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Azealia Banks weighs in on the Nig***/Nigga debate
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That's a brilliant argument coming from the guy who is telling people that racial slurs have no inherent meaning.
And handwaving racial issues by invoking the uniting spirit of the proletariat is nothing short of, well, revolutionary.
Makes you in no way seem completely oblivious.
You're talking about a completely different country, with a completely different culture, using a completely different word than the country, culture, and word usage Azealia Banks is referring to.
Okay then. Lets just have race be an issue for the rest of our lives, maybe one day when people are less racist us poor people will realize we are actually on the same page. At the same bottom.
What would happen if an entire generation was told that race wasn't important?
My mom is Hispanic but ever since I was born she has always been racially against white persons and tried passing that on to me.
There were times that I was judge mental against white persons until I stopped.
What if all parents stopped telling kids racist shit?
There's a difference between passing on history and knowledge and passing on hate.
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Damerman
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In the end, its all symbolically the same. The key word is colloquial. And haiti had it roughest in the west hemisphere when it came to white slave owners. The upper class elite has always been mulatos and whites.. Read up on it. There is a reason Jean-Jaques Desaline literally tried to eradicate all whites from the island. The situations are different, albeit racially more sensitive in haiti, but in the end its all part of the dialect of Haitian Creol. The same way "nigga" is part of the American urban dialect.
Nah, Racists being called racist is universe bursting cognitive dissonance.
Like, literally the Klan gets upset now when it is called racist.
We're through the looking glass.
Okay, like you said, your mom tried to pass on racist beliefs that you avoided, but there are tons of people that don't avoid that so they pick up on that racism. they might be raised in a part of town with zero black people so they're out of touch when they meet one and only appreciate their culture (look at all the people that love Chief Keef's music but would be scared shitless to run across him or anyone that looks like him). or the white people oblivious to the discriminatory practices against minorities so when somebody black complains about them, they think they're being racist and look at poorer people as "not working hard enough." In a perfect society, then yeah, race could disappear but it's so ingrained that it's not happening anytime soon or ever. Us, as a generation, have made some steps but a lot of Gen-Xers still carry the same beliefs the prior generations did and that goes for democrats and republicans. almost always libertarians.
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I don't necessarily care for Hollywood's constant churning out of them. Not because I don't want to know about slavery (I'd rather read information online or in books about it; Hollywood films lie a little about everything), moreso than because they just get in a cycle where it seems like that's the only thing black-cast movies deal with. That or comedy. It wouldn't hurt to have a few movies that just happen to have a black cast but deal with stuff that isn't always about oppression or the world trying to kick you down. That's bad for self-esteem.
Like racism for example; black people aren't the only ones that experience racism. It'd be interesting to see a Hollywood film on the level of 12 Years A Slave but dealing with Japanese racism against Chinese during WWII for example, but that probably won't happen. Hollywood's just got a thing where if it deals with racism or slavery, it has to feature black people. I don't know how much of that is out of sincerity and how much is some sick fetish for acting out fantasies, but it's tiring to see it only from that perspective or at the very least, not a lot of stuff that focuses or stories you'd see with any mostly white cast, but just happens to feature an all-black cast like it's no big deal.
There was a study done about how media influences people more than initially thought when it comes to perceptions of others. Feed people enough pessimism about themselves and they'll feel like shit all the time. And that's very bad for kids especially.
I'm not denying racial disparity in Haiti or trying to argue word usage.
I'm just saying that you can't really "agree" with Azealia Banks based on how a completely different (even if "symbolically" the same) word is used in Haiti. It's a different word, from a different culture, in a different country, that carries its own unique cultural context.
Not true at all. when considering French slave owners established a mixed class of mulattos pretty much everywhere they went so far as to allow many to build up large pockets of wealth in Saint Domingue,Martinque, and even as far is New Orleans. British didnt show any type of love to their own offspring, who usually at best would get a place in the house as a home domestic.
Haiti had it really worse because this class was still there when the Whites were kicked out, and they were able to trick a few simple minded dark fellows into enslaving their own people to keep a system of slavery, and later restavec, going.
As a young black male, I personally try not to use "nigga" or "ni**er" in my everyday vocab, not even with black friends. IMO, using it promotes subconscious discrimination and leads black people to be looked down on by those of other races.
Other people can use it if they like, but I was raised differently.
Other people can use it if they like, but I was raised differently.
Stop equating the black experience to poverty.
A rich black person is no less black than a poor one. And none of us are using the word nigga because we're poor.
God, you're just...fucking stop. Just stop
Sure, if we just completely disregard human history and reality at large, things look different. Glad you've shown me the light.
That's a bad metaphor. You can't relate life experiences to just being rich or poor. How did that black man become rich? Why is that white man poor? There's just too many variables to make a comparison like that.
I was talking about a specific experience.
And the entire point I'm trying to make is that just color isn't enough to make you the "same" as another person in the same way that color shouldn't be enough to make you "different" than an other person.
I have more in common with a person of any color that has lived a similar life to myself, than a person of my same color who has lived a completely different life.
Yes I understand it is harder for poor black people, but that doesn't mean its "easy" for non black poor people.
Upward mobility is near impossible in this world regardless of color.
I have a feeling some of yall are trying to say I cant speak a word because I'm not a specific color.
Fuck that. That's racist yo.
And whoever the fuck said white people can't listen to rap, wtf?
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I'm a black guy living in northern NJ, the way it was around here was that acceptable usage of nigga was a mix of class issues and race issues.
If you were a young white guy who had that accent and talked/acted like "one of us" then no one cared if you said nigga, it just sounded natural because that's honestly how they grew up.(this was rare though, it's mostly blacks and hispanics around where I live)
It's hard to explain but the crux of it was if it sounded natural coming from your mouth, if it didn't then yeah you're really playing with fire.
When it comes to much older black people(mostly in my family, can't speak for anyone else) It seems that it definitely tends to break down more among racial lines, for them white people can't say it no matter what.
If you were a young white guy who had that accent and talked/acted like "one of us" then no one cared if you said nigga, it just sounded natural because that's honestly how they grew up.(this was rare though, it's mostly blacks and hispanics around where I live)
It's hard to explain but the crux of it was if it sounded natural coming from your mouth, if it didn't then yeah you're really playing with fire.
When it comes to much older black people(mostly in my family, can't speak for anyone else) It seems that it definitely tends to break down more among racial lines, for them white people can't say it no matter what.
Nah, it's cause you have no idea what you're talking about.
Why, cause you disagree?
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I'm done with this thread, I've spoken my opinions, and I hope one day people are more progressive on this issue instead of treading the same ground over and over again.
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you brought tins on yourself, dear royalans
the HUELENS and mr swags of the world, you shined a bat-signal just for them...only, that signal was in the shape of banks
WHO are you talking to?
NOBODY is talking about poverty here but you.
THIS THREAD is about the word "nigga."
A rich black person can say the word nigga without triggering alarms.
A poor white person, in most areas of the country, couldn't.
You're trying to turn this into a class issue, but that's not what it is. You're not "one and the same" with black people because you were raised poor. That's fucking offensive. Get over yourself.
iShouldGoPro
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Who needs to be an authority when you have thousands of Twitter followers
At the end of the day, what's really suspect is the slobbering mess that someone becomes trying to convince others they should be using it in their everyday vernacular. You can give a million reasons why you should use it but the moment you start dismissing the terrible history linked with the word and how it affects a portion of the population of people on this planet in order to wax that ego of yours because you have the power to use a marginalizing word in the right context *ahem*, you become seriously disingenuous and no longer sincere about your claims that you do not want to offend and/or come off as bigoted.
This word will remain divisive, so long as we acknowledge the history of that word. Also from personal experience, I'll respect you a lot less if you can't find it in yourself to refrain from using such a word.
This word will remain divisive, so long as we acknowledge the history of that word. Also from personal experience, I'll respect you a lot less if you can't find it in yourself to refrain from using such a word.
Damerman
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they aren't different though. and the magnitude at which they are different is superficial at best. I've had the opportunity to live both, and i honestly can't see real, hard, fundamental differences.
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...What?
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This thread is perplexing ..
It's like strangers commenting on how you interact within your social circle
Everyones circle has its own rules
And I highly doubt most people here would refer to a stranger as a nigga
As for that word in music... I don't think white people should use it .. I don't think black people should use it .. It's not a pretty word
It's like strangers commenting on how you interact within your social circle
Everyones circle has its own rules
And I highly doubt most people here would refer to a stranger as a nigga
As for that word in music... I don't think white people should use it .. I don't think black people should use it .. It's not a pretty word
He doesn't see race, just class. Progressive, you see.
HUELEN10
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What? This man does not speak for me, at all; I do not associate myself with the swag guy.
IrishNinja
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dear black friends: how does a CAC pronounced ODB's 2nd album title
bruh its like this but pretend everyone is light stkinned doe
and why would you? you're digging perfectly fine on ya own - do you, HUELENs
bruh its like this but pretend everyone is light stkinned doe
and why would you? you're digging perfectly fine on ya own - do you, HUELENs
Just like the word nigga this thread evolved into something else.
I already stated my opinions on the word and the conversation led to this poverty thing, because I think class is more important than race.
I guess that is its own thread so ill leave.
Also, there's nothing "cool" about saying nigga, in the same way there's nothing cool about using dude or man. It's just a fucking word, azaelia is dumb on that part.
I just hope that if the day actually comes when someone is offended by my speech they allow me to explain myself instead of just throwing words and hidden meanings into my mouth.
Until then, I will not change until I leave my regional dialect behind eventually (I ship to the Navy soon, so it might be sooner than you think).
Its a word like any other word, it is only fueled by context.
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I Lol'd to hard at this.
No. No no no no no. This thread didn't "evolve into something else." You are literally the only person trying to link the usage of the word nigga and its accessibility to poverty level.
That's you, homie.
Damerman
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well, regarding the first part, i was talking about the brutality that the slave masters used against slaves. Haiti has even first hand accounts from Jean-Jaques Desalines himself that proves this brutality.
Second, the mulattos didn't trick anyone into anything, they were too busy getting murdered. Tousaint L'ouverture was a plantation owner, Jean-Jaques Desaline, after he kicked out the french, established an economy where one was either a plantation worker or a soldier... the plantation workers were essentially in a worse condition than with white slave owners.
But Desaline thought he was doing the right thing because the only right thing was to have complete independence and vigilance for when the white may come back. Its no surprise he did what he did because in the declaration of independence he explicitly declared France an "eternal" enemy. And its no wonder that the plantation workers(read: slaves) killed him as they yelled; "death to the tyrant".
He just said he's perfectly fine to descend in his own ignorance, rather its up to everybody else to change to fit his narrow world view.
You wont get far after that statement.
Lol, as a white person from an exceptionally impoverished background who never had his resume skipped because of a first name, or an interview soured by inherent bias or a school denied funding by apathy and gerrymandering or any number of non anecdotal, statistically backed facts, who enjoyed frictionless social mobility, I can honestly say you're wrong and naive or wilfully disingenuous.
Tons of people, black and white, say nigga because they think it's cool. lmao, you're ridiculous, truly.
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Damerman
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I saw what you were going for with your arguments until you said this. Yes poor whites are more exposed to urban black culture, and in some circles, it's okay for said white to use the word nigga. But this part right here is denying white supremacist structures in modern society, and i can't agree with this.
I don't think he is denying it, more like "it sucks to be poor, regardless of color". There is nothing wrong about that. A poor white guy struggles the same as a poor chinese guy or a poor black guy. The latter might be struggling a bit more, but that doesn't make the situation for the other magically better.
I know, :|
I think, -a, racist it otherwise, is still a slur according to this thread.
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Fuck Miami so hard..I'm anti progressive. LOL what the hell..
Damerman
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no, just no. there is empirical evidence that goes against what you are saying. I'll just leave you with one. Homes black families buy are valued at 18% less than white homes. there are just some structural things that keep black people poor. and if you say that this isn't true and that all poor people face the same challenge, you are denying these social structures, therein denying white supremacist barriers for black people.
there is plenty more of this evidence that you can look for.
Nothing really. I just remember that it was super common as a child but teachers and such always told my friends me off for saying it because they couldn't understand the new meaning of the word and acted as if we didn't know the actual meaning (we didn't really).
So sorta like nigga except it "used" to be a terrible racist slur?
P.s. I hate auto correct
I guess I learnt that according to here, there are people in the US, Black or white, that casually say nigga and don't find it to be a racist slur.
In the UK you cannot say it. I never hear it.
Uhh... I don't think that I know the actual meaning. I always use it in a that's wicked awesome fashion.
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It means evil originally? Oh well English is only my third language.
:|
Well... Like a wicked witch.
Edit: Yeah you're right. But it is perfectly socially acceptable now to mean the other word. It is probably in the dictionary to have that meaning now.
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