cartographer
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The "but what about history" arguments are getting really, really tired and a little suspicious, tbh.
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Baltimore removes Confederate Monuments overnight
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There's no need to keep them anywhere. You can read about them in history books and see information in museums. There is no need for a monument or statue to glorify them.
Especially knowing when this garbage was erected.
To which I'm just going "do you even know when the statues were built?"
Or, my personal favorite...
Props on Baltimore for doing this fast and in the dead of night. No time for shitheads to protest and cause chaos.
There's more than enough pictures of these statues (and of many of the people they're honoring). We don't need to keep the statues around as well. There's a difference between remembering and glorifying.
Recycle them and make things that are actually worthwhile. Like statues of civil rights leaders.
There's more than enough pictures of these statues (and of many of the people they're honoring). We don't need to keep the statues around as well. There's a difference between remembering and glorifying.
Recycle them and make things that are actually worthwhile. Like statues of civil rights leaders.
If these statues help with learning history, why are so many southerners so profoundly ignorant about the causes and aftermath of the civil war?
Maybe some of the statues taken down in response to Charlottesville could be put in an interesting exhibit about the current flash of white nationalism but they are only interesting because they were actually taken down.
Maybe some of the statues taken down in response to Charlottesville could be put in an interesting exhibit about the current flash of white nationalism but they are only interesting because they were actually taken down.
excelsiorlef
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Oh for God sakes there's like 6000 of these dinky things.
They're not part of US history they're part of erasing US history
The fact that Confederate statues were erected in MARYLAND in the 20th century is, itself, a mark of history and the deeply embedded racism that blossomed in post-reconstruction America. Take photos. Keep records. Maybe save a head or two.
We don't really need to keep them standing, though. The national destruction of Confederate statues in response to the rising tide of white supremacy will also, in time, be a mark of the history we're living right now.
We don't really need to keep them standing, though. The national destruction of Confederate statues in response to the rising tide of white supremacy will also, in time, be a mark of the history we're living right now.
Lightning_Roller
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And why too. As someone said earlier, they were made as a fuck you to civil rights.
When you hear "brother vs brother" for the Civil War, Maryland really is a great example. There was a spot on Culp's Hill in Gettysburg where the 1st Maryland regiment (Union) defended against the 1st Maryland regiment (Confederate). Here's a link to a battlefield monument that describes the battle between them: http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.com/confederate-monuments/confederate-unit-monuments/2nd-maryland/
I don't think we're gonna forget the Civil War or about slavery any time soon
SonicMegaDrive
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Statues should be erected for heroes - for people who did good for the world.
Robert E. Lee was personally responsible for thousands of deaths. All because he wanted to reserve his "god-given" right to own and beat black people. He routinely partook in the practice of separating slave families. He's one of the most cruel white supremacists who ever lived.
His statue should be torched and incinerated until not even a single ash remains.
Robert E. Lee was personally responsible for thousands of deaths. All because he wanted to reserve his "god-given" right to own and beat black people. He routinely partook in the practice of separating slave families. He's one of the most cruel white supremacists who ever lived.
His statue should be torched and incinerated until not even a single ash remains.
Guys, I'm going to put a giant turd statue in front of your house. You should never take it down, because if you take my turd statue down, it won't serve as a reminder of what happens when you let people put up turd statues. So it should remain, to remind you that I want you to know I can keep my shit on a pedestal.
Mammoth Jones
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I mean taking down these statues is fine and all I just don't like the conversation now shifts (in the media not this thread) to discussing and debating removing the statues instead of discussion about the fact there's a not insignificant amount of people willing to openly celebrate and participate in groups with stated goals of committing acts of mass genocide.
So take em down but let's not forget they were out up by people that wanted to celebrate people wanting to own other people. And that sentiment of wanting to dominate is still with some folks. Sad state of affairs.
So take em down but let's not forget they were out up by people that wanted to celebrate people wanting to own other people. And that sentiment of wanting to dominate is still with some folks. Sad state of affairs.
balladofwindfishes
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The storage for these things is making me laugh, considering these are mass produced cheap statues.
"Here's rows 42B and 42C of our collection, they feature 35 identical statues produced in a factory in Virginia in the early 1900s. 42B-0012-0 is a particularly unique piece, as it has droppings from the now extinct Carolina Parakeet on it"
I just don't see the point in preserving them. They're not even particularly good or interesting statues, even without the hate and bigotry attached to them. They don't have stories or history about them. They just exist.
It's possible, but in Baltimore's case the city's been working on removing these statues and renaming locations named after the Confederacy for a few years now. Public opinion was already turning against these monuments so it may be that they just went ahead and expedited the process after recent events.
Didn't know about that though, interesting stuff...
Most of them aren't even that old.
Seriously. It makes sense to keep a Roman era statue around because it might be the only statue of that person in existence, but this? We've got statues of Jefferson Davis coming out of the ass!
Like I can get keeping one around in some museum, but ALL OF THEM? If nothing else, that's insane simply based on how much space they'd take up.
Radiant Silvertuna
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I love this. No fanfare, just getting it done. Erase this stain on civilization.
Good ol' Streisand effect.
Streisand effect always wins.
AngmarsKing701
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Baltimore has enough problems with their homicide rate. Getting this off their checklist just means one less reason for someone to start shooting.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
We've got plenty of pictures. Slag all of the fucking things and turn the metal into something useful.
I hope they melt them down so they can be made into something useful.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Anyone still making the argument that the statues need to be around because history need to read this:
https://twitter.com/NaithanJones/status/897621012505931776
All of it.
https://twitter.com/NaithanJones/status/897621012505931776
All of it.
RichiRamjag
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Yeah, I love history, but people are on some bullshit here. History isn't changed because of a statue.
It's apathy at best, dog whistling at worst
Gotdatmoney
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Not even a little suspicious. It's plainly racist. Anyone making this argument is not a friend of minorities or liberty. They're just racists. Yes, all of them.
starchild excalibur
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Take a Polaroid of them for historical preservation and blow up the statue.
Neuromancer
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There was a vote in this case:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/...e-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
I'm usually the one here more or less saying this line. However, there's a difference when it comes to nearly all these Civil War statues. They were created after the fact to essentially rewrite the past to show the Confederacy in a positive light. The removal of these statues is a step to restore the history that's been altered and disfigured over the years. Keeping the statues up would be to 'forget our horrid, racist past'.
The statues are like if someone took a history book, whited-out the unsavory bits, and wrote in their own commentary.
Fake edit: Just think about how many people you've probably seen over the years claim something about 'southern heritage [but not the slavery parts]' or how the civil war wasn't fought over slavery but rather 'state rights'. These statues contribute to that exact smokescreen of bullshit.
Like toilets.
Take 2 other polaroids of blowing up the statue and put them next to the other for historical preservation.
mckmas8808
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I'd pay $20 to witness this in person. And $9.99 to watch it on a stream on my PC or phone.
Vincent Alexander
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They should have replaced the statues with Rosa Parks. See how long until people notice.
Vicetrailia
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Vincent Alexander
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These statues and people's stance on them is further proof that we really need to work on educating this country...but it is damn hard to get through to people. Where I came from, a small town of 1000, we were surrounded by adults who buy into a lot of this bullshit about the "history" and "heritage" of the confederacy. And they pass it on to their children. And school doesn't oppose this view at all, until you get to college IF you take history classes that happen to focus on the civil war and the aftermath all the way into the 1900s. Where do you fit in an opposing viewpoint? Some of these people hear nothing to say otherwise of their beliefs until they're adults.
Just kind of rambling...
Just kind of rambling...
They want America to take down the pyramids?
tonysidaway
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I think you just Rule Thirty-foured the Confederacy.
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