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[Triumph]

I think Raoul Duke and I are going to have a fun year, laughing at the Mets yet again fail to live up to the hype.

Oh you got that shit right.

Paydro= $53 million
Beltran= more than $100 million

Watching Smoltz and Hudson throw back to back shutouts in NY= PRICELESS.

There are some things money just can't buy, no matter how hard the Mets want it to: class, baseball expertise, and a NL East title or playoff berth.

For everything else, there is crazy Wilpon's useless millions!

 

[Desperado]

Yeah... so? Doesn't mean that Houston is a place that's impervious to player criticism...

"What's to say the hometown fans will be loyal to him when he's career is winding down and his contract is an albatross to the team? Whose to say they'll still like ya if you go through an extended slump, or have a bad outing during a crucial game?"

Case in point: Bagwell. about $17 mil for 2005. Is his career winding down? Yes. Is his contract an albatross to the team? Yes. Did he have an extended slump last year? Yes. Did he have a bad outing during a crucial game? Yes. Do fans still love him? Yes. Same could be said for Biggio to a lesser extent, and minus the contract issue.

 

[Sirpopopop]

Congratulations! You have one example...

Of course, that one example is the player who pretty much defined the franchise in question, and when he got his contract, it was known that he defined the franchise in question. For the first 3 years of the deal he performed at around the value of the contract. Now that he's starting to break down, his contract's almost up.

I would also argue that the player in question has a contract that is certainly not befitting of the albatross tag. It's a 5 year deal that's going to expire next year. It's a deal that didn't preclude the franchise from signing heavyweights like Andy Pettite to long-term deals, and of course giving Beltran that 100 million dollar offer. Of course, this contract was inked in 2000 if I'm correct. That was also the same year Houston shelled out the big bucks for Richard Hidalgo... As I recall, he didn't seem too well liked in Houston.

Of course, I could also bring up much more definitive examples for my case like Nomar Garciaparra, Kenny Rogers, Sammy Sosa, Ken Griffey Jr.

 

[Matrix]

Who gives a shit.

If Houston fans want to vent about greedy ass Beltran and a-hole Boras they can,Boras and Beltran used the Astros to start a bidding war between the NY teams...the Yanks chose not to get involved it seems,enter the Mets and their extra couple of millions that in the long run doesnt mean shit when you're making over 100 million.

You say its all about the money,true,then Beltran should have told the Astros months ago or atleast Boras should have said that their offer wasnt high enough...they did not have to wait till the final hour and in the process screw the astros even more.Yes it's the job of the agent to get the client as much as he can,but Boras is a shit and most major league baseball fans have known this since his Arod game with the Rangers.He does things the wrong way,its good for him and his client,but its not good for major league baseball.

 

[Joe]

the reds are actively shopping around austin kearns.

their outfield will be griffey, dunn, willy mo.

 

[Matrix]

Dang I would take Kearns at this point,but he's injury prone

 

[Miguel]

It's time for...*gulp* rebuilding.


Jason, Willie, Chris....IT'S TIIIIME TO SHIIINE.

Lane and Burke are like 27 already, they should just go ahead and make them the starters and see what they can do. Maybe try to trade for JC Jr, and maybe try and pick up a few young relievers and a starter.

JC Jr. could take one outfield spot for now, along with Lane and Berkman. Once Taveras develops, he can come up and we'd move Berkman to fill 1b once Bags' contract is up.

Anyway, I'm going to go back into my corner and cry a bit more.

 

[brooklyngooner]

Oh you got that shit right.

Paydro= $53 million
Beltran= more than $100 million

Watching Smoltz and Hudson throw back to back shutouts in NY= PRICELESS.

There are some things money just can't buy, no matter how hard the Mets want it to: class, baseball expertise, and a NL East title or playoff berth.

For everything else, there is crazy Wilpon's useless millions!

I really like your posts in other threads, but what is your hardon for the Mets? I think talking class is a little silly when your team can't even sell out its home playoff games (but one get one free?) and its fans cheered John Rocker after his bullshit SI comments.

 

[Triumph]

I really like your posts in other threads, but what is your hardon for the Mets? I think talking class is a little silly when your team can't even sell out its home playoff games (but one get one free?) and its fans cheered John Rocker after his bullshit SI comments.

Hey, I never said Braves fans have class. Only the organization.

And my hardon for the Mets is this: excluding you(you've made legible, intelligent posts regarding baseball in this thread) and a few others, their fans are really dumb for the most part(see: Kuroyume). The Mets have made consistently horrible personnel decisions since 2000, and Mets fans expect them to win the division at the start of every season. And they end up in 4th or 5th most years.

The NL East Title road goes through Atlanta. Until someone beats the Braves, we're the favorites. Seeing some assclown like Kuroyume try to sing the glory of Yankees Lite just pisses me off, so I'll point out the 13 straight division championships.

 

[Bauer Action Hour]

And my hardon for the Mets is this: excluding you(you've made legible, intelligent posts regarding baseball in this thread) and a few others, their fans are really dumb for the most part(see: Kuroyume).

Dude, I resent that. You can find plenty of Mets boards that are intelligent and rational, some even devoted only towards Mets cynicism. Just because there are a couple of morons here doesn't make all of the Mets' fandom dumb. Don't go belgurdo on us ("for *insult* generalizations, there's no power...").

BTW, the Beltran deal is done and done.

 

[metsallica]

I also resent that but then I realize it was a posting on an internet message board.

Well... they overpaid, but they got their damn star! I'm in shock.

 

[Sirpopopop]

Who gives a shit.

If Houston fans want to vent about greedy ass Beltran and a-hole Boras they can,Boras and Beltran used the Astros to start a bidding war between the NY teams...the Yanks chose not to get involved it seems,enter the Mets and their extra couple of millions that in the long run doesnt mean shit when you're making over 100 million.

You say its all about the money,true,then Beltran should have told the Astros months ago or atleast Boras should have said that their offer wasnt high enough...they did not have to wait till the final hour and in the process screw the astros even more.Yes it's the job of the agent to get the client as much as he can,but Boras is a shit and most major league baseball fans have known this since his Arod game with the Rangers.He does things the wrong way,its good for him and his client,but its not good for major league baseball.

Well... as I said before, it's all about the money. I explained why fan loyalty and organization loyalty don't mean much in the long run. Instead, you choose to continue on the path of trying to state why Boras should have shown more consideration for the Astros. You ignored the part of my post where I discussed fan and organization loyalty and instead continued on with the ad hominem attacks.

Besides, how do you know he used the Astros for the express purpose of starting a bidding war between the two NY teams. Did he say it himself? No... Therefore, anything you say on that part is pure speculation on your part.

As a matter of fact I believe ESPN News said that one of the sticking points was the fact that Houston was unwilling to offer a no-trade clause. That doesn't sound to me like a player or agent who intended on using the Astros for the sole purpose of driving up bidding between the NY teams. But, even if that was his sole purpose, how can you fault for the guy doing his job? He's supposed to get the dollars for his players, and he does a good job of getting it. That's why players flock to him, and ask him to negotiate deals for them.

Of course, a 30 million dollar between the two contracts (11 million dollar signing bonus) is more than just a couple throwaway millions. He's making about 30% more with the Mets than he would have with the Astros...

The only person in the world who can laugh off 30 million is Bill Gates.

Edit: Yeah, Bauer is right. 19 million still is a lot of money for a player to shrug off though. That would be about a 20% difference between the two contracts... still a sizable amount no matter which way you look at it, and certainly not a couple throwaway millions.

Bill Gates still is the only person who can laugh off 20 million.

 

[Bauer Action Hour]

The $11 M signing bonus is part of the $119 M package.

 

[Matrix]

Besides, how do you know he used the Astros for the express purpose of starting a bidding war between the two NY teams. Did he say it himself? No... Therefore, anything you say on that part is pure speculation on your part.

As a matter of fact I believe ESPN News said that one of the sticking points was the fact that Houston was unwilling to offer a no-trade clause. That doesn't sound to me like a player or agent who intended on using the Astros for the sole purpose of driving up bidding between the NY teams. But, even if that was his sole purpose, how can you fault for the guy doing his job? He's supposed to get the dollars for his players, and he does a good job of getting it. That's why players flock to him, and ask him to negotiate deals for them.

Of course, a 30 million dollar between the two contracts (11 million dollar signing bonus) is more than just a couple throwaway millions. He's making about 30% more with the Mets than he would have with the Astros...

The only person in the world who can laugh off 30 million is Bill Gates.

Edit: Yeah, Bauer is right. 19 million still is a lot of money for a player to shrug off though. That would be about a 20% difference between the two contracts... still a sizable amount no matter which way you look at it, and certainly not a couple throwaway millions.

Bill Gates still is the only person who can laugh off 20 million.

WTF are you the agent of an agent ? Seriously I dont get wtf you care if the Stros fans here get pissed off about Beltran and his agent.

That bs no trade clause info is released for Boras and Beltran to save some face and make it look like it wasnt all about money.Also Buster Olney got that info from his source,im sure its the same source that said Carlos was about to sign in Houston mins before the deadline,which means its bs.

Hell most players today can wave a no trade clause if they need to,case in point Boras other greedy money bag Arod.

Texas has no state income tax,our contract was pretty damn even to the Mets till he got them to offer up more right after the deadline passed,which in turn gets Boras more money.If Beltran was truly about winning,he would have stayed in Houston...they do happen to have the 5th best winning percentage in baseball in the last 10 years and have been loyal to Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell for years.Mclane even stated to Beltran he wanted him to carry the torch for years to come after they retired,he never once said that about any other young player he has signed long term.

The more I read up on it the less I hate Boras in the situation...if Carlos really wanted to be an Astro he could have been,for some reason I thought he would be an astro for life,guess it was the bs stuff he said it the past like " I want to play for a winner,I truly dont care about money as long as I'm comfortable" etc etc .

 

[Triumph]

Look, I'm a Braves fan. I have to look down on fans of other NL East teams who think they're going to win the division... BECAUSE YOU NEVER DO.

Don't worry. I'll insult any Phillies or Marlins fans who care to post, but obviously the Mets are the ones who think they've improved their team the most(ok, they have, other than the Braves) this offseason.

 

[Joe]

let's start a pool on when john smoltz's arm literally falls off during a game.

i got august 25-31

 

[Sirpopopop]

WTF are you the agent of an agent ? Seriously I dont get wtf you care if the Stros fans here get pissed off about Beltran and his agent.

No, I just think it's asinine to be a poor sport about it, and keep on tossing blame about, in a situation like this. But, my gripe is more with the person who wrote the article you put up, than you yourself. (Even though it seems you agree with him)

That bs no trade clause info is released for Boras and Beltran to save some face and make it look like it wasnt all about money.Also Buster Olney got that info from his source,im sure its the same source that said Carlos was about to sign in Houston mins before the deadline,which means its bs.

Why speculate on information and attempt to pass it off as a definitive truth?

Hell most players today can wave a no trade clause if they need to,case in point Boras other greedy money bag Arod.

Texas has no state income tax,our contract was pretty damn even to the Mets till he got them to offer up more right after the deadline passed,which in turn gets Boras more money.

According to this article, the state income tax advantage for Texas amounts to about $5 million dollars over the course of the contract.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseb...an07,0,5368231.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

That income tax also has to be balanced against the various endorsement opportunities that are available to a player as a result of being able to take advantage of the NY Media.

If Beltran was truly about winning,he would have stayed in Houston...they do happen to have the 5th best winning percentage in baseball in the last 10 years and have been loyal to Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell for years.Mclane even stated to Beltran he wanted him to carry the torch for years to come after they retired,he never once said that about any other young player he has signed long term.

The Astros might have a nice winning percentage, but their record in the playoffs is ghastly. In the end, the "winning" card only carries you so far. There can be only one winner, everyone else is a loser. Plus, recently it seems, every year there is a new winner who emerges out of nowhere. Beltran probably has just as much of a chance of winning this dice roll with the Mets, as he does with Houston.

The more I read up on it the less I hate Boras in the situation...if Carlos really wanted to be an Astro he could have been,for some reason I thought he would be an astro for life,guess it was the bs stuff he said it the past like " I want to play for a winner,I truly dont care about money as long as I'm comfortable" etc etc .

Well... it's pretty low of him to say that, but as a fan, we all need to pinch ourselves when players make statements, because talk is cheap.

Edit: Raoul - The Braves might win the division, but when a team from that division wins the Wild Card, they are usually the ones who end up in the World Series - not the Braves.

 

[brooklyngooner]

Hey, I never said Braves fans have class. Only the organization.

And my hardon for the Mets is this: excluding you(you've made legible, intelligent posts regarding baseball in this thread) and a few others, their fans are really dumb for the most part(see: Kuroyume). The Mets have made consistently horrible personnel decisions since 2000, and Mets fans expect them to win the division at the start of every season. And they end up in 4th or 5th most years.

The NL East Title road goes through Atlanta. Until someone beats the Braves, we're the favorites. Seeing some assclown like Kuroyume try to sing the glory of Yankees Lite just pisses me off, so I'll point out the 13 straight division championships.

Painting all Mets fans with the Kuryome brush is akin to my saying that all Braves fans are inbred, cross-eyed, deerhunting three-headed mutants out of Deliverance illiterate rednecks who'd like nothing better than to bring back the days of secession, colored-only bathrooms and lynchings -- you know, real off-base generalizations such as those -- because of John Rocker. Kuryome's the herb who embarasses all Mets fans at Yankee stadium because he pops junk and gets his ass kicked by those pimply-faced, wannabe hardrocks from north jersey and Westchester. So let's put this little fantasy to bed. No Met fan I know is proud of the Coupons, liked the Kazmir trade nor thinks Pedro's a bargain.

In addition, I'd like to point out that the Braves are the biggest chokers in baseball and in the 90s were even more of a bandwagon team than the Yankees.

One can look at the Beltran deal and say we overpaid, a sentiment with which I'd probably agree. His stats don't bear out the dollars. BUT. From a business perspective, look at it this way: the Mets are getting their own cable network in 2006. Whether you and I agree, the general perception is Pedro and Beltran are marquee stars. And that goes a long way towards adding value to the network and thus, if they do so (which the jury's still out on), adding to the Mets' payroll. With this market, Beltran may be more of an income generator at 7 yrs/119 mil for the Mets than what the Astros offered given their market (not a slight at all).

The bottom line is, the NL East is still weak, the Braves will still probably win it, and the Phillies suck my ass.

 

[Triumph]

The Braves WERE a bigger bandwagon team than the Yankees before the Yanks started winning in the late 90's.

As for the Braves choking in the playoffs... yeah. They do. I'm not gonna lie, it's the one thing that makes me want to kill Bobby Cox each year. I love him all throughout the regular season, but as soon as we get to the playoffs I get this sinking feeling in my stomach and I just KNOW that we're gonna lose. When we do, I go on a days long rampage where I tell anyone who will listen that Cox has to go, this is the final year, etc etc. I would have traded half of those trips to the playoffs for a few more world titles in the 90's. Especially '96, that one was like a sucker punch straight to the nuts. The Yankees had been crap for years, and it would have been our second title in as many years, cementing us as the dynasty of the 90's. And we choke after going up 2-0 IN NEW YORK. I still get pissed about it today. Fuck you, Mark Wohlers.

As far as the Mets station goes, they're gonna have to play well in 2005 for anyone to give a shit in 2006 about their station. Who's gonna care if they finish 4th and Pedro doesn't pitch at all in 2006? Oh, popopop, Paydro's arm is FAR more likely to fall off than Smoltz's. He's got a clean bill of health. Please, god.

 

[Kuroyume]

METS = 2 Championships and last WS appearance in 2000

BRAVES = 1 Championship (as Atlanta's team) and last WS appearance in 1995

WINNERS? DA METS

 

[Sirpopopop]

Uhh... I'm not the guy talking about Pedro or Smoltz at all. That's Joe, Raoul.

 

[Joe]

i just started day dreaming of watching a baseball game. yankees at home, day game. moose on the mound and he strikes out the side. he walks off the mound staring down a couple feet ahead of him with no emotion and the stadium is going crazy. and it put the hugest smile on my face.

i want it to be april now dammit!

Uhh... I'm not the guy talking about Pedro or Smoltz at all. That's Joe, Raoul.

damn, i really thought there was a chance i could get away with it.

 

[Matrix]

"Why speculate on information and attempt to pass it off as a definitive truth?"


Why because no way in hell would the Astros bet all the farm on Beltran and offer him all that money and then let a little matter such as a no wave clause ruin their chances at signing him...it makes no sense at all.

They let go of certain players to be able to sign Beltran *Kent for example,he wanted one more year* That money was going to Beltran,Im not 100% certain but I just cant fathom the Stros would destroy their whole off season cause of a no trade cause issue.

 

[speshylives]

I don't know if it's still the same, but Shea Stadium is right around the Corona/Jackson Heights area of Flushing and when I lived there, that area had quite a large latin population.
After watching latin Marlins fans jump on the Pudge bandwagon (and jump right off when he was not re-signed in favor of Mike Lowell), I can see how Beltran may be worth that money in the revenue alone he'll bring in if he stays a star.

 

[beerbelly]

So it looks like Green will agree on an extension with the D-backs. This means Jays will get Hillenbrand, for minor leaguers. Fresh blood is always good. Where will Hinske go now that Hillenbrand will be 1st base and Koskie at 3rd?

 

[Joe]

kearns for hinske and a prospect

 

[Triumph]

METS = 2 Championships and last WS appearance in 2000

BRAVES = 1 Championship (as Atlanta's team) and last WS appearance in 1995

WINNERS? DA METS

Man you're dumb. Our last WS VICTORY was in 95. We made it to the WS in 96 and I'm pretty sure 99 only to lose to your OTHER favorite NY baseball team, tosser.

Sorry popopop. I was speed scanning the thread and thought that was you. I'll burn another A-rod rookie card to properly spite Joe and make amends.

 

[Miguel]

http://www.apolloxviii.com/download/beltran/beltran.mp3

 

[captmcblack]

Well, dammit. The Mets apparently really did pull Beltran off. Crazy.

Perhaps now the Yankees can trade w/them for Mike Cameron? The Yankees do kinda need a centerfielder than can erm...field. :-\

Also, maybe now the Yankees try for Delgado. Ugh.

 

[Fifty]

How do the clutchfans....fans think about their spoof now? I think it's hilarious that their joke became reality. Too damn cocky they were.

 

[Joe]

the yanks have no need for delgado. delgado might end up actually going to the rangers.

in the next 2-3 years the yanks are gonna have serious issues trying to fill out center field, catcher, and closer spots. could be rough but with arod and jeter id say they'll have a very good 1-2 punch for quite a while and at least some pretty damn good pitching.

 

[Miguel]

How do the clutchfans....fans think about their spoof now? I think it's hilarious that their joke became reality. Too damn cocky they were.

That was a spoof from a Mets messageboard.

 

[Fifty]

Well you guys found it and laughed at it, right? I'm sorry for rubbing it in, but it's just a tad ironic.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I don't know if it's still the same, but Shea Stadium is right around the Corona/Jackson Heights area of Flushing and when I lived there, that area had quite a large latin population.
After watching latin Marlins fans jump on the Pudge bandwagon (and jump right off when he was not re-signed in favor of Mike Lowell), I can see how Beltran may be worth that money in the revenue alone he'll bring in if he stays a star.

actually Mike Lowell is Cuban, and one of the reasons they resigned him to that big contract was because he was a fan favorite with the Miami latin population.

 

[Joe]

if he plays like carlos beltran then even though they overpaid for him the mets will get every single penny's worth out of him.

if he can play like beltran with a huge spotlight on him, and the pressure from fans and media in new york, the mets will have made a great sign.

 

[Mrbob]

boras is maggs agent too. wonder how much he'll milk out of some team for that cripple

Yeah, this worries me as I want the Cubs to grab him. However, it sounds like Maggs REALLY wants to join the Cubs for a couple reasons. One is to stay and Chicago and the second is to stick it to White Sox management. I hope we can grab him.

As I told Miguel over AIM, the Beltran move may sting now but in the long run it is better not signing him. Using up too much money on one player, and one who doesn't deserve the bloated contract he is about to get.

And Triumph is mad about seeing Maddux go? How about seeing your team let Maddux go when he is in his prime! :/ Sad thing is is that the Cubs just HAD TO MATCH THE BRAVES OFFER but the stupid management didn't think he was worth it. Ughhh yes I am still pissed about that. :lol

 

[Joe]

value does go beyond stats though.

the astro's fans obviously loved him and would have paid to see him. his playoff domination was HUGE, i mean HUGE.

jeter is a perfect example. looking at his stats alone hes obviously not worth his contract. but the amount of money he generates, his leadership, and his post season play make him EASILY worth his contract.

just food for thought.

 

[Bat]

value does go beyond stats though.

the astro's fans obviously loved him and would have paid to see him. his playoff domination was HUGE, i mean HUGE.

jeter is a perfect example. looking at his stats alone hes obviously not worth his contract. but the amount of money he generates, his leadership, and his post season play make him EASILY worth his contract.

just food for thought.

That might be true for the Yankees, but if you're a team who has a set budget, $20 million means $20 million you can't spend on anyone else. There's no way Carlos Beltran is worth giving up two good pitchers, for example, and that is exactly what the Astros would give up for his services for the next 7 years. That's not to say they wouldn't have loved to land him, but you cannot apply what rules the Yankees (as well as the Mets and the Red Sox to a much lesser extent) have for a player's value to the rest of the MLB.

 

[Mrbob]

value does go beyond stats though.

the astro's fans obviously loved him and would have paid to see him. his playoff domination was HUGE, i mean HUGE.

jeter is a perfect example. looking at his stats alone hes obviously not worth his contract. but the amount of money he generates, his leadership, and his post season play make him EASILY worth his contract.

just food for thought.

Where was that Jeter leadership on the 2004 collapse? Money well spent....If you want to justify the overpaid contract of Jeter go for it but most people outside of NY think it is bloated.

When is the last time the Yankees won a WS with that Jeter leadership? Oh yeah when they had a decent pitching staff.

 

[Miguel]

HEY! WE DO NOT SPEAK ILL OF CAPTAIN INTANGIBLES!



:lol

 

[Joe]

beltran went from unknown to high profile star. when was the last time the astro's had a premiere player like that?

well if they say they tried their best i guess you gotta believe them.

 

[Joe]

Where was that Jeter leadership on the 2004 collapse? Money well spent....If you want to justify the overpaid contract of Jeter go for it but most people outside of NY think it is bloated.

When is the last time the Yankees won a WS with that Jeter leadership? Oh yeah when they had a decent pitching staff.

remember manny went on irrevocable waivers and no one bit?

if that was jeter at least 10 teams would have been interested. and by people outside of ny you must mean fans outside of ny and well...that isnt too suprising.

 

[Mrbob]

remember manny went on irrevocable waivers and no one bit?

if that was jeter at least 10 teams would have been interested. and by people outside of ny you must mean fans outside of ny and well...that isnt too suprising.

So, wait, are you trying to tell me Jeter isn't worth that contract the Yankees signed him too and the team should put him on waivers?

 

[BigJonsson]

Mets and Jays should change leagues

let the Mets be with the rest of the overspenders

 

[Sirpopopop]

"Why speculate on information and attempt to pass it off as a definitive truth?"


Why because no way in hell would the Astros bet all the farm on Beltran and offer him all that money and then let a little matter such as a no wave clause ruin their chances at signing him...it makes no sense at all.

While no trade clauses can be waived, there are players who do invoke them to block trades. I can recall one instance in the NBA where a trade between the Sixers and Clippers involving Allen Iverson was blocked because a center on the Sixers was unwilling to waive his clause. Then you have players like Randy Johnson who force their teams to negotiate deals with one team because of their no trade clause, thus allowing for the chance that the team might not get fair value in the process (though I feel that the Diamondbacks did get a decent deal for him). I also remember that the A's didn't sign Jason Giambi because of the insistence for such a clause.

These clauses also mean that if an investment doesn't pan out, you might be stuck with said player.

 

[Miguel]

 

[metsallica]

That is AWESOME. Where is it from? It goes really well with the mp3 you posted, too!

In other news, is Delgado next?

"In addition, during face-to-face meetings Monday in San Juan, a contingent of Met officials led by owner Fred Wilpon and GM Omar Minaya satisfied Beltran's concerns about whether the team was truly committed to contend by saying that even if he were signed they would still aggressively pursue Carlos Delgado and/or [NAME REMOVED FOR SANITY'S SAKE]."

From: http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/37810.htm

"The Mets might not be done spending big money. Beltran called fellow Puerto Rican and free agent Carlos Delgado on Sunday, according to The Times, in an attempt to help lure the slugging first baseman to the Mets."

From: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1963185

 

[MASB]

i just started day dreaming of watching a baseball game. yankees at home, day game. moose on the mound and he strikes out the side. he walks off the mound staring down a couple feet ahead of him with no emotion and the stadium is going crazy. and it put the hugest smile on my face.

Only for him to not get to the dugout before he falls to the ground screaming "KNEE!! CARTILIDGE!!! I GOT NONE!!!!"

lol. It's sad that that occured to my mind. But seriously Randy's my favorite pitcher behind Smoltz, so I wouldn't really want anything to happen to him (even if I dislike his team).

 

[Miguel]

For those who missed it...

http://www.apolloxviii.com/download/beltran/beltran.mp3

I promised my bud I'd spread it around. He figures it has a shelf life of about a week, so get it out while I can.

 

[carbonbased]

For those who missed it...

http://www.apolloxviii.com/download/beltran/beltran.mp3

I promised my bud I'd spread it around. He figures it has a shelf life of about a week, so get it out while I can.

:lol Thanks, that was actually really cool. Makes this bitter situation a little more tolerable.