Backwards compatibility is amazing!
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inHallways
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While I imagine that in the original thread denouncing backwards compatibility these two games were chosen somewhat at random, I must say that my desire to play Fifa '95 with friends has in fact in the past caused me to break out my old Megadrive.
It really is an awesome game, albeit viewed through heavily nostalgia-tinted eyes.
On the topic of backwards compatibility: I am a big fan. Being able to reduce the amount of hardware in my living room is a blessing and perhaps more importantly I enjoy the fact that a new console arrives with a broad selection of titles to play on day one. As someone who rarely purchases every platform in a given generation this can be a great incentive to pick up a newly released system.
However, having said all of that, truth be told when I sit back and actually consider how often I have taken advantage of backwards compatibility... it is not very often. Not that this fact reduces my support for the concept, although it may suggest that my interest in it is greater in theory than in practise.
Neuromancer
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Yeah the NHL was trying to clean up its image.
Also, watching a guy lay on the ice twitching while a pool of blood formed under his head after a real bad hit was never not funny.
Holy Order Sol
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#realgamer ?
Not at all.
The game industry trend is now to remake the game to the newer platform, which might mean no backwards compatibility for all future consoles.
CambriaRising
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I don't really need it. Only ever used BC on my Ps3 once.
Love me some BC, but don't really want to play super old games on a brand new console, mainly because of the TV. Playing PS1 games on a PS3 with a large plasma TV? UGH. Same thing if they had GCN compatibility on Wii U. I would rather keep the old hardware and play them on a better looking TV.
Now 360/PS3 BC on 720/PS4 I would love to have...even if it is wishful thinking.
Now 360/PS3 BC on 720/PS4 I would love to have...even if it is wishful thinking.
U n i o n 0015
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Well said. I love BC because I can ditch the old console and catch up on my backlog at the start of a generation. Once the really great games are out, yeah, I don't find myself playing old stuff as often.
RedNumberFive
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So you're recommending that we should repurchase our favorite games every generation? I just want to make sure I'm clear with what you're saying.
BC is one of the best selling points any new hardware can have these days. I would be much more inclined to buy hardware that can play an existing library of games I enjoy.
If physical BC is not possible, at the very least digital BC should be provided. But that can get messy in all sorts of ways...
If physical BC is not possible, at the very least digital BC should be provided. But that can get messy in all sorts of ways...
blitzcloud
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Fixed.
No, really, it's a bad example as they were too similar. It would be almost like saying that a 360 revision with kinect in the console itself has 360 retrocompatibility.
Truth is that retrocompatibility is harder as time goes through and libraries change and all that stuff. Sometimes, if it wasn't for the community effort, some PC games would not be compatible.
So while retrocompatibility is cool and all that, I'd rather not have it if it means hindering the new hardware+software combination.
I'd leave PC as the retrocompatible formula for every hardware. It even enhances the experiences to keep up with the times. FF12 in HD and all that.
so are you suggesting that the Wii U should still have a slot for Famicom cartridges?
U n i o n 0015
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RedNumberFive
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Of course not, don't be disingenuous. I would expect disc games to work on a disc based console.
Backwards compatibility is just fan service. If you want to play your favorite game, play it on the older console or yes, buy the HDified version on the newer one. The console makers should not feel inclined to incorporate every game you loved on the newer system. It holds the newer system back. It increases prices.
Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo want you to buy the newest games. Forcing you to buy the same game again is bullshit, but it's a business.
RedNumberFive
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I'm still waiting on those copies of Ducktales and Contra to appear on the Wii Virtual Console.
DJ_Lae
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I've played far fewer past generation games than I thought I would at the beginning of this gen and was adamant about BC.
I have not even put a Gamecube game in my Wii, the few Xbox games I played on my 360 were kind of janky, and I had the virtual memory cards corrupt twice on me for the PS3, destroying any desire to play another PS2 game again.
About the only system I play previous gen stuff on is the Vita, as PSP games look decent on it and it's the best way to play PS1 stuff.
(DS stuff I play on a DSi, looks ugly as shit on a 3DS or 3DSXL).
I have not even put a Gamecube game in my Wii, the few Xbox games I played on my 360 were kind of janky, and I had the virtual memory cards corrupt twice on me for the PS3, destroying any desire to play another PS2 game again.
About the only system I play previous gen stuff on is the Vita, as PSP games look decent on it and it's the best way to play PS1 stuff.
(DS stuff I play on a DSi, looks ugly as shit on a 3DS or 3DSXL).
Ducktales is never coming to the virtual console, its never going to be released again due to the licensing.
Fortunately I have the cartridge and an NES.
RedNumberFive
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Exactly my point, and a great example of why a DD only future is a horrible, horrible idea. Fortunately, I have the cart as well. According to Mully though, I should quit living in the past, and only play new AAAA titles.
he said if you want to play the old games, play it on the old console. which I agree with
Sentenza
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Honestly? As a PC gamer I don't even think about games as parted in "generations" and to me playing (or re-playing) older ones is almost as common as playing recent ones.
So yeah, to me BC is more than relevant, it's crucial to my enjoyment of this hobby.
RedNumberFive
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No doubt, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a new console would be able to play the previous generations titles (outside of a change to the delivery mechanism).
If you're willing to settle for less, and don't think you deserve better, then great!
Yes, but it's easier to play older games on the PC because the hardware is up to the user, not the producer.
3rdamention
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I am sensing tons of sarcasm in the OP. Either he is being sarcastic and posting this in response to rumors of NO BC next generation, or my sarcasm meter is busted.
Sorry if this is not a serious thread and I assumed it was. This is just how I am reading it.
I love Backwards Compatibility. I just would like any new system to play the previous system's games (that its replacing). I know that seems like entitlement. But it is more habit than entitlement. Most systems have done this in the past, and I just expect it. However, NOT being able to play PS3 games on the PS4 is not going to cause me NOT to buy it. I will buy it and simply play them on my perfectly working PS3 Slim. It is convenient to be able to play the previous system's games on a new system. That is all,,
Sorry if this is not a serious thread and I assumed it was. This is just how I am reading it.
I love Backwards Compatibility. I just would like any new system to play the previous system's games (that its replacing). I know that seems like entitlement. But it is more habit than entitlement. Most systems have done this in the past, and I just expect it. However, NOT being able to play PS3 games on the PS4 is not going to cause me NOT to buy it. I will buy it and simply play them on my perfectly working PS3 Slim. It is convenient to be able to play the previous system's games on a new system. That is all,,
Hobbestetrician
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I bought a used copy of Metroid Prime Trilogy online (for $50, a great price nowadays) but I got screwed because there were two small scratches that made Echoes completely unreadable and made Corruption die about halfway through. I was super pissed but gave it another shot on my Wii U and the disc worked without issue. I don't know why some of the games didn't work on my (launch) Wii because Prime 1 worked flawlessly but I am so happy that I can play the games on my U.
Yeah I really do love it. Loved the VC on Wii also. The Wii essentially let me play all NES, SNES, SEGA, N64, Gamecube classics and more. Wii U will probably have a GC VC. 3DS is also coming to its own with the Gameboy VC and some quality GBA games (ambassador here). Really love it. I wish my PS3 was Bacwards compatible also, I still enjoy PS1 games and wish I could just pop in my favorite PS2 games and play instead of hanging on to my PS2.
Baconsammy
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BC, the rumble of next gen.
Outtrigger888
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It is great, especially since I never bought a Wii. My bro has a lot of Wii games, so I can just borrow from him. Finished through the first galaxy the other month, great game.
The value for me is that much better since wiis still go for around $130 new.
Plus all the games are upscaled, and for the.most part look good.
It also gives owners of the previous system the opportunity to sell it to get the new one cheaper.
The value for me is that much better since wiis still go for around $130 new.
Plus all the games are upscaled, and for the.most part look good.
It also gives owners of the previous system the opportunity to sell it to get the new one cheaper.
Freshmaker
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Under promised and over delivered.
captmcblack
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Legitimate BC is awesome. The ability to place your old games into your new consoles, and sometimes even enhance their playback (sharper graphics, faster loading, bigger screens, etc) is great.
Giving us the ability to buy digital copies of classic games is great too. It's really convenient and worth the expense to just pony up a couple of bucks and be able to play the classic games you don't have already, especially when they are games you might not normally have even had the opportunity to play or purchase.
That said, I don't expect BC ever - it's a nice throw-in when you get it.
That also said, if a hardware mfgr puts BC in their console, they damn well better not:
- take it away later arbitrarily
- nerf it for their benefit/at consumer detriment
I have all of my old consoles...but it's very nice to be able to retire that hardware/preserve it for collector's purposes without losing the ability to playback those classic games legally, and while maintaining my ability to choose to buy/re-buy classic games digitally.
Giving us the ability to buy digital copies of classic games is great too. It's really convenient and worth the expense to just pony up a couple of bucks and be able to play the classic games you don't have already, especially when they are games you might not normally have even had the opportunity to play or purchase.
That said, I don't expect BC ever - it's a nice throw-in when you get it.
That also said, if a hardware mfgr puts BC in their console, they damn well better not:
- take it away later arbitrarily
- nerf it for their benefit/at consumer detriment
I have all of my old consoles...but it's very nice to be able to retire that hardware/preserve it for collector's purposes without losing the ability to playback those classic games legally, and while maintaining my ability to choose to buy/re-buy classic games digitally.
In addition to backwards compatibility, if I can emulate it on my computer, then I can stick the system and games in storage and keep everything on a media center box under the TV.
In a few more years, components capable of emulating most of the Gamecube/PS2 library in HD will be cheap and small enough to nix those systems for good.
In a few more years, components capable of emulating most of the Gamecube/PS2 library in HD will be cheap and small enough to nix those systems for good.
viewtiful_dru
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It's true that the newer Wii's have GC backcompat removed, right?
IdreamofHIME
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Sony dropped the ball big time with BC. They really pioneers with BC on the PS2, amazing stuff playing your PS1 library on the PS2.
I remember posers in game stores using it as a big plus for PS2 against GCN/XBOX.....and then they dropped it like a hot potato for PS3.
So many mistakes made with the PS3, the last two years have been awesome....but it took way too long to find their feet. I hope the same doesn't happen with PS4.
I remember posers in game stores using it as a big plus for PS2 against GCN/XBOX.....and then they dropped it like a hot potato for PS3.
So many mistakes made with the PS3, the last two years have been awesome....but it took way too long to find their feet. I hope the same doesn't happen with PS4.
I probably wouldn't have bough a 3DS or a Vita if they weren't BC. Regards to home consoles, although I've still got pretty much everything I owned from the last 4 generations kicking around there is only so much space under my tv. Was gutted when my launch PS3 kicked the bucket but to be honest the last time I played a PS2 game on it was 2010.
Yes, but the one timer, manual goalie, the brook, the slap shot, god, NHL '94 was glorious.
I still swear there was a hidden feature where your goalie would be on fire or ice cold (not shown by the hot/cold pre-game note) and that won/cost me many games.
Even today on the PS3, PSone emulation is far from perfect. Majority of games will play fine but there are a few that wont boot up at all such as my PAL copy of FFVIII.
Worst of all is that theres no hardware emulation mode to filter the 3D graphics, just bilinear filtering which is nowhere near enough. PSone games actually hold up better than N64 games on emulators such as ePSXe.
Worst of all is that theres no hardware emulation mode to filter the 3D graphics, just bilinear filtering which is nowhere near enough. PSone games actually hold up better than N64 games on emulators such as ePSXe.
SirIgbyCeaser
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PSV is failing because it can't play PSP games..
All nintendo handhelds supported the previous generation.. you're a fool sony. A damn fool to have released PSP 2 without an exchange program outside of japan.
All nintendo handhelds supported the previous generation.. you're a fool sony. A damn fool to have released PSP 2 without an exchange program outside of japan.
I'm surprised by people who disregard BC. What if each music label had their own player, and you could only play exclusive on their player?
And what if you weren't sure you could play that music on the next generation's platform?
This is where we are with consoles. It's really unnerving.
And what if you weren't sure you could play that music on the next generation's platform?
This is where we are with consoles. It's really unnerving.
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