MisterHero
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Would it be alright to ask if the thread title was changed to Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts?
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McDragon said:
It was N64 with the ram cart I believe, but that is Dream. Rare = technical gods. Always have been.
abacab driver said:
I'm not sure that this qualifies as user-generated content. I guess there will be some level of vehicle sharing and stuff, but it's mostly puzzle solving within the game itself. It's not like the game is going to have us designing levels.
I don't see the vehicles as user-generated content any more than I'd consider creative puzzle solutions in Eets Chowdown to be user-generated content.
MisterHero
Super Member
They probably decided a fully-clothed fuzzy bear was redundant.Brashnir said:
Digital Limit
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I love Banjo's new design. He looks like he can handle himself. The old Banjo was way too cute. I want a bear that means business.
abacab driver
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HK-47 said:
Never said Banjo was the beacon.
But since you brought LBP up, let me tell you..I absolutely love what LBP is doing, but for a different reason.
Because LBP doesnt even have a genre, I view it as a really amazing toy essentially that you can create tons of linear stuff with and share with friends.
Sue me if I'm excited that Rare is showing us what can be done with the concept of creative empowerment in an actual game in a genre (the platforming genre) that has story, missions etc.
Theres no need to delve further into what I mean (and repeat what Ive been saying this whole thread), it should be obvious from the previews what it means in terms of gameplay potential.
Brashnir said:
So using our imaginations to create a 'level' in their game would be user-generated content, but Rare leaving it to our imaginations to create our own ways to beat their game 'wouldnt qualify'. I gotcha.
Not responding to you anymore btw.
Brashnir said:
i dunno if there will be a forge type thing in the game, but in one of the previews they mentioned that the all the pixel possibilities and stuff for the pieces that you collect and talk about the giant mario, which suggest that there's at least some possibility of building and sharing more than just vehicles...
Haunted
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I'm not entirely convinced of the vehicle mechanic, but the scale of the game is amazing. Very cool. We need MORE GOOD PLATFORMERS.
Totally reminds me of another classic Rare design.Rlan said:
That doesn't look right at all :lol
Green Shinobi
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That trailer put a big smile of joy on my face.
I'm not even sad about the emphasis on vehicles. I hope there are at least a few traditional platforming levels (and I'm pretty sure that there will be). But the things that the vehicles are doing in that trailer are a new kind of platforming.
That looked amazing.
I'm not even sad about the emphasis on vehicles. I hope there are at least a few traditional platforming levels (and I'm pretty sure that there will be). But the things that the vehicles are doing in that trailer are a new kind of platforming.
That looked amazing.
No Means Nomad
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Or maybe...like a bear?Odrion said:
CowboyAstronaut
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Considering you have complete freedom to basically create your own abilities that you would use to advance through the game while not in any way being restrained by the confines of doing things the one and only way the developer designed for something to get done that, to me, would classify as user-generated content.
How User1 completes an objective carries a high possibility of being totally different from how UserB chose to complete that same objective. The concept of how User2 decided to accomplish the objective might seem completely alien in comparison to how User1 managed to accomplish the objective to the point where it could be something User1 has never seen done before or didn't even believe was possible. Isn't that the same thing as being user-generated?
We are creating these things from our imagination afterall. On top of all that, this is something we can just start doing on the spot whenever we please.
How is this any different from the LBP developer providing tools for users to create levels?
Rare is basically doing a similar thing, but providing tools for players to play and complete the game with whatever cool contraption they can manage to think of and based on what we've seen so far, the vehicle designs can be really out there.
How User1 completes an objective carries a high possibility of being totally different from how UserB chose to complete that same objective. The concept of how User2 decided to accomplish the objective might seem completely alien in comparison to how User1 managed to accomplish the objective to the point where it could be something User1 has never seen done before or didn't even believe was possible. Isn't that the same thing as being user-generated?
We are creating these things from our imagination afterall. On top of all that, this is something we can just start doing on the spot whenever we please.
How is this any different from the LBP developer providing tools for users to create levels?
Rare is basically doing a similar thing, but providing tools for players to play and complete the game with whatever cool contraption they can manage to think of and based on what we've seen so far, the vehicle designs can be really out there.
McBradders
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I dunno what I'm looking at. Will play to see what the hell is going on, videos tell me nothing other than "oooh colours".
McDragon said:
I like the old one more but i think i understand why they made the new banjo so "blocky", to keep it in common with the whole style/spirit of the new game.
The trailer was nice except for the slowdowns, which will be fixed, and the "shooting mario" bit, which not that i´m ashamed or anything but it would have been better for the game that people talks just about its features and not so much about that controversy.
Ariexv said:
creating levels for what exactly? At some point, you have to be able to play the levels or there's no point in creating them in the first place.
If all the game is 100% creation, then yes, at that point it doesn't count as content either. Nor does it even count as a game. It's just MS paint with little sack guys.
I don't think it was the '360 guys' (lol wtf is that?) who brought up LBP in the first place.dfyb said:
And how the hell does Banjo "match" LBP anyway? They're both completely different games with completely different motives.
The idea of Banjo's creation and customisation is all based within a game world, with the idea being that the creation and utilisation of such contraptions can aid you in your adventure through the story of the game. LBP's motive is completely different. There is no 'story', game world etc, it's all about you creating your own and sharing it.
Two completely different games, two completely different motives, we really should let this comparison die.
Well, you've extracted and taken his comment completely out of context. He was referring to the fact that Banjo also allows for some user created content. Which is obviously does, no arguing with that.dfyb said:
But, as I said, completely different motive and different scale. But LBP's idea wouldn't fit in with Banjo, just as Banjo wouldn't fit in with LBP. So you're all being very silly really.
8-Bit Soul
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Crushed said:
The reason real discussions can't happen on GAF is because every console exclusive game ultimately gets compared to a 'similar' console exclusive game from another platform. In every thread. Never do they get compared to other third party multiplatform games, but always first party/exclusive games. Or just get looked at on their own merit. It always ends up as a pissing fight.Brashnir said:
The only games that get decent discussions are multiplatform games. Even then, we get the "which platform does it look/play better on" debate.
pswii60 said:
no, the reason is that so many people have this "us vs. them" mentality and get so backed into their defensive corners that even reasonable opinions that differ slightly from their own are seen as attacks and shouted down until the "offender" leaves or is banned.
It's ridiculous. I made a comment earlier that game site previews are dubious at best (not even regarding this game, but just in general) and was attacked by no fewer than 3 zealots, despite the fact that I too am excited about this game.
i agree this debate needs to be dropped - it's odd you call me silly when my post was basically just discounting the people making the comparison... it's a tiring debate and was discussed at length in this thread - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=281154&page=3 (my stance described here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10785283&postcount=148 )pswii60 said:
i don't think i've taken his comment out of context at all. i basically posted his summarizing sentence. he did not discern between levels of user created content -- he argues that banjo3 has user created content, just as lbp has user created content. personally i think it's silly to describe banjo3's vehicle creation as "user created content" in the first place. there's a necessity to discern between different types of user generated content. when you describe things like the vehicle creation in banjo3 as "user generated content," it makes the term meaningless. in the thread i linked, you had people going as far as saying the car tuning in racing games is user generated content (with the same argument him and you use to argue banjo3 is user generated content). before this console generation and it's user generated content battle, you'd be laughed out of the room if you claimed things like this were user generated content because that term was exclusively used for mods and custom maps etc (and almost exclusively in PC games).
i'm just going to reply to his post directly,
an evolved sense of "choice" is not user created content (in the popular sense of the term in this context). banjo3 gives you an extra-ordinary level of choice when it comes to playing by letting you build your own vehicle, but you're still restricted by what you can and can't do. don't forget that rare is in complete control over what parts you can and can't use and what parts you have access to as you progress through the game. you're still very much playing the game by their limited rules. you can't create new parts to put on your vehicle. banjo3 vehicle customization is more like a step forward for custom vehicle layouts (take Armored Core as an example). the significant difference here is that you can place the parts where you want and you can place parts upon other parts.CowboyAstronaut said:
CowboyAstronaut
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nvm
WordAssassin
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What are you even talking about? Pretty much everything said about the game is to the contrary of that. Races will be the main focus of the MULTIPLAYER game. The single player game doesn't have races. It has shit like building flying vacuums and creating something that'll launch the furthest off a ramp or something with strong enough rockets to get to outer space, or something with firepower enough to blow down a wall.The_Dude said:
Jesus Christ this whole racing phobia needs to GTFO. MS did such a fucking wretched job of debuting this game that hardly anybody has any idea what the fuck it's about.
CowboyAstronaut, can you change your post to "nvm" before this thread becomes complete and utter dog shit. We've got enough LBP comparisons etc in this thread, and your post is just about to spawn new edition of "which game is more fun".
Yes, you're right that both games have their own motives and are completely different, but comparing 'fun' ratings is just going to lead to another pissing match.
Yes, you're right that both games have their own motives and are completely different, but comparing 'fun' ratings is just going to lead to another pissing match.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
pswii60 said:
i think it is far too late for that
CowboyAstronaut
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verio said:
I don't think I stuttered because I'm pretty sure it isn't possible while I'm in the process of typing.
Edit :: there followed your advice pswii since I would much prefer for the thread to be about actual banjo discussion.
Don't regret a bit of what I said though :lol
The Innocent X
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pswii60 said:
All of the intelligent discussion on the game was in the gamers day thread anyway. Just lock this one.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
I don't think Crushed is happy about his banning :lol
Well seeing as it's a racing game, I'd say Gran Turismo is the best game to compare it with. Although I don't think the car models are as good, it's not 60fps, it doesn't have lounge music in the menus, Top Gear videos and there's no manufacturer licensing either. Rare should just give up. What a waste of $365m. They'll never compete with Polyphony.Uncle said:
Or wait, is it Twisted Metal we should be comparing it with? Or Gummi Bears construction? Or Mario Galaxy?
And how dare they disrespect my Mario! My beloved Mario! How dare they shoot him like that. My Mario.
:lolgrandjedi6 said:
I don't think Crushed is happy about his banning :lol