer to the timeline than the end of 2021 talks about Activision between the two parties.

They're attributing something else to the current case to try and drum up buzz about it in the court, but for all intents, it looks like outside of a hardcore bunch, it has not taken any effect and despite all the tagging, FTCs main argument is still "look at Zenimax".

 

[DeepEnigma]

People are seriously taking the 2019 date of the memo as somehow proof that Microsoft's intent in spending $70B on ABK is not to realize their years-long strategy of killing of Sony?

Do they think Satia Nadella wakes up one day, decides to call Phil Spencer while eating his bacon & eggs and says hey Phil, what if we buy ABK for $70B? Let's announce it this afternoon!

They think Microsoft deciding to spend as much money as Sony is worth to buy videogame publishers isn't part of a strategy that spans for over a decade? A strategy that had to go through dozens of validation steps before initiating the process?

I'm dismissing the 'gamers' lawsuit lawyers claim about it being directly related to the on-going activision acquisition. The dates prove that,

They know the truth. They're just carrying the water.

 

[Bernardougf]

So I guess people were right when they believed that call of duty would go exclusive under Microsoft.

It didnt take any genius mind to know that .. you just didnt have to be completely stupid or disingenuous

 

[hinch7]

People are seriously taking the 2019 date of the memo as somehow proof that Microsoft's intent in spending $70B on ABK is not to realize their years-long strategy of killing of Sony?

Do they think Satia Nadella wakes up one day, decides to call Phil Spencer while eating his bacon & eggs and says hey Phil, what if we buy ABK for $70B? Let's announce it this afternoon!

They think Microsoft deciding to spend as much money as Sony is worth to buy videogame publishers isn't part of a strategy that spans for over a decade? A strategy that had to go through dozens of validation steps before initiating the process?

Tbf they did aquire Bethesda the year after. ABK, shortly after that.

 

[adamsapple]

It didnt take any genius mind to know that .. you just didnt have to be completely stupid or disingenuous

CMA finds Microsoft wouldn't pull 'Call Of Duty' from PlayStation

The cost would "outweigh any gains from taking such action"

www.nme.com

Completely stupid or disingenuous, pick your poison.

 

[DeepEnigma]

CMA finds Microsoft wouldn't pull 'Call Of Duty' from PlayStation

The cost would "outweigh any gains from taking such action"

www.nme.com

Completely stupid or disingenuous, pick your poison.

Look at that. You agree with the CMA!

Good job!

 

[The Pleasure]

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

CMA finds Microsoft wouldn't pull 'Call Of Duty' from PlayStation

The cost would "outweigh any gains from taking such action"

www.nme.com

This is not the "own" you think it is man, think about it for more than 15 seconds

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

People are seriously taking the 2019 date of the memo as somehow proof that Microsoft's intent in spending $70B on ABK is not to realize their years-long strategy of killing of Sony?

Do they think Satia Nadella wakes up one day, decides to call Phil Spencer while eating his bacon & eggs and says hey Phil, what if we buy ABK for $70B? Let's announce it this afternoon!

They think Microsoft deciding to spend as much money as Sony is worth to buy videogame publishers isn't part of a strategy that spans for over a decade? A strategy that had to go through dozens of validation steps before initiating the process?

I don’t think anyone has argued that the ABK purchase isn’t part of MS’s plans to dominate Sony and Nintendo. Just like the moves and deals Sony and Nintendo make are part of their strategy to dominate the other two.

 

[Hendrick's]

As far as the general strategy of winning against a competitor, it's certainly not a unique concept.

All of a sudden businesses trying to beat their competitors is somehow controversial.

 

[Bernardougf]

CMA finds Microsoft wouldn't pull 'Call Of Duty' from PlayStation

The cost would "outweigh any gains from taking such action"

www.nme.com

Yeah....the dismiss of the console/cod slc was always an error .. this email just proves it (if its real) and since they arent denying.. well

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I don’t think anyone has argued that the ABK purchase isn’t part of MS’s plans to dominate Sony and Nintendo. Just like the moves and deals Sony and Nintendo make are part of their strategy to dominate the other two.

Someone did... Microsoft themselves to every regulator

 

[DeepEnigma]

All of a sudden businesses trying to beat their competitors is somehow controversial.

That's not controversial, it's how one goes about it.

Be less disingenuous.

 

[akaFullmetal]

Microsoft does have a history of trying to buy out markets to destroy competition in the 90s and 2000. Figured they got over doing that though.

 

[FrankWza]

I don’t think anyone has argued that the ABK purchase isn’t part of MS’s plans to dominate Sony and Nintendo. Just like the moves and deals Sony and Nintendo make are part of their strategy to dominate the other two.

Domination is what PlayStation and Nintendo have been doing in the console space.
What xbox is planning is annihilation using Microsoft $.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

I don’t think anyone has argued that the ABK purchase isn’t part of MS’s plans to dominate Sony and Nintendo.

Dude it's right here even in this page, a couple of posts below mine:

I'm dismissing the 'gamers' lawsuit lawyers claim about it being directly related to the on-going activision acquisition. The dates prove that, there were multiple other things that happened post that 2019 email that are closer to the timeline than the end of 2021 talks about Activision between the two parties.

 

[The Pleasure]

Microsoft does have a history of trying to buy out markets to destroy competition in the 90s and 2000. Figured they got over doing that though.

 

[Bernardougf]

All of a sudden businesses trying to beat their competitors is somehow controversial.

It should be since you yourself thought was not possible.

 

[adamsapple]

Look at that. You agree with the CMA!

Good job!

On the not-foreclosing part? Yes, I've said that for a while.

I'm glad we're all on the same page now about this at least.

Yeah....the dismiss of the console/cod slc was always an error .. this email just proves it (if its real) and since they arent denying.. well

'was always an error ' 'if real'.

come on now, the foreclosing part has been dismissed by multiple regulators already, even the ones who don't want to approve the acquisition for other reasons.

Dude it's right here even in this page, a couple of posts below mine:

That's not what my post is about at all lol

Read again.

That’s not saying what you think it is.

Some of you are way too emotionally invested in this stuff.

It's a rush to have a reply out as soon as possible without double checking.

 

[Bernardougf]

On the not-foreclosing part? Yes, I've said that for a while.

I'm glad we're all on the same page now about this at least.




'was always an error ' 'if real'.

come on now, the foreclosing part has been dismissed by multiple regulators already, even the ones who don't want to approve the acquisition for other reasons.





That's not what my post is about at all lol

Read again.




It's a rush to have a reply out as soon as possible without double checking.

Yeah that foreclosing part worked really well with bethesda... im sure it will work well with activision games also

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Domination is what PlayStation and Nintendo have been doing in the console space.
What xbox is planning is annihilation using Microsoft $.

I don’t know what you consider to be domination and annihilation and what your difference is between them.

Either way the end goal is the same for all of these companies.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don’t know what you consider to be domination and annihilation and what your difference is between them.

Either way the end goal is the same for all of these companies.

Which is why a merger regulation sector exists and needs to exist. For instance, such as an almost $3T company going scorched earth on an industry. Why the mental gymnastics? Just because companies "want to" does not excuse those who are able to, and actively trying to.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Which is why a merger regulation sector exists and needs to exist. For instance, such as an almost $3T company going scorched earth on an industry. Why the mental gymnastics? Just because companies "want to" does not excuse those who are able to, and actively trying to.

Cool? I’m not against regulations and rules and if the acquisition is blocked then ok.

Scorched earth…. please

 

[adamsapple]

Yeah that foreclosing part worked really well with bethesda... im sure it will work well with activision games also

They're not comparable at all. And, and once again, multiple regulators have dismissed the foreclosing part *with* all the prior knowledge of the kind of commitments made for Zenimax games vs Call of Duty.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Cool? I’m not against regulations and rules and if the acquisition is blocked then ok.

Scorched earth…. please

Using daddy's money to buy up the largest third party publishers and their hundreds of IPs after failing to gain ground via the division on its own merits, and then gloating that you were not going to stop there... is the very definition of scorched earth.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Using daddy's money to buy up all the largest third party publishers and their hundreds of IPs after failing to gain ground via the division on its own merits, and then gloating that you were not going to stop there... is the very definition of scorched earth.

“Daddy’s money”

There’s those emotions again.

 

[Bernardougf]

They're not comparable at all. And, and once again, multiple regulators have dismissed the foreclosing part *with* all the prior knowledge of the kind of commitments made for Zenimax games vs Call of Duty.

It shows intent and sets precedents ... until they change this real recent precedent with bethesda its what we have to support our opinion.. words from phils might enchant you my friend.. not me

 

[DeepEnigma]

“Daddy’s money”

There’s those emotions again.

There is no emptions, asshole (that was emotions).

It's chosen language that is essentially a fact. Are they using Xbox money? Or are they using Windows/productivity money?

 

[Hendrick's]

That's not controversial, it's how one goes about it.

Be less disingenuous.

I'm not. This is nothing out of the ordinary. Its literally business as usual.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

There is no emptions, asshole (that was emotions).

It's chosen language that is essentially a fact. Are they using Xbox money? Or are they using Windows/productivity money?

They’re using their money. You might not know this, but Microsoft owns Xbox.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm not. This is nothing out of the ordinary. Its literally business as usual.

Which is why regulation exists and anti-trust laws were written, unironically from MS in the 90s.

They’re using their money. You might not know this, but Microsoft owns Xbox.

 

[Hendrick's]

It should be since you yourself thought was not possible.

I stand by that. They will not remove CoD from PlayStation. This isn't even the same argument. You won't find the gotcha you think you will, but continue to waste your time searching my past posts.

 

[Vognerful]

It didnt take any genius mind to know that .. you just didnt have to be completely stupid or disingenuous

I mean , this is history revisionism. We can go back to the old threads and see how those who said that were in the minority and were regarded as stupid to even claim so.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I mean , this is history revisionism. We can go back to the old threads and see how those who said that were in the minority and were regarded as stupid to even claim so.

Some are still saying it on this very page.

 

[The Pleasure]

Using daddy's money to buy up the largest third party publishers and their hundreds of IPs after failing to gain ground via the division on its own merits, and then gloating that you were not going to stop there... is the very definition of scorched earth.

Isn't that a wwe theme song?

 

[CatLady]

Very interesting.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

I don’t know what you consider to be domination and annihilation and what your difference is between them.

Domination is to get an upper hand over your competitors.
Annihilation is to get the competitors to die off and/or leave the market.