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[DarienA]

I think you're confusing 2005 with 1980 ... for Star Wars anyways.

I'm not crazy about the look of Batman Begins though. The suit and the Batmobile, seem like steps backwards from the Burton designs.

The batmobile yeah... the suit? Nyah... I had issue with the batmobile at first too... but then I got to thinking... for his first vehicle he's probably not going to have as much time to custom design something and he's probably going to look to grab something "off the shelf" from Wayne tech and work with that...

 

[Willco]

I'm not crazy about the look of Batman Begins though. The suit and the Batmobile, seem like steps backwards from the Burton designs.

Are you crazy?

How can anyone prefer the rubber suits of the Burton era? Batman can actually move now. And the penismobile is way overrated.

 

[The Bookerman]

Are you crazy?

How can anyone prefer the rubber suits of the Burton era? Batman can actually move now. And the penismobile is way overrated.

Burton and Nolan both drew inspiration from the same line of comic: Dark Knight returns.

Burton's batman is not perfect, I agree, but it was far better than the schumacher movies.

Batman never wanted to kill the joker. That's a flaw in Burton's batman.

The stupid Tank batmobile(from begins) looks like crap from up front.

The penismobile looks better in my mind.

 

[Willco]

HOW CAN YOU DENY THIS SEXY BEAST?

 

[DarienA]

Burton and Nolan both drew inspiration from the same line of comic: Dark Knight returns.

Burton's batman is not perfect, I agree, but it was far better than the schumacher movies.

Batman never wanted to kill the joker. That's a flaw in Burton's batman.

The stupid Tank batmobile(from begins) looks like crap from up front.

The penismobile looks better in my mind.

I think it's funny how you acknowledge the Dark Knight Returns ideas, and then neglect to mention what the Batmobile looked like in DKR also that Batman stops himself from killing the Joker in DKR even though it's pretty obvious he wants to.....

And as a Batman reader for YEARS... I have serious reservations about your statement that Batman never wanted to kill the Joker.... it certainly looks like he wants to kill him in last years HUSH storyline....

 

[ManaByte]

Burton and Nolan both drew inspiration from the same line of comic: Dark Knight returns.

Bzzt. Sorry, Nolan's Batman is heavily influenced by Year One. About the only thing it has in common with Burton's Batman is Batman himself.

The stupid Tank batmobile(from begins) looks like crap from up front.

The penismobile looks better in my mind.

The stupid Tank mobile can jump circles around the plastic penismobile.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Seriously the Haters need to STFU!

This is BATMAN BEGINS = meaning when he was young still angry and bad ass...

In this movie Bruce drives a normal Penis Mobile called a Lambo (it has a name of a bat) thats sex enough for the coochie (he drives himself in this move not taken around by alfred)

While Batman drives something to KICK ALL KINDS OF ASS

 

[ManaByte]

Batman Begins > Spider-Man 2 and Superman

 

[Willco]

WHOA, WAIT A SECOND TEX.

Let's not say things we can't take back.

 

[The Bookerman]

Bzzt. Sorry, Nolan's Batman is heavily influenced by Year One. About the only thing it has in common with Burton's Batman is Batman himself.

True

The stupid Tank mobile can jump circles around the plastic penismobile.

It looks ugly. That's my only grips with it. It looks TOO rough.
It's functional I'll give you that. The Penismobile looks more menacing.

 

[ManaByte]

True



It looks ugly. That's my only grips with it. It looks TOO rough.
It's functional I'll give you that. The Penismobile looks more menacing.

The penismobile looks like a toy.

The tankmobile looks like something that'll pounce on you.

 

[AssMan]

Batman Begins > Spider-Man 2 and Superman

The future, is NOW!

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I side with Bruce who drives a nice ass ride
http://www.thezreview.co.uk/news2/news1028.htm
http://www.thezreview.co.uk/news2/news1017.htm

I like the fact that Batman gets something with a bit more muscle
Wait until you see the chase seen before you hate on this TankMobile

- I also like the fact that this batman is close to the real world his Gotham is Chicago not so made up set for god sake!

damn I need to go to sleep

 

[soundwave05]

I side with Bruce who drives a nice ass ride
http://www.thezreview.co.uk/news2/news1028.htm
http://www.thezreview.co.uk/news2/news1017.htm

I like the fact that Batman gets something with a bit more muscle
Wait until you see the chase seen before you hate on this TankMobile

- I also like the fact that this batman is close to the real world his Gotham is Chicago not so made up set for god sake!

damn I need to go to sleep

Gotham City isn't supposed to be Chicago though, there's always a fantastical element to it.

I think Nolan might be going to a bit too serious with this Batman, but we'll see how it plays.

If its too drab/dull, I'm predicting a big box office opening, but a huge drop-off in the weeks afterwards.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Gotham City isn't supposed to be Chicago though, there's always a fantastical element to it.

does not matter to me I wanted something new I really hated not being able to identify with the city that the first few Batman movies had... Metropolis should not be NYC yet I loved Superman

look at the plate on the car it says "Gotham"

 

[DarienA]

does not matter to me I wanted something new I really hated not being able to identify with the city that the first few Batman movies had... Metropolis should not be NYC yet I loved Superman

Gotham City features a guy running around dressed in straw, a guy who looks like a crocodile, a guy with a freezing un, and a guy who is a psychotic clown... etc.... and you hated that you couldn't t identify with Gotham City?

Okaaaaaaay.

 

[soundwave05]

Metropolis is basically supposed to be your average NYC-type city.

Gotham City has always been a bit more of a fantasy-styled environment, its one of main things which seperates Batman from Superman stylistically.

If the movie is good though none of that stuff should matter. I don't know if this is really that much more of a "definitive" version than Burton's Batman though.

It looks like both Burton and Nolan have taken large creative license here, Burton's world skewed a bit more towards his quirky/fantasy style, while Nolan's take on Batman seems really dry and perhaps overly realistic.

Still not thrilled about Rhas Al Ghul's daughter not being in the movie either.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Gotham City features a guy running around dressed in straw, a guy who looks like a crocodile, a guy with a freezing un, and a guy who is a psychotic clown... etc.... and you hated that you couldn't t identify with Gotham City?

Okaaaaaaay.

Shit I see that everyday

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Metropolis is basically supposed to be your average NYC-type city.

Gotham City has always been a bit more of a fantasy-styled environment, its one of main things which seperates Batman from Superman stylistically.

It looks like both Burton and Nolan have taken large creative license here, Burton's world skewed a bit more towards his quirky/fantasy style, while Nolan's take on Batman seems really dry and perhaps overly realistic.

I agree with you the Real Gotham is someplace in the middle still I want to give this movie a chance because I don't think its going to be 100% a Realistic Chicago

Based on the Chase back to the batcave ... the woods... the docks... the phycho hospital...
Shoot 25% of the film is not even in Gotham!

 

[Willco]

If the movie is good though none of that stuff should matter. I don't know if this is really that much more of a "definitive" version than Burton's Batman though.

It is. By far. It's not even close, considering fans acknowledge the animated series as definitive over Burton's films. Batman Begins probably was one of the best scripts in all of 2004. Easily.

It looks like both Burton and Nolan have taken large creative license here, Burton's world skewed a bit more towards his quirky/fantasy style, while Nolan's take on Batman seems really dry and perhaps overly realistic.

Not really. Since you've only seen like, maybe a full minute of footage, it's hard to say that Nolan's Batman is "dry" and "overly" realistic (which is laughable at best). Dark and more grounded is like it, which is good.

Still not thrilled about Rhas Al Ghul's daughter not being in the movie either.

... It's an origin story. What, are we trying to KILL the film with so many characters?

 

[Liono]

The stupid Tank mobile can jump circles around the plastic penismobile.

Maybe, but does it have SHIELDS?

It is. By far. It's not even close, considering fans acknowledge the animated series as definitive over Burton's films. Batman Begins probably was one of the best scripts in all of 2004. Easily.

I think that's going a bit far, the only thing you have to go on is the script and a few teasers. On the other hand Burton's first batman is grounded into pop culture-- people who haven't read the comics think of burton's batman, his batmobile, and most of all Danny Elfman's score-- which is THE batman theme. Not to say this movie couldn't be the definitive batman, it has all the right elements going for it, but I think it will be hard to erase what Burton has done, at least to casual fans like me.

Really though, I don't see why people are so competitive about which batman is better. Isn't there anyone else who likes the comics, burton's flicks, the animated series and this new one all together?

 

[Willco]

I think that's going a bit far, the only thing you have to go on is the script and a few teasers.

I will take arguably one of the best scripts of 2004 and a couple of good looking teasers over the Burton flicks.

On the other hand Burton's first batman is grounded into pop culture--

Not so much anymore. Burton's Batman came out in 1989. You have an entire generation that wasn't around during its release or weren't old enough to see it. I mean, sure, for the 20-something crowd, the Burton flicks are the main deal, but the animated series is easily the defenitive Batman.

people who haven't read the comics think of burton's batman, his batmobile, and most of all Danny Elfman's score-- which is THE batman theme. Not to say this movie couldn't be the definitive batman, it has all the right elements going for it, but I think it will be hard to erase what Burton has done, at least to casual fans like me.

It's not just comic book fans that realize what Burton did wrong. Burton's original is popular, there is no doubt. But this film will introduce Batman to those who don't know Batman and do it in a way that won't piss off fans and older audiences.

I'm not sure if you remember, but there was a lot of backlash from older audiences that pretty much thought the Batman they grew up with was almost evil with Burton's meddling. Whether it be old farts that wanted Adam West or those that remember that Batman does not murder people, Burton's original was not necessarily a faithful, beloved adaptation to all.

Really though, I don't see why people are so competitive about which batman is better. Isn't there anyone else who likes the comics, burton's flicks, the animated series and this new one all together?

No.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

i love Burton's movie (much less so Returns), the animated series, and this new movie. I don't see what the big deal is. I guess its cause i really like Burton as a filmmaker, so i don't mind as much that he "burton-ized" Batman and left his touch, as much as others would be annoyed by it. Hell, the creators of the animated series would probably tell you that if it wasn't for Burton's Batman, there would have never been an animated series.

one thing i never understand is why people get so angry about Batman killing Joker in the '89 movie. I mean, i know Batman isn't supposed to be a vengeful killer, but didn't he technically kill Joker in self defense? Its not that far fetched and out of character to me.

 

[Willco]

I don't get angry about Batman's involuntary murder of the Joker as much as I get angry that Batman shoots and murders henchmen.

Or in Returns, he ties up a bomb to a henchmen and murders him.

Batman is a murderer.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Burton's BAtman had horrible scripts. The plot was laughable he is pure Style over substance.

 

[Ghost]

I was just watching the Audience with Kevin Smith DVD (great dvd) and it mentioned something burton once said "Anyone who knows me knows ive never read a comic book"


Kinda summed up his Batman film for me.


That said i liked the film, it just wasnt really batman.





PS The trailer was awesome, but the Superbowl spot was better. Im gonna start saving my pennies for when that batmobile goes on ebay.

 

[ManaByte]

I will take arguably one of the best scripts of 2004 and a couple of good looking teasers over the Burton flicks.

Plus, at Comic Con Goyer said Warner didn't touch anything in the script and nothing from the released footage looks to be radically different from the script.

 

[Willco]

I was just watching the Audience with Kevin Smith DVD (great dvd) and it mentioned something burton once said "Anyone who knows me knows ive never read a comic book"


Kinda summed up his Batman film for me.

:lol

Haha, I remember Kevin Smith was talking about his Superman script and his supposed feud with Burton when he heard that Burton said that he never read a comic book.

And he said, "Then I thought to myself, 'I guess that explains Batman!'"

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Ofcourse it would help if KEvin Smith wasnt such a hack himself

 

[Willco]

Ofcourse it would help if KEvin Smith wasnt such a hack himself

The guy made Clerks. And Clerks: The Animated Series! Leave him alone!

And his comic books, when finished, are quite good.

 

[Shinobi]

i love Burton's movie (much less so Returns), the animated series, and this new movie. I don't see what the big deal is. I guess its cause i really like Burton as a filmmaker, so i don't mind as much that he "burton-ized" Batman and left his touch, as much as others would be annoyed by it. Hell, the creators of the animated series would probably tell you that if it wasn't for Burton's Batman, there would have never been an animated series.

one thing i never understand is why people get so angry about Batman killing Joker in the '89 movie. I mean, i know Batman isn't supposed to be a vengeful killer, but didn't he technically kill Joker in self defense? Its not that far fetched and out of character to me.

No doubt the animated series doesn't exist without the movie, but that's no credit to Burton. If Schumacher had made the first film and generated 200 mill, it would've been every bit as responsible for the existance of the animated movie. It was simply an extension of a property that had become hot again, which happens all the time.

As far as Batman's murdering tendancies go, the ridiculous part was how Batman went about it. First he blows up an entire warehouse full of hoodlums with a remote controled Didlomobile just to ace one guy. Then he tries to fire on Joker from 300 feet up in his Batwing while he stands in a crowded street, and somehow misses. It's made all the more ridiculous when Batman was moralizing to Catwoman in Returns about not taking the life of the man who pushed her out of a fucking window. :lol

 

[Liono]

No doubt the animated series doesn't exist without the movie, but that's no credit to Burton. If Schumacher had made the first film and generated 200 mill, it would've been every bit as responsible for the existance of the animated movie. It was simply an extension of a property that had become hot again, which happens all the time.

Good one :lol

 

[Ninja Scooter]

No doubt the animated series doesn't exist without the movie, but that's no credit to Burton. If Schumacher had made the first film and generated 200 mill, it would've been every bit as responsible for the existance of the animated movie. It was simply an extension of a property that had become hot again, which happens all the time.

l

i don't mean just because it was succesful. It brought the "dark, gritty" batman to the mainstream. Sure comic geeks had seen it years earlier with Year One and DKN, but think back. To casual, more mainstream people, Batman was a joke before Burton's movie came along. It was associated with the Bat-tussy, Eartha Kitt, and a gayass looking Robin. EVen the creators themselves credit Burton's Batman movies as the inspiration for the cartoon on one of the commentaries of the Animated Series dvd set.

 

[Shinobi]

Oh if that's what you mean then I guess that's legit. Thankfully the animators decided to create good stories as well.

 

[nitewulf]

fantastic trailer, this movie screams badass. my fav comic --> movie so far is spiderman, and i thought spiderman 2 was too mushy. loved both xmen movies as well. but this should be really, really good.

 

[ManaByte]

Speaking of Spider-Man 2, it and Batman Begins have something in common.

Ending Spoilers. Do not highlight if you don't want to know the last lines spoken in Batman Begins.

Spoiler

The ending of Spider-Man 2 perfectly captures the Peter/Mary Jane relationship. "Go get 'em Tiger."

While the ending of Batman Begins perfectly captures the Batman/Gordon relationship:
GORDON
I never said thank you.
Batman looks out at the lights of Gotham. Cloak billowing around him.
BATMAN
And you'll never have to.

 

[Matlock]

Gh, that ending blows. It'd be much better if they stopped at the

Spoiler

oh shit I'm using spoilers for something fucking obvious, but hey! joker

line.

MATLOCK REVISION

Spoiler

GORDON
I never said thank you.

Gordon turns around a moment, then looks back to notice Batman is gone.

 

[ManaByte]

Gh, that ending blows. It'd be much better if they stopped at the

Spoiler

oh shit I'm using spoilers for something fucking obvious, but hey! joker

line.

There isn't a "line" about

Spoiler

Joker

. Just this:

Spoiler

GORDON (CONT'D)
Take this guy...

He pulls out a clear plastic evidence bag.

GORDON (CONT'D)
...armed robbery, double homicide...

Inside the clear plastic bag is a PLAYING CARD.

GORDON (CONT'D)
Got a taste for theatrics, like you...

Gordon hands Batman the bag.

GORDON (CONT'D)
Leaves a calling card.

Batman turns the card over.

It is a JOKER.

They don't name him at all, they just use the visual to suggest it.

 

[Matlock]

You knew what I was talking about, mana.