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[MASB]

BTW as for the Randy Johnson/Yankees deal, for me, that'll be a case of cheering for the player, but not his team.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

well that was fun while it lasted

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1947995

sorry, stankee fans

 

[Joe]

BOOO

fuckin shawn green.

 

[Ned Flanders]

Like anyone would voluntarily go to the D-Backs. As soon as I saw that the deal was pending no-trade approvals of Johnson and Green, I knew it wouldn't get done.

 

[BigJonsson]

Good going Green

Anything to prevent the big unit coming to the AL east

 

[Triumph]

HAW HAW

SORRY YANKEES AM FUCK TOTAL

BRAVES WILL MARCH OVER ROAD OF BONES AND GORE TO WORLD SERIES TITLE

SURE

 

[Eminem]

or go one and done...either way

 

[Triumph]

or go one and done...either way

No way dude. Look at that guy in my avatar. He looks RIGHT in a Braves cap. It was always meant to be so.

And there is serious buzz concerning the Braves adding your favorite right fielder, Eminem.

 

[Eminem]

Bah, I hope he blows his knee out again. He was only cool on the Sox.
Hope you guys get him though....he's a great player.


We lose Carlos Lee and Maggs for Podsednik and Dye. OH NOES =(

 

[Triumph]

Bah, I hope he blows his knee out again. He was only cool on the Sox.
Hope you guys get him though....he's a great player.


We lose Carlos Lee and Maggs for Podsednik and Dye. OH NOES =(

Oh no. I'm talking about your OTHER favorite right fielder that plays for a Chicago team.

 

[Eminem]

oh, that trade...yeah, good luck not getting him. he's a low average strike out machine. hampton is much more valuable than the corker and kyle "i like to kick fans...no the electrical kind" farnsworth

 

[Triumph]

oh, that trade...yeah, good luck not getting him. he's a low average strike out machine. hampton is much more valuable than the corker and kyle "i like to kick fans...no the electrical kind" farnsworth

Hee hee... I would be inclined to agree with you. But the trade would get the albatross of Mike Hampton's contract off our back, and allow us to give some shitty prospects to the Stanks for a one year Kevin Brown rental.

So we'd be getting: one year Sosa rental(with the Cubs footing most of the bill), one year Brown rental(with the Stanks footing most of the bill), replacing Juan Cruz with Kyle Farnsworth, and with the expiration of Sammy and Brownie's contracts at the end of 2005, most importantly we'd be getting the payroll flexibility to use that money on a long term deal for Hudson.

John Schuerholz is a Golden God.

 

[Joe]

from what ive read, the braves only want brown if the yanks pay a very big portion of browns contract. cashman said that if they're gonna be paying a big part of his salary they might as well keep him and he even said they are considering using him out of the bullpen.

 

[Triumph]

from what ive read, the braves only want brown if the yanks pay a very big portion of browns contract. cashman said that if they're gonna be paying a big part of his salary they might as well keep him and he even said they are considering using him out of the bullpen.

Yeah right. If Steinboss says frog, Cashman jumps out the nearest window. Chances of Brown being in a Yanks uni next year: slim and none. And slim just left town.

Don't worry, you'll probably get a decent prospect. Although I have to hand it to you guys with the whole winning a bunch of world series thing, Atlanta knows how to be continually successful AND have a deep farm system. But yeah, expect to pick up around 10 million of his contract for this season.

 

[MASB]

Hee hee... I would be inclined to agree with you. But the trade would get the albatross of Mike Hampton's contract off our back, and allow us to give some shitty prospects to the Stanks for a one year Kevin Brown rental.

I don't know about Brown. Sure, he's a great pitcher, but he's more injury prone than Smoltz. If we get him for a year and he's healthy, it'll be a great deal. If he gets injured, then naturally that's wasted money. It's a calculated risk I suppose.

Yeah right. If Steinboss says frog, Cashman jumps out the nearest window.

lol

 

[Meier]

As average as Greenie has been these past few years, I'd love to have him for another year or two to keep Brazoban... him and Gagne are our fucking future you dumbshits!!

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

i've been yelling till my throat was bleeding, the yanks need to rebuild the farm system sooner rather than later. why not keep vazques? he's young. randy is two eyars and out. it's not worth it in the long run.

 

[Joe]

im reading various reports from newspapers and it seems like the mariners might want to sign delgado and move sexson to left field. they are also interested in orlando cabrera and odalis perez.

 

[BigJonsson]

Seattle means business

Apparentally the Mets deal offered to Delgado is 3 years, 30 million...

The Jays offered 7 a year...

If Delgado signs for 10 mil a year I am going to be very upset

 

[Joe]

the new york post is saying that the reason the deal hasnt gone through yet isnt shawn green but its pending physicals, and the yankees have to work out a contract extension before johnson waives his no-trade clause and they want to convert johnson's perks into $$$$.


and from the new york daily news:
"Sources told the Daily News Thursday night that while the deal is very complex, there appears to be a feeling of urgency from all the clubs to get it completed within the next day or so.

Several variations on the deal, including the possibility that a fourth team - possibly the St. Louis Cardinals - will be involved are being considered."

jeez, that just looks weird.

the jets are playing well and are in the midst of a playoff hunt, the knicks are in first place (?!?!?) and yet its still baseball controlling new york sports...i love it!

 

[Bat]

This Adrian Belre deal totally baffles me. How did an elite Scott Boras client not wait till the last second in order to get a $100 million contract? And more importantly, how did the Dodgers not resign him at that price? This isn't a Pedro suicidal contract situation, $64 million for someone like Beltre is totally reasonable. What the hell are they doing in LA?

 

[Triumph]

This Adrian Belre deal totally baffles me. How did an elite Scott Boras client not wait till the last second in order to get a $100 million contract? And more importantly, how did the Dodgers not resign him at that price? This isn't a Pedro suicidal contract situation, $64 million for someone like Beltre is totally reasonable. What the hell are they doing in LA?

Uh, I don't think that money is reasonable for Beltre at all. I wouldn't pay him even 10 million per year. He's had one great season(that happened to be in his walk year) and a bunch of dissapointing ones. Watch what happens when he shows up in Seattle. He's always had issues with motivation.

All the Depodesta hate makes me chuckle. You guys will still be contending in September. Who else is gonna be contending in that pussy ass division? The Giants of course, and maybe the Pads(although they haven't done anything to improve their team and have lost some components, so I doubt it). Depodesta is smart not to lock in anyone to longterm, unreasonable deals. Flexibility is where it's at.

 

[Bat]

Well, when Sexson/Glaus sign for almost 50 million, that number for Beltre is reasonable. Add in the fact that he's 25, and you can't have any reasonable expectation of resigning him if you don't give him a deal in that vaccinity. Even knowing that last year was by far his best, you are talking about a 25 year old who just hit .334 with 48 HR in a paitcher's park. Compare that to Vlad last year (70 million), who had a history of back problems that drove his price way down, or Carlos Beltran (who isn't anywhere near as good of a hitter as some people think he is) and 64 million over 5 years is reasonable.

And how can you not doubt DePodesta's moves at this point? He traded Mota last year, which turned out pretty crappy, especially since the guy he got from that trade, Penny, is about to be traded for a shell-shocked Vasquez. And barely winning a weak division (and then getting blown out in the first round) is fine and dandy if the they didn't have a 100 million payroll and didn't just come off of their first playoff appearance in forever....their aim should be much higher.

 

[Triumph]

I think he IS aiming much higher. But there is a right way and a wrong way to do things, and in my opinion paying someone that much(even with that high of a payroll) is part of the wrong way of doing things.

Look, do you want the Dodgers to be good for next season or continually good for many years? I think Depodesta is taking the long term view and this will play itself out over the next few years.

 

[Bat]

I really don't care one way or another if they are good...I was just pretty shocked reading the ESPN headline "Mariners sign Beltre for $64 million". A Scott Boras top-tier clinet signing this early? For reasonable market value? Woah.

EDIT- Also, the Dodgers apparently were offering 6 years 60 million, with an option for more. So this has nothing to do with flexibility.

 

[theo]

ESPNEWS is saying that the Johnson to MFY deal isn't even close to being done, and may not happen at all.

 

[captmcblack]

ESPNEWS is saying that the Johnson to MFY deal isn't even close to being done, and may not happen at all.

If there is a God, the deal as currently constructed won't happen at all. The Yankees have the leverage here; they don't have to get ripped off on the deal like they are (wtf @ giving up Javy AND two prospects for a goddamn 41-yr-old pitcher w/a janky knee? :|).

Please, Emperor Steinbrenner, hold out for a little longer.

 

[Kuroyume]

Javier sucks. All the yankess have to worry about are the prospects.

 

[brooklyngooner]

Billy Beane just blows my mind. I can't believe the deals he swings and the teams he constructs.

And as much as I fucking hate the Braves, John Schuerholz is phenomenal as well.

Meanwhile I can't wait for the first time Pedro goes up and in on that chump Larry.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

ESPNEWS is saying that the Johnson to MFY deal isn't even close to being done, and may not happen at all.

and on the dan patrick show someone from baseball tonight just said it's close to being done either way.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

i still think the deal shouldnt be made. i'd rather have a staff of mid to late 20's guys who can grow and mature instead of one guy who'll be here two years.

 

[brooklyngooner]

i still think the deal shouldnt be made. i'd rather have a staff of mid to late 20's guys who can grow and mature instead of one guy who'll be here two years.

Also, with this soon-to-be completely barren farm system, this payroll can only grow exponentially, since they have no way to add through the organization but only through free agency.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Also, with this soon-to-be completely barren farm system, this payroll can only grow exponentially, since they have no way to add through the organization but only through free agency.

it's like the 80's all over again. except this time they are going to the playoffs.

 

[brooklyngooner]

it's like the 80's all over again. except this time they are going to the playoffs.

That's what I keep thinking of. But yes, adding Johnson makes them quite formidable, and as someone with no stake in the rivalry, I would quite like a Game 7 Sox-Yanks Schill-Johnson matchup to have the Big Eunuch win it. I really dislike Curt Schilling.

But eventually this will hit critical mass.

 

[Joe]

this is too much like the arod to boston deal. wouldnt suprise me if unit ends up in boston.

 

[speshylives]

At some point, the Yankees are going to have to reach a "This is our team, lets stick with it state." Unfortunately, until they win a World Series, George won't let that happen.

It does suck because not having a farm system means no more Jeters, Posadas, Riveras or Williams will come through. It was exciting to see that aspect of the game - the rookie coming up and making an impact.

Yeah, Unit makes the team that much better, but.... really, how much longer will he be around.

 

[Eminem]

Clement is a Red Sox. GOD DAMNIT.

HEY KENNY WILLIAMS, WAY TO FLUSH OUR SEASON DOWN THE TOILET IN GODDAMN DECEMBER.

Nothing short of Randy Johnson(LMAO, yeah right) can salvage us this year. 2 aces, and a bunch of scrubs with a mediocre offense.

Fucking gay.

 

[Joe]

pedro takes shots at the red sox:

"They will field the best bad team in baseball history,"

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3257852

a few more quotes there.



TSN just posted this about 30 minutes ago:
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3254634

"The Randy Johnson trade is apparently expanding from three to four teams, the Sporting News has learned. The identity of the fourth team is not known, but the Dodgers' return, which seems unusually light, could be enhanced by the additional club."

 

[Triumph]

Yeah, Paydro's gum flapping isn't surprising. He's a Met, talk is all they're good for. Other than choking, of course.

 

[Joe]

as it stands right now the dbacks will send randy johnson and a minor leaguer to the dodgers. the dodgers will then ship them PLUS kazuhisa ishii to the yankees for vazquez and two minor leaguers.

 

[Ned Flanders]

So WTF do the D-Backs get out of the deal? Why is LA looking to dump Ishii?

 

[beerbelly]

Now that Clement is gone, Jays should go after Kline and Durazo Trade Hinske!!!

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

as it stands right now the dbacks will send randy johnson and a minor leaguer to the dodgers. the dodgers will then ship them PLUS kazuhisa ishii to the yankees for vazquez and two minor leaguers.

that trade makes zero sense......

 

[Kuroyume]

Yeah, Paydro's gum flapping isn't surprising. He's a Met, talk is all they're good for. Other than choking, of course.

A braves fan talking about choking... dude just shut up... :lol

 

[Joe]

that trade makes zero sense......

??

the yankees are PACKED with #2, 3, and 4 starters. with randy johnson they will finally have an ACE.

vazquez COULD be an ace but its a gamble. his best years are ahead of him but shit, his best years probably wont be as good as randy's next few years.

 

[captmcblack]

I dunno...I just wish the Yankees would in fact take a gamble for once on a young player. I suppose technically they're doing that with Carl Pavano, but still...RJ's 41, man. I don't really like having to part with all that youth and talent for RJ.

Still, that rotation's looking bananas if the trade's done. RJ, Moose, Pavano, Wright and (if healthy) Brown. Nice.

 

[Joe]

randy had knee surgery on his knee in 2003 at the age of 40. he comes back in 2004 at the age of 41 and throws a perfect game, leads the majors in strikeouts, and has the 2nd lowest era. the guy just isnt human. hes got AT LEAST another 2 great years left in him, the only real big concern is injury.

when the dbacks actually scored 2 runs or more for randy, his record was 13-2. thats a pitcher the yankees havent had in a while and someone they wouldve killed for to have in last years ALCS.

randy johnson is the best left handed pitcher in baseball (exactly what the yanks needed).

schilling vs. unit. i mean how sick is that going to be?

 

[AstroLad]

randy had knee surgery on his knee in 2003 at the age of 40. he comes back in 2004 at the age of 41 and throws a perfect game, leads the majors in strikeouts, and has the 2nd lowest era. the guy just isnt human. hes got AT LEAST another 2 great years left in him, the only real big concern is injury.

when the dbacks actually scored 2 runs or more for randy, his record was 13-2. thats a pitcher the yankees havent had in a while and someone they wouldve killed for to have in last years ALCS.

randy johnson is the best left handed pitcher in baseball (exactly what the yanks needed).

schilling vs. unit. i mean how sick is that going to be?

No question about it, if you guys had Randy last year, you would have won the WS (probably swept Sox & Cards). Too bad you couldn't get that deal done; I guess you just have to hope the Randy Aging Clock stays on "stuck."

 

[Joe]

steinbrenner and boras have scheduled a face-to-face meeting next week about beltran.

we're just getting started folks...

 

[Ninja Scooter]

randy had knee surgery on his knee in 2003 at the age of 40. he comes back in 2004 at the age of 41 and throws a perfect game, leads the majors in strikeouts, and has the 2nd lowest era. the guy just isnt human. hes got AT LEAST another 2 great years left in him, the only real big concern is injury.

when the dbacks actually scored 2 runs or more for randy, his record was 13-2. thats a pitcher the yankees havent had in a while and someone they wouldve killed for to have in last years ALCS.

randy johnson is the best left handed pitcher in baseball (exactly what the yanks needed).

schilling vs. unit. i mean how sick is that going to be?

the problem is that he has no cartlidge left in that knee. Thats not an injury that can get better or be fixed, its only gonna probably get worse. But that said, he's still dominant and the Yanks get better by adding him.