MisterHero
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Banjo is clearly shagging a pole and not platforming.
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Opus Angelorum
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bigmakstudios said:
Read. The definition of abilities is clearly getting confused.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
GitarooMan said:
i'm so tired of people being on lbp's jock. it better come out and be completely, devastatingly incredible, or the past year of podcasts and message board posts will be proven to have been filled with worthless words.
tfur
Member
I don't know what's worse... The hating or the people trying to force someone to love this game...
I think Banjo looks cute as shit, and I like his model design. The graphics look pretty good, although there are issues. This is still in production, there is plenty of time for improvement.
His animation looks tight as well. I was not overly impressed with the stills, but in motion it is much better.
There are a few things that remind me of Ratchet, which is a compliment.
Looks like a cute game...
I think Banjo looks cute as shit, and I like his model design. The graphics look pretty good, although there are issues. This is still in production, there is plenty of time for improvement.
His animation looks tight as well. I was not overly impressed with the stills, but in motion it is much better.
There are a few things that remind me of Ratchet, which is a compliment.
Looks like a cute game...
Francias Castiglione
Banned
bigmakstudios said:
They have been cut back, not removed. I would imagine the basics are still there, just not the more elaborate stuff.
Oh and Kazooie is a FEMALE.
jump_button
Banned
when was a step back ever the future of anything?
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
omg rite said:
And it's such a birden to read!
GitarooMan
Member
I'm right there with you on that, but I generally keep quiet about it so as not to awaken the hounds.beelzebozo said:
CowboyAstronaut
Banned
If Little Big Planet or Home wasn't console exclusive and made by EA and appearing on the PS3/360/PC, neither of them would get 1/10th of the hype surrounding them.
Lets try this again. If Killzone 2 wasn't a PS3 exclusive and Guerilla Games were instead bought by EA and the game was being released on the 360/PS3/PC it wouldn't be getting 1/1000th of the hype it's getting either because people would actually acknowledge the travesty that was the first overhyped mess of a game in the series. People would instead choose to keep their expectations in check regardless of how fantastic the graphics looked , but then the graphics and PS3 exclusive are pretty much the only reasons people are talking about that game isn't it? :lol
See how easy that is to do while ignoring what makes either of those things mentioned promising?
Even if this game wasn't called Banjo or was a platform exclusive, this game would still be getting love from people like myself that like these kinds of games. It looks great despite whatever the haters want to say. If this was Banjo HD with nothing new and pretty much the same exact thing as the 64 titles, the same people would be here trolling it for being too similar and not trying to do anything new.
abacab driver
Banned
jump_button said:
Thats seriously what you got from that quote? :lol
You can't convince someone they're wrong because they interpret something differently than you. I'm sure someone somewhere would look at Metroid Prime with a Mario skin and say it's a natural progression of the series. Hopefully Rare will be able to hold those people and bring in enough new fans to get some decent sales on the game but I won't be buying this and I can understand why a lot of other fans of the series won't as well.Opus Angelorum said:
Loonz
Member
Having loved the N64 Banjos, I've watched the trailer and the other videos of this new Banjo game and I don't like it, at all.
Yeah, you can have fun experimenting with all the pieces of vehicles, creating new ones and all of that, sure. But that's not what I expect from a Banjo game. In fact, I don't want to turn upside down junk to make a vehicle to reach some high place when I could do that by miself before, I don't want to customize anything in my platform game, nor build anything for fuck's sake.
If I want to build something I play Sim City, not Banjo. If I want to customize something I play Need for Speed or Forza Motorsport, not Banjo. Why do I have to shoot guns in my platform game?... there are plenty of other games to shoot things. I'm sorry, but I don't understand all of this changes in my beloved game.
I'm not feeling a lot the art style they are choosing for the game also. But that is the very least ot its problems IMO. It could grow on me. But the "go&create&blow-things-away" part... I don't think so.
And STFU Crushed, you are being a fucken idiot in this whole thread. If someone has something to say about what we have saw of the game, being good or bad, has the right to freely express himself without a bunch of angry disagreeing people coming after him for doing it.
Yeah, you can have fun experimenting with all the pieces of vehicles, creating new ones and all of that, sure. But that's not what I expect from a Banjo game. In fact, I don't want to turn upside down junk to make a vehicle to reach some high place when I could do that by miself before, I don't want to customize anything in my platform game, nor build anything for fuck's sake.
If I want to build something I play Sim City, not Banjo. If I want to customize something I play Need for Speed or Forza Motorsport, not Banjo. Why do I have to shoot guns in my platform game?... there are plenty of other games to shoot things. I'm sorry, but I don't understand all of this changes in my beloved game.
I'm not feeling a lot the art style they are choosing for the game also. But that is the very least ot its problems IMO. It could grow on me. But the "go&create&blow-things-away" part... I don't think so.
And STFU Crushed, you are being a fucken idiot in this whole thread. If someone has something to say about what we have saw of the game, being good or bad, has the right to freely express himself without a bunch of angry disagreeing people coming after him for doing it.
jump_button
Banned
abacab driver said:
yeah and look at how good we use to be now look at us..........
Drinky Crow
Banned
all this whining and no-one addresses the REAL complaint: WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY USING GODAWFUL COMIC SANS AS AN IN-GAME FONT?? what sort of cut-rate visual designer actually uses comic sans IN A FUCKING GAME!
CowboyAstronaut
Banned
JKBii said:
What other fans of the series? :lol
Drinky I don't know... why do other developers use other well known fonts in their games?
Opus Angelorum
Member
JKBii said:
Nice post.
I'm not trying to convince anyone, in all honesty I'm just trying to figure out why anyone is against innovation if it moves the genre forward.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Drinky Crow said:
We went into that in the other thread. I even posted an Achewood about it!
CowboyAstronaut
Banned
I think the sooner that everyone who is actually interested in this game realizes this the better things will be from here on out.
Majority of the people currently in this thread have never been interested in this game and feel this is their opportunity to get their shots in while they can
I'm done arguing though. Fantastic job Rare.
Majority of the people currently in this thread have never been interested in this game and feel this is their opportunity to get their shots in while they can
I'm done arguing though. Fantastic job Rare.
Drinky Crow
Banned
no, it emphatically does NOT work -- it turns a reasonably polished UI into a middle-school party flyer. comic sans is an ugly, unbalanced, poorly-kerned font that should be SCOURED WITH FIRE from all of creation.
evilromero
Member
I'm just curious- have you leveled any criticism towards the videos? I'm pretty excited about the game but I'm surprised by your consistent dismissal of every negative reaction.Crushed said:
Banjo Kazooie is such an old franchise that a game like that would be well appreciated if for nothing but nostagia. Look at how well received New Super Mario Brothers is for offering the same thing the original offered. There are way too few platformers right now if you're looking forward to a sequel to one of the best platforming series of two generations ago, chances are you want more things to be the same than to be changed.CowboyAstronaut said:
Opus Angelorum
Member
JKBii said:
Clearly there are two different groups of gamers, because I most certainly do not.
rollingstart
Banned
Crushed said:
exactly why Jokewood would fit in the game.
Darunia said:
I think it looks bad, almost like a gorilla with short arms who may have been dropped as a baby.
The Spacepope
Member
I'm a huge Rare and Banjo fanboy, and I'm loving this new direction. If Rare would have basically released Banjo-Kazooie HD people would have complained that it's too similiar. Rare always seem to attract the worst haters...
Barbacoatl
Banned
Wow, people are late to the 'ban comic sans' party. Banjo looks pretty good.
Pretty, pretty, pretty good.
Pretty, pretty, pretty good.
Interesting...
As someone who enjoyed the previous Banjo platformers so much. I'm really disappointed with the direction they took for this title. The gameplay itself seems interesting, but it feels absolutely wrong to call this a "Banjo" game. It could very well turn out to be a great game, but it still won't be a Banjo game.
For example, what made Metroid Prime so great was that it took the fundamental gameplay of the previous Metroid games, and translated it well in 3-D and first person. I simply don't see the same in this particular case, but to be fair, I haven't played the game at all.
We'll have to see how this turns out, but right now I'm in the camp that believes a new Rare IP should've been used for this game instead of the Banjo-Kazooie name.
As someone who enjoyed the previous Banjo platformers so much. I'm really disappointed with the direction they took for this title. The gameplay itself seems interesting, but it feels absolutely wrong to call this a "Banjo" game. It could very well turn out to be a great game, but it still won't be a Banjo game.
For example, what made Metroid Prime so great was that it took the fundamental gameplay of the previous Metroid games, and translated it well in 3-D and first person. I simply don't see the same in this particular case, but to be fair, I haven't played the game at all.
We'll have to see how this turns out, but right now I'm in the camp that believes a new Rare IP should've been used for this game instead of the Banjo-Kazooie name.
Well, I guess I understand wanting to see more jumping, that would be nice, as well as more enemies. There is also a certain emptiness in parts, and the framerate could use work. I also hope that customizing your own vehicle is actually rewarding as opposed to having only a few "winning" designs.evilromero said:
Oh, and Comic Sans is a pretty meh font in the UIs, I agree about that. But "meh" is better than the "holy shit why" response any of the other 99.99% of the time Comic Sans is used.
BenjaminBirdie said:
Instead of:
Nicktals said:
I meant:
Nicktals said:
Oh, and speaking of assumptions:
Crushed said:
Yeah, since I haven't watched any videos. Yet you think you know what I was trying to say? :lol
I'm not sure why you can't see, based on the discussion which had been going on, what I meant by jumping.
Guybrush Threepwood said:
Just quoting you, but a lot of people quoted me on the linear comment. My main point was that the objectives were linear. There is one, maybe two ways to complete the objectives. It's not open. It's pre-set by the developers.
My secondary point was that the level progression is fairly linear. Everything is not open to you at once. The levels in themselves aren't all that linear (you can typically collect the jiggy's in any order), but the level progression is. You have to learn this move before you can access this section of the hub. You have to collect this many notes to open the door. You have to collect this many Jiggys to open this level. To me, that's pretty linear. If I said that the levels themselves were linear then I take it back. The objectives themselves are linear, and the progression is fairly linear.
Oh, and I just played through (Missing 13 notes out of the 900) BK about a month ago.
MightyHedgehog
Member
More of this would have been better to show off in the new trailer as it focuses on more of what people want to see (platforming) and shows off nice vehicle footage that is actually interesting without the cool but over-adrenalized theme music. Plus, that first trailer looks so herky-jerky and unpolished, but also makes the gameplay look kind of pointless and shallow by just focusing on lots of boring-looking clips. Cut better trailers, folks.Crushed said:
UncleGuito
Banned
Looks great (the platforming aspect, anyways). I'm not too sure about the vehicles, though.
And I'm not surprised to see all the biased scum seeping from the GAF woodwork. Nice to see people bitching about nonsense.
And I'm not surprised to see all the biased scum seeping from the GAF woodwork. Nice to see people bitching about nonsense.
GitarooMan
Member
It's very possible the new game will have level progression like this to, although it's not entirely clear yet.Nicktals said:
Opus Angelorum said:
Because, to me, vehicles don't belong as a focus in a BK game.
I also don't believe it moves the genre forward.
I feel it adds unnecessary vehicles, and, to me, an unwanted gameplay change (the building/customization).
I would have been happy with more of the same. I would have been happier if they had found a way to move the genre forward without, how I interpret it, going against the basics of the franchise.
I really can't wait to play this game.
A platforming hub gta style world mixed with creating your own vehicles to replace fixed ability's which whatever you want. I'm guessing a tonne of varied gameplay elements and challenges/mini games/tasks.
I can not wait.
I'm on Crushed side of the line, whats not to like, great looking gaming thats bring something new and creative for us to play.
Want something more familiar you probably already own it so go and play that.
A platforming hub gta style world mixed with creating your own vehicles to replace fixed ability's which whatever you want. I'm guessing a tonne of varied gameplay elements and challenges/mini games/tasks.
I can not wait.
I'm on Crushed side of the line, whats not to like, great looking gaming thats bring something new and creative for us to play.
Want something more familiar you probably already own it so go and play that.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Nicktals said:
Fair enough, we have different requirements.
TheGrayGhost
Banned
lol, *look, he jumps THERE.... and... THERE!!! PLATFORMING CONFIRMED!!!!* Well that's just great.
i had actually pointed out the use of comic sans a while ago, hereDrinky Crow said:
however, in some of the footage the font has been changed to 'digital strip' which is a decent looking comic font although it usually works best for speech bubbles and is rarely ever used for UIs. seems like they're still struggling to find a fitting font.
MisterHero
Super Member
QFTsp0rsk said:
abacab driver
Banned
Nicktals said:
This is precisely why the platforming genre has been "dead" for a long time.
I say screw 'more of the same'..and I applaud Rare for actually pushing the genre forward.