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Banjo-Threeie Debut Trailer!
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This ol' chestnut huh.RiskyChris said:
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Banjo-Kazooie.com updated with a few new pics
CowboyAstronaut
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Shockgamer said:
So you are only interested in games that will cause a big fuss sales wise? :lol
I'm sorry, but that's quite sad.
Screw the haters Banjo is back and not just a high res version of its old self. The game needed a change and I'm happy Rare had the balls to make it happen.
RattleHead_
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This thread? Yep.Dark Octave said:
Crushed, people are disappointed because there seems to be significantly less emphasis placed on the platforming abilities of the bear and bird themselves. Everything is vehicle this, creation that. Fans loved the magic that transformed Banjo and Kazooie INTO whatever they needed to get the Jiggy or whatever.
The PLATFORMING might be there, but Banjo and Kazooie themselves have been seemingly "nerfed". I mean, fuck, people were imagining how it would be if Banjo and Kazooie were in SSBB, or a Microsoft equivalent to that game. Now what moves would they have?
This isn't Banjo-Threeie, and I think this game is named appropriately so. It just seems as much of a main Banjo game as Grunty's Revenge (GBA) was now.
Nobody's arguing that this game doesn't look varied or like a platformer, really. They're just arguing that it's not Banjo in the same way people would be complaining if Super Mario Land was only just those underwater or air levels with Mario shooting shit in that suit.
The PLATFORMING might be there, but Banjo and Kazooie themselves have been seemingly "nerfed". I mean, fuck, people were imagining how it would be if Banjo and Kazooie were in SSBB, or a Microsoft equivalent to that game. Now what moves would they have?
This isn't Banjo-Threeie, and I think this game is named appropriately so. It just seems as much of a main Banjo game as Grunty's Revenge (GBA) was now.
Nobody's arguing that this game doesn't look varied or like a platformer, really. They're just arguing that it's not Banjo in the same way people would be complaining if Super Mario Land was only just those underwater or air levels with Mario shooting shit in that suit.
The Innocent X
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Socreges said:
Better that than to dismiss a game based on the first trailer. I dismiss nothing till it's reviewed, and some things not even then
Opus Angelorum
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Agent Icebeezy said:
Beautiful!
CrunchinJelly
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Stop making sense.1-D_FTW said:
AZ Greg
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Naturally, if the game turns out well, I'll buy it despite the new direction.
But as of now, I'm disappointed. I was hoping for a more straightforward next-gen revitalization. Much like PDZ, but without the suck. The graphics whore inside me isn't exactly blown away either. Both Ratchet and Kameo look better IMO. At least based off of what we've seen.
But as of now, I'm disappointed. I was hoping for a more straightforward next-gen revitalization. Much like PDZ, but without the suck. The graphics whore inside me isn't exactly blown away either. Both Ratchet and Kameo look better IMO. At least based off of what we've seen.
How you can even compare this to YI is beyond stupid. Those segments lasted all of like 15 seconds, and weren't all that commonplace. Vehicles are dominating the new BK. Major difference.abacab driver said:Exactly.
Ahh bitter tears taste like candy.
Props to Rare for making a HUGE step pushing the genre forward.
When other developers on other systems 'borrow' the idea Im sure the haters will get it.
RiskyChris
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cjelly said:
Almost every single (maybe every?) move you could do in Mario 64 you could do in B-K, iirc.
Why is everything so.... flat? The city looked ok, but when they got to the outdoor areas with flat low res textures for the ground with repeating patterns. the trees, the landscape... I can't even tell if it's bad art design, bad tech or both. Maybe it's the vehicles, they had to create big, flat arenas for them to get around? it looks like a badly designed game from the past, with some accurate shadows and that "shine" to make it look next gen. Hopefully other videos look better than this.
I don't know how the game will PLAY, but I can tell you guys that this idea of platforming with vehicles NEVER works out nearly as well as just plain platforming. They're always harder to control, especially with precision.
I don't know how the game will PLAY, but I can tell you guys that this idea of platforming with vehicles NEVER works out nearly as well as just plain platforming. They're always harder to control, especially with precision.
GitarooMan
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Read the 1up preview.Loudninja said:
Creating the vehicles looks awesome, a fuckton of potential there no doubt. Not so sure about Kazooie's moves being taken out, though...but I'll play it before I pass judgement. Also, for the love of God I hope that the framerate improves...let's not have another Tooie on our hands...
That being said, bring on November
That being said, bring on November
Francias Castiglione
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Agent Icebeezy said:Banjo-Kazooie.com updated with a few new pics
RAAAAGH they've reduced Kazooie to some sort of helper..... wait
MisterHero
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See? People loved BK.Scarecrow said:
I'm ALL for Rare doing what they want with BK3(whatever title they have now), but the N64 game was awesome.
flarkminator
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Oh my god that looks like a lot of fun. I cannot believe people are hating this. Only neogaf.
beelzebozo
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looks pretty awesome. the only thing i'm not so sure about is the vehicle-building, which evoked a distinct "gummi-ship" feeling. maybe it's unfounded, but it was just the first thing that popped in my head when i saw it in action.
RiskyChris
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Darunia said:
It has nothing to do with Nintendo fans, what the hell is with the stereotyping in this thread?
This is about Banjo fans wondering why the fuck the main characters are practically helpless?
The vehicles feel like a shoehorned mechanic when you nerf your protagonists to match.
That sounds fucking brilliant, with the lack of character moves and all. I can't wait to run around that sprawling landscape without a vehicle! Hey guess what, you can also play through MGS4 in first-person mode. You wouldn't want to, but you can!Crushed said:
Dark Octave
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Ok now these pics look a lot better. That's nice.
RiskyChris
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Crushed said:
Do you not remember how praised M64 was for having varying acrobatic abilities?
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RiskyChris said:
And how well did that work out for Rare? Mario 64 is considered a classic and still to this day one of the best platformers of all time. Banjo Kazooie on the other hand....well it was just there.
It should also be noted that while Mario could get through nearly the entire game just on his original moveset BK had to keep adding in new abilities and powers in order to get anywhere.
So why attempt that route again when Rare can simply build on their strengths and do something else?
CurseoftheGods
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I am not too sure what to think of the trailer. Looks like it could be fun, I guess (I never played a Dark Cloud game). :\
lol @ the abuse of the Comic Sans font.
lol @ the abuse of the Comic Sans font.
RiskyChris
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PepsimanVsJoe said:
Because each level in BK was amazing and played well to the abilities of B-K, that's why.
Sure it doesn't have the fanbase that M64 does, but does that make it an inferior game?
Shut the hell up, you haven't a fucking clue what is in my head, and trying to call it over my posts here is stupid if you think that a few paragraphs encompasses my entire opinion on rare and their treatment of Banjo 3.Ghost said:
Fact is, Rare have a lot to prove, but they also have a damn lot of talent there, I honestly feel that they trying hard, VERY hard to make Banjo 3 the best game they could, I just have my doubts for one reason:
Rare have set out to make Banjo 3 as far removed from their N64 efforts as possible, possibly because they don't want to be labled as a developer that just Apes what Ninty do, fair enough, but they need to justify the shifts too, and in my view they may have taken it too far.
Part of the thing that made Banjo Kazooie (And Tooie) great to me was the character interaction, whether it be flying, rolling Banjo about, or the little moves (Like the peck jumps etc), it was an excellent move-set and done a great deal to connect you to the duo, as much as Rare would love it not to be, a vehicle puts an obstruction between you and the characters, you no longer have direct control, and for me, it could throw the balance of the game.
Now of course they could make the vehicles so integral that it feels like an extension of the characters, that would be an excellent achievement and is a game making or breaking part of the game. I fully hope that Rare can do it, hell, my UK Dev Defence Force membership includes love for the Twycross lads, but after all this time I can't sake the feeling that Rare have lost all direction, and this is the best they could knock up after being pressured by the overlords at MS, but that will become clear as the game gets closer to release.
I enjoyed BK more than Mario 64, much more, there I said it.PepsimanVsJoe said:
Rocksteady33
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Agent Icebeezy said:
AKA Viva Pinata bombed and Microsoft said they'd saw our nuts off if we didn't do something that would sell.