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[JDSN]

What? This man does not speak for me, at all; I do not associate myself with the swag guy.

Yeah, he speaks for you, if you are gonna use a very anecdotal social experience to judge how to behave towards the rest of a community, dont be surprised when the community judges you back based on past experiences with people that say the words you wanna continue using even tho you know it hurts some.

Its like the Gamergate thing, you might not be a woman-hating nazi piece of shit, but if you are gonna talk like one, use their rhetoric and surround yourself by them people are gonna second guess your crusade for ethics.

I don't think he is denying it, more like "it sucks to be poor, regardless of color". There is nothing wrong about that. A poor white guy struggles the same as a poor chinese guy or a poor black guy. The latter might be struggling a bit more, but that doesn't make the situation for the other magically better.

There is no place in the world in which this is true.

 

[royalan]

Azealia Banks is pretty cute in a crazy way and I don't care about her social commentary. Don't know why there needs to be a topic every time she has an opinion.

If there was a topic every time Azealia had an opinion and tweeted that shit, the entire first page of OT would be Azealia Banks threads.

 

[Igo]

Now I think you're just being contrary.

I have to ask you where you're from. Because I'm born and raised in Los Angeles, and currently living in Philadelphia. And in neither region is the attitudes toward the word "nigga" so casual that non-black people can casually say it to black people they don't know without there being issues.

I mean, videos of people getting knocked-the-fuck-out for even casually saying nigga around a group of black strangers is still a regular occurrence on Worldstar. Hell, even as a black person, if I said that word around a few of the elders in my family I'd get popped in the mouth before I finished the last syllable. And I come from a family where everyone in my generation uses the word pretty regularly. So I just don't buy this fantasy world you live in where everyone is that cool with saying nigga.

London > North Jersey > London. Essentially. Most of the late 90s and 2000s spent in North Jersey and NYC.

I've seen pretty much every race use nigga naturally among other black people without issue. Not to say everyone had the freedom to just randomly say nigga without raising eyebrows, but i've never seen it lead to violence. All depends of how honest it feels coming out of a persons mouth.

Nigga isn't going anywhere so it needs to lose that weight already. It doesn't make sense for black people to very publicly, to the entire world, perpetuate it's usage while also expecting to everyone to pretend they haven't also adopted it in this context.

For the record, I stopped saying it back in 07, I think. If everyone else had too my opinion would probably be different.

 

[Zukuu]

There is no place in the world in which this is true.

What?
If you're starving, and I'm starving. Do you agree that we are both starving? How does you having tooth ache, or me having a stool, improve my situation here? It doesn't.

I think no one is denying that minorities (in the US) have it harder compared to the majority, but that doesn't magically improve their individual situation. I think that is what the poster meant.

It's like the 'perks' of 'white privilege' is the status quo and black people and other minorities are a notch below it.

 

[Izuna]

Hmm... I will say it if Obama does.
/kinda s

But honestly, new meaning or not, racist still or not, it is clearly still a slur.

 

[JDSN]

What?
If you're starving, and I'm starving. Do you agree that we are both starving? How does you having tooth ache, or me having a stool, improve my situation here? It doesn't.

I think no one is denying that minorities (in the US) have it harder compared to the majority, but that doesn't magically improve their individual situation. I think that is what the poster meant.

It's like the 'perks' of 'white privilege' is the status quo and black people and other minorities are a notch below it.

If you are starving and im starving there is a bigger chance that you will stop starving if you are not a minority, this chances are still high even if you are a convicted felon. I care little for the argument that dude is trying to make because he has not been making any sense in a while now, but the argument you are trying to make is fundamentally flawed too, of course there are poor people that happen to be white, when people talk about "white privilege" its not some magical shield that white people have, privilege means that you statistically have a bigger chance of getting the things you want for reasons unrelated to current social status and/or effort.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

Are they gonna use it in the same way I used it?
If then, there's no issue.

No, not necessarily. People aren't going to instantly pick up on the fact - well, no, let's say idea - that it's only "okay" to use in certain contexts just from hearing you use it. They are, however, going to get the idea that it's okay to say in general.

I don't believe that people genuinely do this in practice.

Belief in one hand, fact in the other...

 

[Fink]

Never used it before, not gonna start now.

One of my friends had a habit of using it for a while. Used to make me uncomfortable. Before she was someone who defended her usage, but somewhere along the line she realized that it wasn't helping anyone.

 

[Fushin]

If there was a topic every time Azealia had an opinion and tweeted that shit, the entire first page of OT would be Azealia Banks threads.

Past two months. It's pretty stupid.

 

[royalan]

Past two months. It's pretty stupid.

4 threads in the past two months. Out of the how many threads posted in that amount of time?

 

[Zukuu]

Past two months. It's pretty stupid.

botty seems to be a fan.

 

[Wreav]

I don't care if you was taught wrong.

 

[chertipros]

I don't get why a white person would even want to even use the word in the first place. You can say the whole reason black people started calling each other that was to be ironic, or feel empowered or whatever and it just happened to stick but what does a white person have to gain besides coming off as a dick

 

[Sai-kun]

azealia banks is such fucking garbage and i'm so disappointed that i still listen to her album.

what a fucking loser.

 

[Kusagari]

Past two months. It's pretty stupid.

I think the point was that Azealia tweets something stupid as hell every day.

 

[Mercury Fred]

azealia banks is such fucking garbage and i'm so disappointed that i still listen to her album.

what a fucking loser.

Honestly, please just delete it from your life. She's a fucking toxic asshole and should be shunned and ignored.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Honestly, please just delete it from your life. She's a fucking toxic asshole and should be shunned and ignored.

That's terrible advice given what her scheduled tweets list looks like for tomorrow.

 

[ICKE]

Every social circle works within certain accepted parameters. In US FGC (fighting game community) people use it quite often and no one seems to mind. So I don't know if I agree with the argument that people should stop using it out of some moral principle, because at that point it is just a bunch of strangers trying to tell others how they shoukd behave among themselves. What is the point or are you afraid that there are some specific negative consequences? Is someone being dehumanised, it depends. Are people learning bad habits, possibly. These terms are not going to be accepted as language one can use in various public encounters. Exercise judgment when using incendiary words.

Context matters. "This nigga...." when someone pulls out yet another reversal dp is rather harmless. The expression "these hadjis..." when used by comrades in Iraq is a negative sign but even then you have to take some things into consideration. A word like nigga is loaded with lots of baggage but it is somewhat endearing when two friends can take something offensive and turn it into a benign gesture. I wouldn't use it but it just feels like some people are slighlty out if touch with young people when they are quick to condemn them for using these expressions when no ill intent is behind them.

 

[ersocaster]

Honestly, I don't give a shit. I'm sure there are a good number of white people who won't use it maliciously, but is it really that hard for there to be one word you can't use? Is it really that big a deal?

I never use the word personally, but this is a horrible argument.

I grew up hearing the word constantly in my friend circle. I'm not sitting there as an 8 year old thinking "I'm white. I can't say this word." I'm sitting there thinking "My friends all use this word to reference one another. So I should too if I want to fit in."

 

[botty]

botty seems to be a fan.

Azealia Banks blocked me on twitter.

 

[Marcus]

azealia banks is such fucking garbage and i'm so disappointed that i still listen to her album.

what a fucking loser.

separate the artist from the art.

 

[kamorra]

Azealia Banks blocked me on twitter.

She probably didn't like your avatar.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/media/2015/02/06/azealia-banks-even-if-i-am-homophobe-so-wat

 

[jordan0386]

If you listen to a lot of rap, you are prolly using "My nigga" to your friends a lot.

Nigger just doesn't have the meaning it once did. And condemning a younger crowd from using it for friendship, it is kinda showing that you want it to forever mean Hate and Angst.

But I'm black, my privilege(lol) to the word clearly different and my brain interprets it differently.

Yes, it is weird as fuck to hear it come out of a white persons mouth. But that's just what it is.

 

[Vire]

I feel bad for enjoying Broke With Expensive tastes now after finding out what a horrible person she is.

 

[Pimpwerx]

I'm black and I don't use either word. I feel this is something that originated in America and somehow has passed on to other parts of the world. I'm from the Caribbean and when I was younger, neither word was ever used around me. Not once, and I'd been all over the islands. Black people are the majority in the islands, so racism wasn't a thing for me. Now I've heard islanders I've chatted with online saying "nigga" and it's just weird. I think it's from music. I don't use the word unless I'm singing lyrics, so in don't know why white people or other races would feel any more comfortable using it than me. It's not a cool word. Never was and never will be. PEACE.

 

[Africanus]

While I am not a fan of the word itself, I see little problem in Ms. Banks statement, although I will expand further.

As the N-word has grown to be a word that is partially reclaimed by the people it was once used to demean, it has raised questions by those of other races/ethnic groups whether they too are allowed to use it.

My response?: If one must ask whether or not they can say or use the word, then the answer is no. At my previous school with a majority African-American population, the European-American, Mexican, Guatemalan, and Puerto-Rican students of that school all used the N-word with little consequence. None of them asked whether or not it was "proper" because, given the surrounding culture and situation, as well as their familiarity with one another, it was not neccessary.

This is to be compared to a stranger of, say, German-American ancestry walking up to a group of African Americans and saying, "Wassup my niggas?". There would be a negative response to this.

As in everything, it requires social nuance. Not all Africans/African Americans approve or appreciate the word being used, and they should not be expected to as it is a very heated word. Yet I see no problem with other groups using the word if, just like African Americans or anyone else, they pay attention to the social climate they are in.

 

[Malyse]

If you listen to a lot of rap, you are prolly using "My nigga" to your friends a lot.

Nigger just doesn't have the meaning it once did. And condemning a younger crowd from using it for friendship, it is kinda showing that you want it to forever mean Hate and Angst.

But I'm black, my privilege(lol) to the word clearly different and my brain interprets it differently.

Yes, it is weird as fuck to hear it come out of a white persons mouth. But that's just what it is.

That's an interesting way to be wrong.

 

[Africanus]

I should make clear that I am speaking of the latter use of the N-word in a neutral/friendly sense, and not the entirely unacceptable racist version still in use.

 

[EloquentM]

Nigger just doesn't have the meaning it once did.

STOP

 

[IrishNinja]

STOP

hol up, i thought we was supposed to see where people lived and their median income first because you know that's somehow highly relevant doe

 

[Thorakai]

I just realized I've been confusing Azealia Banks with Iggy Azelia when I just look at thread titles.

 

[Eppy Thatcher]

Well then, I suppose I cannot tell. It sounds very -er to me. Or at least, very not -a.

I know i'm late on catchup but i just had to jump in cause this is what i was saying in my last post.

It's kind of humorous to me that some of that argument from page 1&2 was coming from the fact that you literally couldn't hear the difference. Which is double strange to me that this difference of opinion even came up as there has been a lot of discussion for YEARS now about the fact that the "ah" inflection instead of the "er" at the end of the word does make a difference to some people and others it really doesn't at all...

which is what i thought you were saying was your opinion on it. Not that it all literally sounded the same lol

fucking language man. No wonder we kill each other...


edit: I haven't heard someone called a dumpster fire for years and it brought back good memories and LoLs so this thread wins purely for that.

 

[Sigmaah]

I'm brown af and I call my black friends nigga, white friends nigga, asian friends nigga, brown friends nigga, etc.

Oh no, I'm racist.

Honestly tho, it just matters where you reside really. I grew up with the word so it's just apart of me and anyone tryna tell me to stop saying it, FoH.

Ppl over here just take it as another form of bro, dude, buddy, etc. Even the white boys say it. Ppl know what they mean when they say it and just go about their day and are cool with it.

The other word, that's a whole different story tho.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

That's an interesting way to be wrong.

lol..thanks for the laugh. Know that this changes NOTHING!

 

[Coconut]

I disagree with her completely.

I don't know I'm certain that I wouldn't sound cool.

 

[Sai-kun]

Honestly, please just delete it from your life. She's a fucking toxic asshole and should be shunned and ignored.

i just love Soda so much tho

separate the artist from the art.

i have a very difficult time with this.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

If you listen to a lot of rap, you are prolly using "My nigga" to your friends a lot.

Nigger just doesn't have the meaning it once did. And condemning a younger crowd from using it for friendship, it is kinda showing that you want it to forever mean Hate and Angst.

But I'm black, my privilege(lol) to the word clearly different and my brain interprets it differently.

Yes, it is weird as fuck to hear it come out of a white persons mouth. But that's just what it is.

You have a good point about this being a generational thing, and also a thing about certain people wanting the status quo to remain. It's stupid to ban people from saying words; that violates freedom of speech. And it's unfair to try and ban one racial slur but not have a problem with others persisting.

You don't take negative power away from something by throwing it in the closet and swallowing the key; you change its meaning into a positive one. That's the only way to truly take the power away from those who want to use it in a hateful way.

 

[Slayven]

Like I tell everybody, say if you want, just don't expect everybody to be cool with it.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Having heard the actual n word uttered with malice by white people, I've never been offended by white people saying "nigga." Not saying I cosign it...I just don't care. I don't even say nigga irl unless I'm at home with my brothers - my actual brothers. Just recognize every black person isn't cool or indifferent about it. Don't say it to random black people, folks.

Not saying I felt shook when someone legit called me a nigger, just that there's quite a fucking difference between that and someone greeting you. But then again I could see being irritated if some lame white person said it to me, like HUELEN10.

 

[Damerman]

I feel bad for enjoying Broke With Expensive tastes now after finding out what a horrible person she is.

horrible? really? i think thats a bit of a stretch.

 

[Booshka]

If hate speech was literally banned from my lexicon then a ton of inanimate objects and inane personal scenarios would benefit. I tend to use random hate speech and offensive words to voice my personal displeasure with random, inane bullshit.

The words are just a representation of random, personal frustration, they have no societal impact for anyone else, but they are so toxic and hateful that they seem applicable for dumb and frustrating personal scenarios.

i.e. I forgot that I had a load of laundry in the washer, now it stinks from festering all wet in there, instead of me moving it to the dryer in a timely fashion. Cue obnoxious and disgusting words.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Why does Azealia hate white people?

 

[Rootbeer]

It's a trap. Don't listen to her lies. She's just trying to get white people killed having us going around using nigga like it's no thing.

 

[Forceatowulf]

horrible? really? i think thats a bit of a stretch.

Have you seen some of her past tweets? She's a fuck nut.

I'd give her a pass if she was still a teenager and still growing up and shit, but she's a grown ass motherfucking twenty three year old woman.

 

[IrishNinja]

Why does Azealia hate white people?

it gets her twitter fanbase in a tizzy, plus neogaf threads
win/win if you've burned down every other avenue in your life

 

[Sai-kun]

horrible? really? i think thats a bit of a stretch.

she's pretty fucking horrible

read her tweets

 

[RockTurtle]

While I am not a fan of the word itself, I see little problem in Ms. Banks statement, although I will expand further.

As the N-word has grown to be a word that is partially reclaimed by the people it was once used to demean, it has raised questions by those of other races/ethnic groups whether they too are allowed to use it.

My response?: If one must ask whether or not they can say or use the word, then the answer is no. At my previous school with a majority African-American population, the European-American, Mexican, Guatemalan, and Puerto-Rican students of that school all used the N-word with little consequence. None of them asked whether or not it was "proper" because, given the surrounding culture and situation, as well as their familiarity with one another, it was not neccessary.

This is to be compared to a stranger of, say, German-American ancestry walking up to a group of African Americans and saying, "Wassup my niggas?". There would be a negative response to this.

As in everything, it requires social nuance. Not all Africans/African Americans approve or appreciate the word being used, and they should not be expected to as it is a very heated word. Yet I see no problem with other groups using the word if, just like African Americans or anyone else, they pay attention to the social climate they are in.

black, white, hispanic, asian students in Miami call each other niggas a lot of the time

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

I never use the word personally, but this is a horrible argument.

I grew up hearing the word constantly in my friend circle. I'm not sitting there as an 8 year old thinking "I'm white. I can't say this word." I'm sitting there thinking "My friends all use this word to reference one another. So I should too if I want to fit in."

Well obviously I'm not talking about little kids who don't know what the word means or its origins. I'm talking about people who do and still choose to use it

 

[Replicant]

This tosser will say anything to stay relevant these days. #Pathetic #AttentionHorr

 

[Mercury Fred]

horrible? really? i think thats a bit of a stretch.

Horrible is an understatement. She's one of the most fucked up, evil, deranged public figures active in social media right now. Not exaggerating.