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evil solrac v3.0
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beltran isnt going to the yankees. he was never really in their plans (according to bill madden) because they believe that beltran is not worth what A-rod is worth.(the yanks are paying him 15-17 million, texas the rest)
mets have made an offer. now it's put up or shut up time for the astros.
Then many ESPN viewers must not know too much about baseball.
Boggs especially being considered a Yankee? Now if the players insist on being put in on the team they won a championship on, I guess that's okay, though calling Clemens' bluff would make for good drama on his part.
juan marichal made it in with less than 300 (but absolutely dominated in other areas) so did koufax and gibson. now a guy like don sutton in my opinion shouldnt be in the hall cause he never dominated. he was never an ace.
mets have made an offer. now it's put up or shut up time for the astros.
Then many ESPN viewers must not know too much about baseball.
Boggs especially being considered a Yankee? Now if the players insist on being put in on the team they won a championship on, I guess that's okay, though calling Clemens' bluff would make for good drama on his part.juan marichal made it in with less than 300 (but absolutely dominated in other areas) so did koufax and gibson. now a guy like don sutton in my opinion shouldnt be in the hall cause he never dominated. he was never an ace.
evil solrac v3.0
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Raoul Duke said:
right on both counts. mets still dont have a bullpen (or starting pitching, pedro dont count)
no hittting, a shortstop who breaks down every five seconds, a second baseman who sucks. i wish minaya luck, cause i like him, but he has a lot of work to do.
As of now, Johnson has 246 wins. He's with the Yankees for three years right? If he averaged 18 wins a year over that period, he'd have it. Of course, that assumes injuries won't hold him down too much. It's not a sure thing, but I think it's a definite possibility. Heck, he only had 2 less wins in 2004 than Clemens (who had good support from Astros hitting) whereas Johnson pitched a great season (better than Clemens) and had just terrible run support from the Diamondbacks. Imagine a healthy Johnson on a team like the Yankees that can actually hit!Raoul Duke said:
There is no way in hell that Randy Johnson is going to be an effective pitcher for more than a season, tops. He has NO cartilage left in his planting knee. In two years, Yankee fans are going to be freaking out over mortaging the farm for a 41 year old pitcher with no knee cartilage. The smart ones like Solrac already are.
Like I said, assuming injuries don't hold him down too much. I guess having no knee cartilage isn't an injury, but that would have the same effect. Too bad, I didn't realize he had that kind of problem.
I guess the real question is, if you know that, then the Yankees must know it as well and so why did they trade for Randy? If it goes down like you say, they'd be much better off keeping Vasquez (not just for the long term, but this season even).
I guess having no knee cartilage isn't an injury, but that would have the same effect. Too bad, I didn't realize he had that kind of problem.I guess the real question is, if you know that, then the Yankees must know it as well and so why did they trade for Randy? If it goes down like you say, they'd be much better off keeping Vasquez (not just for the long term, but this season even).
evil solrac v3.0
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Raoul Duke said:
what farm? :lol
that apparently ceased to exist after 1996 or so.
evil solrac v3.0
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MASB said:Like I said, assuming injuries don't hold him down too much.
I guess the real question is, if you know that, then the Yankees must know it as well and so why did they trade for Randy? If it goes down like you say, they'd be much better off keeping Vasquez (not just for the long term, but this season even).
'cause we have to win NOW niot later with a well balanced team or a bloated payroll (which is starting to hurt us believe it or not) it's NOW
randy johnson is a 41 year old, 6 foot 10 inch freak of nature.
he's pitched 240 innings in 6 of his last 7 seasons and has had a sub 3.00 era in 5 of his past 6.
a year off of knee surgery, at 41 he averaged 7 innings per start and had 4 complete games (3 more than the entire yankee staff in 2003).
im not worried, he may not get 300 wins but he'll get around 290 definitely.
he's pitched 240 innings in 6 of his last 7 seasons and has had a sub 3.00 era in 5 of his past 6.
a year off of knee surgery, at 41 he averaged 7 innings per start and had 4 complete games (3 more than the entire yankee staff in 2003).
im not worried, he may not get 300 wins but he'll get around 290 definitely.
evil solrac v3.0
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that's the problem. we dont have a future coming down the line. you need to produce talent down in the minors and the yanks just arent doing that. getting free agent talent is very i admit, but you also need to complement it with homegrown talent. the mega-star isnt always gonna win the world series for you.
Are they necessarily "better" though? From 2001 through 2003, the Oakland A's had essentially the same result as the Yankees for less than 1/3rd the payroll. With a bunch of no name players and solid pitching.Joe said:
I mean think about it. Who were Paul O'neill, Scott Brosius, Jim Leyritz, etc? A bunch of nobodies until they started winning championships. Real baseball is not fantasy baseball. You don't just pick the shiniest parts. You pick the parts that compliment each other the best for the task you're trying to accomplish. That doesn't mean you always sign the marquee free agent. If you have a core group of guys that came up through the minors together, they're comfortable with each other and that will spread throughout the clubhouse. If you have 25 prima donnas, though... well, you have the 2004 Yankees. And you saw what happened there.
There are plenty of reasons why it's bad for ALL of baseball for Steinbrenner to turn into a blank check machine. That includes the Yankees.
the A's are nothing without high draft picks (zito, mulder, hudson in particular). they've managed to flip two of them for high ranking prospects. so instead of re-signing their players they flip them for prospects and draft picks.
the 2004 yankees were hardly prima donnas. the yankees have a bunch of straight up ball players on their team. it would be hard for ANYONE to reproduce the 98 yankees, those kind of teams are rare and arent exactly easy to make.
the 2004 yankees were hardly prima donnas. the yankees have a bunch of straight up ball players on their team. it would be hard for ANYONE to reproduce the 98 yankees, those kind of teams are rare and arent exactly easy to make.
Beltran can only be an amazing player if he signs with the Amazins.' Texas is a hell hole and he would only waste his talent there. The Astros would eventually get slaughtered by the 2005 METS anyway. I don't think he would be content being a wild card champ for the rest of his career.
Weren't you a yankee fan?
And Beltran going to the Mets is about as likely as Beltran going to the Cubs.
Regardless of what you guys think of Steinboss, I still say it's going to come down to Jan 8th with a bidding war between Da Boss and Dreyton McClane, with the Mets jumping up and down for attention outside the meeting room, and the Cubs driving aroudn town looking for the office building.
And Beltran going to the Mets is about as likely as Beltran going to the Cubs.
Regardless of what you guys think of Steinboss, I still say it's going to come down to Jan 8th with a bidding war between Da Boss and Dreyton McClane, with the Mets jumping up and down for attention outside the meeting room, and the Cubs driving aroudn town looking for the office building.
Globe and Mail: "The Toronto Blue Jays could know as early as today whether the Arizona Diamondbacks are able to get Shawn Green's name on a contract extension, finalizing a trade with the Los Angeles Dodgers and triggering a trade that would send Shea Hillenbrand to the Blue Jays."
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Kuroyume said:
You're not a METS fan. You also like the YANKEES. Which makes you a TOSSER.
captmcblack
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ATTN: Yankees
YOU MUST MATCH AND SURPASS THAT OFFER. 6 YEARS, $120M.
You have to do it; improve your outfield defense and lower the ERA of your staff by proxy. DO IT
YOU MUST MATCH AND SURPASS THAT OFFER. 6 YEARS, $120M.
You have to do it; improve your outfield defense and lower the ERA of your staff by proxy. DO IT
There is no feasible way for the Mets to finish better than 4th in that division. They're just lucky the Nationals suck so much. I can't wait until the season starts and I get to start laughing at you each week, as the Mets play themselves further and further out of contention. You are truly divorced from reality, sir or madam as the case may be.Kuroyume said:
bob_arctor
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Joe said:
This I really can't understand. Well, actually, I really can't believe it either. Any mention of this abomination just eats away a little more of my soul. Joe, have you actually grasped the fact that there is nothing, absolutely nothing we can mock a Bosox fan about, pretty much ever again? I mean, sure, we'll beat them in the playoffs, definitely win more rings over the course of the rest of my lifetime, but how can anything top the reverse sweep and the biggest choke-job ever. Not even the chokingest Red Sox team that ever did choke pulled that off. No more "Nineteen-Eighteen". *Sigh* I mean we let down generations of Yankee teams that held the Curse down. Generations!!
speshylives
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The fact that it was the Red Sox makes it worse, but the real heart wrenching part of it all is that the Yanks were up 3-0.... and choked. Everytime I see Varitek jump up and down, I think of all the K's, pop ups, ground outs and weak shit the Yanks displayed those last 4 games, and it makes my stomach turn.
It such a damn abomination that I really do think I'll be a little less die hard Yankee fan, and throw some more support towards the Marlins. Last year was the worst choke I'd ever witnessed. You don't lose when up 3-0. It doesn't happen, especially after winning the third game 19-8. I'd rather see them not make the playoffs at all then have to endure shit like that again.
It such a damn abomination that I really do think I'll be a little less die hard Yankee fan, and throw some more support towards the Marlins. Last year was the worst choke I'd ever witnessed. You don't lose when up 3-0. It doesn't happen, especially after winning the third game 19-8. I'd rather see them not make the playoffs at all then have to endure shit like that again.
shit i dont know whats wrong with me. it really doesnt bother me. im bothered that the yankees lost but im not bothered that it was red sox. and im DISTURBED at the choke job but thats a whole other discussion.
the 2001 world series was much, much more painful than that.
i mean, i THOUGHT it was gonna be pain, gut wrenching and all that but im not bothered. i work with an old time yankee fan like going back to the 50's and he wasnt bothered either. maybe that rubbed off on me.
the 2001 world series was much, much more painful than that.
i mean, i THOUGHT it was gonna be pain, gut wrenching and all that but im not bothered. i work with an old time yankee fan like going back to the 50's and he wasnt bothered either. maybe that rubbed off on me.
Yeah I'm a tosser. That very different from the losers here who were celebrating the Sox WS win right? Who knew there were so many closet Sox fans in here. Talk about hypocrisy.... :lol Matrix if you knew anything about baseball you wouldn't have been dumb to think the Astros had a chance against St. Louis.
Oh and I'll keep my mouth shut now but when the METS are on the top of the NL East in August with a 20 game lead over the braves we'll see who will be laughing. You're delusional.
Oh and I'll keep my mouth shut now but when the METS are on the top of the NL East in August with a 20 game lead over the braves we'll see who will be laughing. You're delusional.
bob_arctor
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Joe said:
I cried like a little girl, drunk off my ass on Bacardi, in my wife's arms, that night. I agree w/ you there.
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Kuroyume said:
They lost by a game on the road you half-wit and had one of the most amazing end of the season runs in MLB history,excuse me for thinking they could pull it off.....if they had been at home it would have been the Stros losing to the Sox in the WS.
WTF were your Mets? What about your other team and their amazing collapse.
I dont know how the heck you can call anyone delusional on the forum....you cant even make up your mind which NY team to root for..one minute the Yankees are the shit and the next minute its the Mets..PICK A TEAM TOSSER.
speshylives
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I must be fairly stupid myself, I thought the Astros had the Cards beat as well. With Beltran hitting the ball out every other at bat, I don't see where one would think this would have been an impossible feat.
2001 was definitely miserable, I'll drink to that. Unfortunately, all I have around is this Diet Coke.
2001 was definitely miserable, I'll drink to that. Unfortunately, all I have around is this Diet Coke.
:lol
Rooting for two teams in the same region or same league is a cardinal sin. I could see if maybe you were a Dodgers fan, and a Yankees fan. Or a Mariners/Mets fan.
And I've been rooting for the Sox since the early nomar days...then through the Nomar-on-pace-for-.400 days, through the 1999 playoffs,. 1996, before the Astros started their yearly playoff run, which is about as long as I've been actually paying attention to baseball rather than just watching whatever's on.
Ask Solrac and Joe, I've been pestering them here alone for a better part of 3 years.
But anyway, go on and root for your NYMetkees. Just know that no one will take you seriously.
Rooting for two teams in the same region or same league is a cardinal sin. I could see if maybe you were a Dodgers fan, and a Yankees fan. Or a Mariners/Mets fan.
And I've been rooting for the Sox since the early nomar days...then through the Nomar-on-pace-for-.400 days, through the 1999 playoffs
,. 1996, before the Astros started their yearly playoff run, which is about as long as I've been actually paying attention to baseball rather than just watching whatever's on. Ask Solrac and Joe, I've been pestering them here alone for a better part of 3 years.
But anyway, go on and root for your NYMetkees. Just know that no one will take you seriously.
Foreign Jackass
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BAH! Delgado says Mets are attractive for Latin players. NYM are gonna kick some ass this year
evil solrac v3.0
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Miguel said::lol
Rooting for two teams in the same region or same league is a cardinal sin. I could see if maybe you were a Dodgers fan, and a Yankees fan. Or a Mariners/Mets fan.
And I've been rooting for the Sox since the early nomar days...then through the Nomar-on-pace-for-.400 days, through the 1999 playoffs
Ask Solrac and Joe, I've been pestering them here alone for a better part of 3 years.
But anyway, go on and root for your NYMetkees. Just know that no one will take you seriously.
damn right you've been bugging us with that two team crap. but this is the year were you choose one team. who are the NYMetkees? an expansion team? are they in the NL east?
yeah... i remenber sori hitting the homerun off schilling and i was listening to the radio WOOOTS all around. mariano dominating the eight inning and i thought "we got this one locked down"
and then it juts happened. when tony womack got that double i knew it was over cause even if it went into extra innings, we would never have scored off randy johnson. after gonzo got the hit i just turned the radio off and my brotheres were just shuffling around like zombies. my mother was in the corner not saying much. then i listened to the post-game like i always do and that was that. then i called my dad. *sigh* i think 1995 hurt the second most for me though. mattingly's last year.
what an amazing drug that cocaine.......
evil solrac v3.0
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dodgers are close to re-signing odalis perez. looks like minaya didnt work his magic enough.
this guy is actually getting paid to write crap like this
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3292648
its like a random post on the espn boards.
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3292648
its like a random post on the espn boards.
evil solrac v3.0
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Joe said:
i woudlnt sweat it too much joe, it's written by stan mcneal of the sporting news. those are actual proffesional yankee haters. it's just emant to geta rise of yankee fans and to get more print.
carbonbased
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:lol I was going to post the exact same thing. He's the one poster around here I absolutely can't stand.Eminem said:
evil solrac v3.0
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yanks and johnson reach two-year agreement. physical on monday.
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