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speshylives
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I hope I'm proved wrong, but I absolutely agree that it was not the right move... unless its to package Wright with Vazquez and Gordon to ship to Arizona for Johnson.
Ninja Scooter
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btw, how lucky are the RedSox looking right now that Lowe and Nomar turned down those huge extensions in the offseason?
evil solrac v3.0
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this wasnt a good move by the yanks. i think tey should have stuck with lieber. and with miguel cairo. womack's defense istn good enough and his OBP isnt that great.
evil solrac v3.0
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speshylives said:
why would arizona takes wright's money now?
speshylives
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Delusions of grandeur.
evil solrac v3.0
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speshylives said:
wishful thinking? or isit wishful sinful? dont the diamondabacks want a reliever though?
christ who's running that place in arizona? they lost 111 games!!! they should start rebuilding, not holding to such a big contract.
speshylives
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Joe Garagiola Jr., but I think the problem is in ownership. They had a few horrendous bouts with injury, and then they made the stupid Sexson deal.
I think I'm going to start going to some Marlins games next year. Pro Player is a horrendous park for baseball, but the team is definitely interesting and it's a lot more enjoyable to watch games when you could care less who wins.
I think I'm going to start going to some Marlins games next year. Pro Player is a horrendous park for baseball, but the team is definitely interesting and it's a lot more enjoyable to watch games when you could care less who wins.
evil solrac v3.0
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speshylives said:
true dat. baseball is enjoyable for me either way though. you planning on migrating north to watch any yankee home games?
speshylives
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I'd like to, but every time I make it back home I wind up either stuck at work in New Jersey or bombed to the point where I can't walk in Flushing, Queens. Last time it was so bad I missed the entirety of Memorial Day.
It's a shame, Yankee stadium and even ugly Shea stadium were nice places to watch a game. You go down here to stupid Pro Player and it's this cavernous empty place with absolutely no personality. Now they want to build a new stadium downtown in the worst possible area, and it'll probably make things even less enticing.
You get to the stadium much?
It's a shame, Yankee stadium and even ugly Shea stadium were nice places to watch a game. You go down here to stupid Pro Player and it's this cavernous empty place with absolutely no personality. Now they want to build a new stadium downtown in the worst possible area, and it'll probably make things even less enticing.
You get to the stadium much?
speshylives
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Welp, Leiber is officially gone. Phillies, 3 years - 21 million. Thankfully, George opened up his purse and spent the same exact money on Jared Wright and his 5.00 career era to fill his spot.
Wright's ERA in the playoffs last year - 9.31. In 9 innings across 2 games, he gave up 5 home runs.
Leiber? 3.43. And he was one fart blown Mark Bellhorn home run from giving up only 2 runs in 2 games to the Red Sox.
Hmm... proven under pressure or choking bitch who has nightmares about Carlos Beltran? If the Yankees sign Beltran, will Wright shit himself every day he gets to the club house?
Wright's ERA in the playoffs last year - 9.31. In 9 innings across 2 games, he gave up 5 home runs.
Leiber? 3.43. And he was one fart blown Mark Bellhorn home run from giving up only 2 runs in 2 games to the Red Sox.
Hmm... proven under pressure or choking bitch who has nightmares about Carlos Beltran? If the Yankees sign Beltran, will Wright shit himself every day he gets to the club house?
evil solrac v3.0
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havent gone to the stadium much lately. and i'm as die-hard as they come. my buddy and i are planning to see if we can go to any games next year......
you know, the jared wright thing doesnt make much sense. unless the yanks think lieber will break down? or too old? (doubt that one) steinbrenner has lost it i think.....
you know, the jared wright thing doesnt make much sense. unless the yanks think lieber will break down? or too old? (doubt that one) steinbrenner has lost it i think.....
http://nypost.com/sports/yankees/32603.htm
Before signing a one-year deal for $8 million to stay with the Cubs, Nomar Garciaparra instructed agent Arn Tellem to find out if the Yankees wanted the former Red Sox shortstop to play second base in The Bronx and become the second shortstop in two winters to move to a new position in order to be a Yankee.
Before signing a one-year deal for $8 million to stay with the Cubs, Nomar Garciaparra instructed agent Arn Tellem to find out if the Yankees wanted the former Red Sox shortstop to play second base in The Bronx and become the second shortstop in two winters to move to a new position in order to be a Yankee.
evil solrac v3.0
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Joe said:
it's the post joe.....
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Joe said:
Why on earth did we say no? When healthy he has one of the best bats in the league. His defense wouldn't have been a big problem at 2nd base either. We take some scrub pitcher but turn down a guy with a battitng title.
It would have been so great ot see him do somethign good against the Red Sox.
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Sactown said:
remenber when he sat out that game against the yanks? the one where jeter dived into the stands? that's why. he's gutless. and we need PITCHING not hittting. this isnt hard to comprehend here people.
shenanigans0201
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Update: Yankee Fans Are Joining Red Sox Nation "By the Thousands"
"Apparently there has been such an exodus from Yankee Country after the 2004 ALCS, that MLB has now set up a special online form for Yankee fans who would like to convert and become "official" members of RSN as well."
credit: bostondirtdogs
btw the red sox nation membership cards are so fucking stupid. i don't need a card to prove i'm a member.
"Apparently there has been such an exodus from Yankee Country after the 2004 ALCS, that MLB has now set up a special online form for Yankee fans who would like to convert and become "official" members of RSN as well."
credit: bostondirtdogs
btw the red sox nation membership cards are so fucking stupid. i don't need a card to prove i'm a member.
speshylives
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Yeah, the Marlins getting a stadium deal done here is quite the long shot. Wayne Huizenga sold off a WS winner, and then John Henry took over and pissed everyone off some more.
They built things back up with the World Series win under Loria, but then they went and let Pudge go. Here's a hint, when 90% of your fan base is hispanic, you don't let a guy with the last name Rodriguez go.
They're also still pushing for a stadium in the worst possible place. They want to do something by the Orange Bowl, which is just as bad if not worse than the Bronx.
As for joining Red Sox nation... fuck'em. They weren't Yankee fans to begin with.
Garciaparra would have been a waste. Batting champ or not, he's just not necessary. Any money spent on anything beyond pitching is wasted. The only bat to go after would be Beltran's, and maybe someone to play first if you can void Giambi's contract.
They built things back up with the World Series win under Loria, but then they went and let Pudge go. Here's a hint, when 90% of your fan base is hispanic, you don't let a guy with the last name Rodriguez go.
They're also still pushing for a stadium in the worst possible place. They want to do something by the Orange Bowl, which is just as bad if not worse than the Bronx.
As for joining Red Sox nation... fuck'em. They weren't Yankee fans to begin with.
Garciaparra would have been a waste. Batting champ or not, he's just not necessary. Any money spent on anything beyond pitching is wasted. The only bat to go after would be Beltran's, and maybe someone to play first if you can void Giambi's contract.
speshylives
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I guess that's there Sexson replacement. With all their injury luck, medical exam or not, you'd think they would be scared of Glaus.
Wow, 17 million for Kent. That's pretty crazy. I wasn't sure if the agent, or Astros, were lying when there was a rumor that a 1 year, 7 million contract, with incentives that would have made it a 2 year, 14 million dollar contract, was declined by Kent and his agent. Thanks Kent for a crazy 2 years, and thank you for one of the most amazing HRs in Astros history. We were only a game away. 
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1943703
what an asshole. he just went from fan favorite to battery target.
December 11, 2004 -- ANAHEIM It appears the Yankees have bested the Red Sox in the first offseason fight. According to multiple sources, Carl Pavano and the Yankees are drawing very close to getting a four-year deal worth about $42 million done. Once believed to be staying with the Marlins, the right-handed pitcher is leaning toward joining the Yankees over the Red Sox.
what an asshole. he just went from fan favorite to battery target.
December 11, 2004 -- ANAHEIM It appears the Yankees have bested the Red Sox in the first offseason fight. According to multiple sources, Carl Pavano and the Yankees are drawing very close to getting a four-year deal worth about $42 million done. Once believed to be staying with the Marlins, the right-handed pitcher is leaning toward joining the Yankees over the Red Sox.
Atomsmasher
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Why do they even bother doing this free agency stuff, they should just automatically sign everyone over to the yankees, because thats what ends up happening anyway. :|
Salary cap PLZ
Is there any word on what pitchers the Dodgers are going after right now? I've been hearing Matt Clemente and Tim Hudson, any truth to that?
Salary cap PLZ
Is there any word on what pitchers the Dodgers are going after right now? I've been hearing Matt Clemente and Tim Hudson, any truth to that?
http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spyanks1211,0,399844.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
"Cashman also said he expects Kevin Brown to return next season, mentioning his $15-million salary and no-trade clause as the main reasons. But the Yankees will most certainly explore trades for the 39-year-old righthander throughout the offseason. If they're not successful, they have talked about using him as a reliever next season."
"Cashman also said he expects Kevin Brown to return next season, mentioning his $15-million salary and no-trade clause as the main reasons. But the Yankees will most certainly explore trades for the 39-year-old righthander throughout the offseason. If they're not successful, they have talked about using him as a reliever next season."
speshylives
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Considering Pavano was the Marlins best pitcher far and away last year, I can understand the angst.
Pavano actually looked pretty good the past two seasons. Last year was obviously better than the previous, but he does put in a lot of innings. Not a dominating strikeout pitcher, but he's got good placement. I definitely don't think of him as more than a third/fourth starter though and that is enough money to put him in the Ed Whitson collosal failure zone.
I'm leaning towards trying to have some faith that Kevin Brown will stick around and be the Kevin Brown that's expected. When he's not punching walls, he has some nasty stuff. It may be worth giving him a shot rather than trying to trade him with 100million for a pile of shit.
As for Wells going to Boston, oh well. Steinbrenner did kind of chase him out..twice. He did kind of suck two years ago when his fat ass put so much of a strain on his back that he couldn't pitch against the Marlins. He is a great pitcher though. As much as I'd hate to say it, I would think that money would be better to add to whatever they offered Pedro.
Pavano actually looked pretty good the past two seasons. Last year was obviously better than the previous, but he does put in a lot of innings. Not a dominating strikeout pitcher, but he's got good placement. I definitely don't think of him as more than a third/fourth starter though and that is enough money to put him in the Ed Whitson collosal failure zone.
I'm leaning towards trying to have some faith that Kevin Brown will stick around and be the Kevin Brown that's expected. When he's not punching walls, he has some nasty stuff. It may be worth giving him a shot rather than trying to trade him with 100million for a pile of shit.
As for Wells going to Boston, oh well. Steinbrenner did kind of chase him out..twice. He did kind of suck two years ago when his fat ass put so much of a strain on his back that he couldn't pitch against the Marlins. He is a great pitcher though. As much as I'd hate to say it, I would think that money would be better to add to whatever they offered Pedro.
Just remember, that's more money for Beltran to re-sign. For some reason the yanks aren't interested in him, so maybe he'll wind up staying in Houston.Miguel said:Wow, 17 million for Kent. That's pretty crazy. I wasn't sure if the agent, or Astros, were lying when there was a rumor that a 1 year, 7 million contract, with incentives that would have made it a 2 year, 14 million dollar contract, was declined by Kent and his agent. Thanks Kent for a crazy 2 years, and thank you for one of the most amazing HRs in Astros history. We were only a game away.
firex said:
D-Backs are also apparently not down w/ with the Yanks are willing to give up for Johnson (at least for now). Just like last season, they're not going to cave just b/c everyone knows the Yanks are the only team Johnson would accept a trade to. All I know is that if they had gotten Johnson they would have swept the Sox and probably swept the WS too, but instead the Sox did what it took to get the proven pitcher from the D-Backs (granted the D-Backs got raped in that deal, probably another reason why they won't give up Johnson for shit). Well, enjoy Pavano! Maybe next year!
speshylives
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Boston (and Peter Gammons) had the world convinced Casey Fossom was the next big thing. The Diamondbacks bought it. Whoops, rape is not the word. Fleeced, pillaged and raped is more like it.
In their defense, there were many a trade that Boston balked at in prior years because they didn't want to give up on Fossom. And every Sportscenter, Gammons would gush about how much of a stud Fossom was going to be.
He's still young though I guess.
In their defense, there were many a trade that Boston balked at in prior years because they didn't want to give up on Fossom. And every Sportscenter, Gammons would gush about how much of a stud Fossom was going to be.
He's still young though I guess.
Ninja Scooter
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Joe said:
as opposed to Wade Boggs or Roger Clemens? Hell, the Yankees shipped off Wells first chance they got to get Clemens from Toronto, so its not like there was a whole lot of loyalty there.
brooklyngooner
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Rodriguez said:
The problem with this deal when you actually break it down is that it isn't the greatest proposal for someone of Johnson's caliber. Vasquez can opt out of his deal if he's traded after the 2005 season, which he'd likely do. Halsey and/or Graman are not the prospects the Yankees hype them to be, and everybody knows it (look at their numbers). Duncan, if thrown in, is good, but anyone else is A-level and Gordon is relatively old and proved he can't handle pressure by throwing up in the bullpen and coughing up leads against the Sox. So what you're left with is basically saving money on Johnson (fine), a pitcher who had a very shaky year who will likely leave anyway, an aging closer and marginal prospects (not fine). Not the best.
The bottom line is the Yankees don't have much to offer the way they used to.
evil solrac v3.0
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AstroLad said:
well somebody's bitter. how do you suppose that ortiz and glauss are gonna help you overcome the dodgers and giants in that division? the D-backs have a lot more problems. way too many to have them solved by a third baseman and a so-so pitcher. randy can get them those chips to help them rebuild....... but the problem is no team out there has the money and prospects for it.
johnson a shaky year?! the tema sucked hard!! what was he supposed to do!?
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