RiskyChris
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Evolution of the genre? No, it's not quite the same but:
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Banjo-Threeie Debut Trailer!
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Haeleos
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This game looks pretty fun. Here's hoping it has some sort of multiplayer, because this game begs to have the retarded penis-mobiles people make battle it out. You would never see a game like this on Nintendo's console for that reason.
I haven't played any Banjo games before though, so sorry Crushed that I can't help you defend it that much... but people are really close minded if they don't think this game by itself has a huge amount of potential to it. Like someone else said, it's the reason you guys whine about the rehashes that are released each year. You make developers scared to innovate.
Some criticism though. The environments need some touching up imo. I could see this from the screenshots released yesterday. It looks like a giant checkerboard of green with a repetitive balloon tree model plopped randomly everywhere. Needs to be a bit more dynamic with the scenery (I realize for gameplay reasons they probably want the area to be accessible to vehicles, but it's actually detracting from the animated cartoon style a bit).
It's the same thing that happens in World of Warcraft when you look at the water from really high up, it's one tile of repeating animation, repeated several times and it just isn't that visually appealing when your game is based on flying in this case.
But kudos to Rare I think this looks great.
I haven't played any Banjo games before though, so sorry Crushed that I can't help you defend it that much... but people are really close minded if they don't think this game by itself has a huge amount of potential to it. Like someone else said, it's the reason you guys whine about the rehashes that are released each year. You make developers scared to innovate.
Some criticism though. The environments need some touching up imo. I could see this from the screenshots released yesterday. It looks like a giant checkerboard of green with a repetitive balloon tree model plopped randomly everywhere. Needs to be a bit more dynamic with the scenery (I realize for gameplay reasons they probably want the area to be accessible to vehicles, but it's actually detracting from the animated cartoon style a bit).
It's the same thing that happens in World of Warcraft when you look at the water from really high up, it's one tile of repeating animation, repeated several times and it just isn't that visually appealing when your game is based on flying in this case.
But kudos to Rare I think this looks great.
Speevy said:
Okay kids, meant to say HD. Edited. Thanks.Steroyd said:There were 2D BK games!?
I regardless of what you want, I think you can recognize that many of the people who are complaining about this new direction with Banjo would complain about a BK HD.RiskyChris said:
But, let's get real: It's a new decade (yes, I know Banjo 2 came out in 2000), and people expect and want different things from their games. Gaming has evolved. Rare has decided to take the series in a different direction, and I think that most people who are able to look beyond "OMG ITS DIFFERENT" can recognize that it looks pretty interesting.
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FabCam said:
Yes, you are correct. Rare isn't afraid to stray from the beaten path. No, that isn't strange, it's called trying to do something original.
abacab driver
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And another great/positive preview.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/banjokazooie/news.html?sid=6190499&tag=top_stories;title;0
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/banjokazooie/news.html?sid=6190499&tag=top_stories;title;0
MisterHero
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Do the decent GBA games count?Steroyd said:There were 2D BK games!?
VideoMan
30% Failure Rate
Well add me to the Haters column. Crap. I wanted a new platformer soooooo bad. This is not a platformer.
Now my only hope is that they release BK and BT on Virtual Console so I can get my platforming fix. I never got more than 20% into BT so it would be mostly a new experience. Plus it'd save me $40 because they would only be $10 apiece.
Now my only hope is that they release BK and BT on Virtual Console so I can get my platforming fix. I never got more than 20% into BT so it would be mostly a new experience. Plus it'd save me $40 because they would only be $10 apiece.
Man, this is depressing.
Vehicle focus
"Sandbox style" puzzle solving
Apparent downplaying (removal?) of pure Banjo/Kazooie moves.
I thought that Banjo-Tooie was worse than the original because of too much focus on shooting, and many other things (it's been a while since I've replayed it, whereas I've replayed through BK at least 3 times in the last year and a half). This (B:NaB) is just sad. The game could be fantastic (as in technically impressive, with good control, sound, story, etc...), but that doesn't change the fact that I just lost all hype for this. I was buying a 360 with my stimulus check for this. Not happening anymore.
Vehicle focus
"Sandbox style" puzzle solving
Apparent downplaying (removal?) of pure Banjo/Kazooie moves.
I thought that Banjo-Tooie was worse than the original because of too much focus on shooting, and many other things (it's been a while since I've replayed it, whereas I've replayed through BK at least 3 times in the last year and a half). This (B:NaB) is just sad. The game could be fantastic (as in technically impressive, with good control, sound, story, etc...), but that doesn't change the fact that I just lost all hype for this. I was buying a 360 with my stimulus check for this. Not happening anymore.
Opus Angelorum
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@ FabCam
If Ratchet & Clank is a traditional platformer, Crysis is a train simulator.
If Ratchet & Clank is a traditional platformer, Crysis is a train simulator.
Eh, screens look awesome but the trailer did very little for me. The framerate is a mess and the vehicles look really slow. I'm not opposed to vehicles if they're fun to use, and the trailer didn't give me a good vibe. Maybe it was just the way the trailer was edited.
I'll still buy it but I'm cautiously optimistic.
I'll still buy it but I'm cautiously optimistic.
This is a big disappointment for Banjo fans who were hoping for a true successor to the first two games. What we seem to be getting judging from the trailer is a game about sending custom-built vehicles out into a warzone with the name "Banjo Kazooie" slapped on for brand recognition.
Not to mention the original art style is almost totally lost. They've traded out colorful organic environments for a boring metal workshop aesthetic. I'll pass, thanks.
Not to mention the original art style is almost totally lost. They've traded out colorful organic environments for a boring metal workshop aesthetic. I'll pass, thanks.
Opus Angelorum
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Crushed said:
:lol
Yeah, I only bought GTAIV because all the previews were awful...oh wait.
Crushed said:
I think the subtitle presents a good enough clue that Rare wants fans to think of this game in a different way.
See: Subtitles which describe some element of the storyline
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblvion
vs.
subtitles which are used to describe a notable gameplay departure
Viva Pinata: Party Animals
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
Then you have the games which are simply given numbers because the company wants you to see it as the next step, or perhaps the definitive edition of the franchise, usually in the case that the story has no continuity
GTA 4
Ninja Gaiden 2
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Opus Angelorum said:
Isn't it though?
Here we have Microsoft's Gamer's Day which features games from a variety of different genres using a full range of color-palettes and starring characters with any amount of hair.
Yet at the same time we still have the same old song & dance about Xbox developers only making games for the "guns & boobs" crowd and they're all in brown & grey starring bald space marines.
And Rare? Rare can't seem to shake the idea that they're only good for platformers and they've been shit since the end of the N64 era. Despite the fact that they've made zero platformers so far this gen people expected them to deliver the most concentrated shot of platforming goodness since Galaxy. Fortunately Rare seems to be taking all of this in stride.
For some strange reason game developers don't like doing what the fans want. Nintendo has stated this multiple times. What's stopping Rare from doing the same? Especially when they have the freedom to do something that actually takes advantage of the hardware they're working on?
Mango Positive said:
I'd be really surprised if the people who made Mario Galaxy were even paying attention to this trailer at all. That doesn't make it funny or clever. I got the joke the first time when Conker cut the 'N' logo in half.
There is no Mario killer. And I hope this game is great, but nothing in that trailer (or additional video or previews) leads me to believe it'll come anywhere close to Galaxy. Which is fine, it doesn't have to. All it has to be is fun.
Rocksteady33
Junior Member
Crushed said:
It can go both ways. Great previews can result in a great game, but great previews can also result in a shitty one as well.
Regardless I wouldn't say the initial impressions are the best to judge off of either, especially in this case when it seems the focus was just journalists building and experimenting with different vehicles and then playing them in multiplayer. Yay, very Banjo like.
RiskyChris
Banned
Crushed said:
Why are you so adamant to ignore the reasons why people want their platforming to be done on foot instead of some crazy amalgamation of manbearpig and machine?
Opus Angelorum
Member
PepsimanVsJoe said:
Post null and void.
OK, maybe using Ratchet was a bad idea. But it still has large platforming elements, they didn't completely change it up. If this new vehicle thing was an extended part of a platforming game, I'm fine with it. However, if the whole game revolves around building some gummi ship thing, I'm pissed that they strayed too far from what made Banjo amazing.
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I'm a huge fan of the originals and I see this as a true successor. Both BK and BT had tons of minigames and other alternate forms of play, and this looks to be expanding on that. Neither was ever "just" a 3D platformer.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Opus Angelorum said:
Apparently my sarcasm needs a level-up or something.
Flesh Into Gear
Member
Opus Angelorum said:
I reckon that was some sarcasm.
Keep up the good fight Crushed. As a big BK fan I'm excited. Rare isn't just throwing this vehicle shit in as some shallow gimmick, its going to be deep and awesome.
Hmmm.
I think I agree with the comments about thinking this should have been a new IP. Yes, Banjo had transformative powers in the previous games, but it still felt very explorative in the platform/adventure mould. This looks way, way more action orientated.
I'm really curious to see how the vehicle building slant pans out and how they leverage it in the game. I'm not entirely convinced by the debut trailer - there needs to be more payoff than just building vehicles and driving them around levels firing at things. A lot more. (I know that isn't all they show, but it seems that's predominant..everything else seems like pushing stuff around or picking things up, 'go-for' gameplay..which is fine, but there's only so many variants of that that you can have before risking repetitiveness).
I think they need to do more work on the interface too.
Also, I'm not as impressed with it graphically as I figured I would be looking at the screenshots. Some bits look good, some bits look odd. It's more of a style thing I think, than anything technical - just parts of it sport odd mixes of colour and odd mixes of style IMO.
I think simply creating vehicles and seeing how they work in the world should be good fun and have value in and of itself though.
I think I agree with the comments about thinking this should have been a new IP. Yes, Banjo had transformative powers in the previous games, but it still felt very explorative in the platform/adventure mould. This looks way, way more action orientated.
I'm really curious to see how the vehicle building slant pans out and how they leverage it in the game. I'm not entirely convinced by the debut trailer - there needs to be more payoff than just building vehicles and driving them around levels firing at things. A lot more. (I know that isn't all they show, but it seems that's predominant..everything else seems like pushing stuff around or picking things up, 'go-for' gameplay..which is fine, but there's only so many variants of that that you can have before risking repetitiveness).
I think they need to do more work on the interface too.
Also, I'm not as impressed with it graphically as I figured I would be looking at the screenshots. Some bits look good, some bits look odd. It's more of a style thing I think, than anything technical - just parts of it sport odd mixes of colour and odd mixes of style IMO.
I think simply creating vehicles and seeing how they work in the world should be good fun and have value in and of itself though.
Opus Angelorum
Member
PepsimanVsJoe said:
I thought it was out of character!
Seriously though, everything is fair game in this thread. The circus is in town, let's go crazy!
CurseoftheGods
Banned
Why didn't they name it Banjo Kazooie 3: Nuts and Bolts? After all, it is the official sequel according to Crushed.
Don't take this post too seriously, Crushed. I am just playing devil's advocate.
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Opus Angelorum said:
hummm, kinda think of it.....it is
Nicktals said:
They make it sound like awfully big taste to me by stressing the size of the hub-world. But I guess I can understand that people are dissapointed if they wanted the whole game to be the same old stuff they played before.
Edit: I admit that I never played the old games.
Opus Angelorum
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~Devil Trigger~ said:
:lol
Time to bail out, I don't know whether to laugh or cry any more.
Uncle said:
I guess that's the biggest issue I have, why on earth do people insist on playing same damn game every generation?
You twatburgers are everything I hate about the industry sometimes.
You have TWO good Banjo games. Rare is trying something new. I'm not even going to postulate about the quality of what they're doing, but I'm VERY happy to see them doing something new. Why do you want them to continually crap old designs over again in a new HD coat?
Give them a freaking break. Maybe you'll like BANJO 3 better than Banjo 1 and 2 and then you'll have to stab your eyes out and sleep with your mother.
You have TWO good Banjo games. Rare is trying something new. I'm not even going to postulate about the quality of what they're doing, but I'm VERY happy to see them doing something new. Why do you want them to continually crap old designs over again in a new HD coat?
Give them a freaking break. Maybe you'll like BANJO 3 better than Banjo 1 and 2 and then you'll have to stab your eyes out and sleep with your mother.
polyh3dron
Banned
Holy shit this looks awesome...
Rare am redeemed?
Rare am redeemed?