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[ManaByte]

As has been pointed out, Phantasm is but one interpretation of Batman. It may be the one you like best, but batman is not limited to his actions in today's comics or animated movies. He has an entire history, one where he sometimes killed people and put vengeance ahead of justice. I hope he kills someone in this new movie just to see people's reaction to it. We take something like twenty one thousand breaths in a day and die hard fans won't let comic character have a single one.

It's not comic exact, Yaaaaaaa! @_@

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I don't remember him directly killing anyone in the script.

 

[Liono]

J2 Cool if your going to judge burton's films, go by Batman 89, not Batman Returns-- that movie was more entertainment than substance. Not even in the same league as the first one, imo.

And another thing on the girl falling, because I just can't get over it. She falls on a box. And this is an obvious moment where they don't want to choose if she died or lived. Burton I'm sure has her die and probably was forced to put a box there. Still didn't break the fall at all. But there's no sense of danger, no real fear. It's all a bunch of clowns in a show. Filled with penguins strapped with rockets and everything else. Catwoman falls to her death only to land in kitty litter. How do you expect to hold a tense scene when you know shit like that's going to happen.

She fell on the box because the box was what lit up the christmas tree, which is ironic since her job was to flip the switch on the box and light up the tree-- but obviously not by falling on it. And she obviously died.

 

[Socreges]

After seeing the trailer, Batman Begins impressed me as being very... familiar. Now, on seeing it a second time, I understand why. It seems to be heavily influenced by Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

 

[J2 Cool]

I don't remember him directly killing anyone in the script.

np with this but still tag it. I don't understand why people read scripts before seeing the movie :-/

 

[Shinobi]

I saw all of that, and I saw equivalents of in the Burton movies. It wasn't uncommon for Alfred to make decisions for Bruce with his damned Jedi Mind tricks. Alfred and Bruce disagreed on Andrea? Guess what, they also disagreed on how to handle Vicki Vale. That's straight from the movie. Bats vanished into the night in Phantasm you say? You didn't see him do that like 4 times in the live action movie? You didn't see him obscure himself behind a cloud of mist? You didn't see him use stealth in his fights, or you didn't notice how they were playing up the urban myth angle? The dude was practically a Ninja. I think he even used Metsubushi at one point. I don't even see how you can suggest I was tearing Phantasm down. I'm one of the few who prefer the second movie to the first, and I think Val Kilmer was ten times the Batman that Keaton was.The series does own the movies, thanks to the freedom of animation and their love of the character. This has nothing to do with nostalgia. I have my problems with the movies. Things like killing the Joker were retarded. I'm not gonna sit around acting like it was as bad as the Captain America movie though.



I sure hope you're joking.

What do you want, scene examination? Very well.

The very first fight he used his stealth skills, AFTER he allowed himself to be shot for no good reason. Really didn't see any example of smart fighting there, in contrast to the character. And after he reappears and roughs 'em up a bit, he lets them go? Huh? These are two guys who just mugged a family, the very same circumstance that made him don the suit in the first place, to ensure no one else would have to go through that. And he let those people go? Tell me the logic there? Right there the movie was off to a shit start.

As far as Vicky Vale goes, tell me the logic of letting the chick waltz into the Batcave like it was a strip mall. Or getting shot in front of her in the first place. Then again why bother, she might've been the most useless character in the history of movies. Even if she was hot.

Look, ultimately I got no real feeling of a Batman movie. I simply got a Burton movie that happened to include a guy called Batman. It wasn't interesting...it was boring, slow paced, had little in terms of good action scenes, and was simply illogical. Why the hell did Batman decide to blow up an entire warehouse full of hoods to kill one man? And why did he tried to kill him again in the middle of a public street, and somehow miss anyway even though he was using the fucking Batwing (meanwhile Joker takes that down with one bullet from an impossible to use gun from two hundred feet out)? The more times I watch it, the sillier it looks.

And no, I wasn't joking...for what TMNT was bringing to the table, the fights still hold up. I can appreciate the fact that they were fighting in heavy costumes, which lessens the mobility and speed. Sure there was some cheesey fight scenes as well, but both of Raph's fights versus the Foot, the turtles sparring on the farm, and the turtles versus Shredder were pretty good stuff. Certainly pissed on anything Batman had going.

We agree on something at least...Val Kilmer's Batman/Bruce Wayne absolutely shredded Keaton's. And I think the script did more to develop his characters a bit, even if it was in the most basic sense. Too bad the rest of the script was shit.

Shinobi your argument for hating Batman sounds pretty thin, but to each his own-- I won't deny the animated series wasn't great. But what makes Batman for me a great FILM is that despite Burton doing his gothic desaturated look in most of his movies, the art direction for Batman was perfect (it won an academy award). Everything was very cohesive and made for a hell of a moody environment, much more so than what we'll see in Nolan's film. The crpytic matte paintings and sense of claustrophobia throughout really sold it.

Thin is liking a movie because it was dark, and because the car looked cool, and because one performance was notable. And as I already said, some of the scenes were too fucking ridiculous to be in the same universe as cohesive (in a positive sense anyway). I've never once denied that the movie's atmosphere was on point...problem is that's not good enough for me.

See, I may have mentioned twice on these boards how I think Batman was a "great" film. There's more of a prevalent appreciation of the movies, rather than a few people going around and constantly praising them. It's more you raping them in the ass with a grin on your face, I believe, than anyone sucking them off.

You say that as if that's wrong of me to do. :lol I legimtately enjoy the debate, as I am pretty passionate about the animated series, while generally abhoring the movies. At the end of the day everyone involved in the debate likes Batman, so at least we all have our common ground. We obviously just have different preferences of his interpretation.

It just wasn't right....

No Alien.

No Predator.

No Judge Dredd.

:lol :lol :lol I still haven't seen that video yet...

Burton, of course, disregarded decades of Batman lore, and brought him back to the original dark vigilante killer that he was back in the 30s, and with no seeming repurcussions from the law of Gotham. And that's perhaps the biggest "pet peeve" I've come to have about the Burton films over the years. Batman shouldn't be throwing villains down church towers, or blowing them up in factory explosions, and the Batmobile most definitely should not have built-in machine guns. And I don't care if Gotham is a corrupt sh*thole, the police are not going to be cool with some nutcase killing folks in the name of good.

Burton's Batman was out for revenge, not justice.

You know what the worst part was about all of that? It's how Batman tried to talk Catwoman out of killing the guy who threw her out of a fucking window in Returns. "OH NO, DON'T YOU KILL THE GUY WHO KILLED YOU...YOU'LL BECOME WORSE THEN HE IS. IT'S OKAY FOR ME THOUGH!!!" Stuff like that just makes the two movies all the more laughable.

One of the coolest scenes in Batman Beyond was the opening scene in the very first episode. When Bruce struggles mightily in a battle against a couple of kidnappers, he reached for a gun that was lying on a floor and held it up at them with his hands shaking. At that point he decided to put the threads away for good. Knowing how Bruce felt about using guns, it was a really cool way to show how he exited the game.

I think what bothers me the most in Burton's flicks, including Batman's cavalier attitude about killing people (I'll put this bomb on a fat guy and blow him up LOL AM I RITE?), is the fact that he used the Batmobile all the time. No running on rooftops. No crazy grappling hook antics. None of that. He was so goddamn lazy.

I think that's why I like Nolan's script so much; when Batman uses the Tumbler/Batmobile, it's for a REASON and not because he's too fucking lazy to walk.

Heh, so true...that's another element that's missing that I tend to forget. It's a huge part of the animated series, and was put to great use in the kick ass chase scene in Phantasm.

There is some definite detective work, but it's not the strongest aspect of the script and Batman more or less makes some rookie mistakes since this is his first tour of duty as the Dark Knight.

I mean - hell! - (spoilers here!)

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Bruce Wayne doesn't even fight crime in the Batsuit initially!

Heh, just like Mask of the Phantasm...

No, its more because Burton took way too much inspiration from the old TV series. The new batmobile each movie showed what Burton thought was important in the Batman series. Unfortunately Batman was a back drop in his own movie. Burtons set designs, guest star villains(and sidekicks), futuristic vehicles and cool gadgets were the stars of his movies.

The only thing Burton did for the Batman series was bury one of the most marketable characters in a deep hole which I'm happy to see him finally crawl out of.


The trailer looks great. I always wanted to see them spend time on his origin.

Probably the best sum up post in the entire thread.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

forget abour being faithful to the comic the first batman movie was mediocre at best in terms of story/script.

 

[Shinobi]

Ok, well, I watched Mask of the Phantasm today and upon finishing that, Batman Returns was on encore and I seen most of it. Mask of the Phantasm was so much better it was ridiculous. Both had a girl who was both villain and lover and Phantasm just handled it so much better.

Batman just seems so flimsy in the Burton films. As noted, he kills, then they try and do scenes where he tells Catwoman not to do it when she had Walkens guy at her mercy. Meanwhile he's already planted a bomb on Penguin and smirked. I mean, wtf? He just never seems to have to make a moral stand. There's no repercussions, no decisions to make, no character. I admire Burton's Gotham, his art, and a bit of his dark atmosphere. I admire Catwoman's character as well and Pfeifer's performance. But his Batman is ridiculous. When his Batman is pleading with Catwoman to go home, I almost laughed. When Phantasm's Batman pleads with Andrea, the words stood for something actually.

There's just so many things wrong with it. Like, when Batman let the girl fall from the roof in returns. I swear, I'm sitting there waiting for him to jump or something. He does nothing. That was Batman's struggle. Between justice and between revenge. As Alfred said in Phantasm, he's feared Bruce walks that line every night but has never given in to revenge. He goes through these obstacles because that's what he believes in. I mean, if Batman's motive was simply revenge and he didn't care who died, none of the villains would have even lasted with him.

Also, on the ability of Batman. The ammount of walking he does in Burton's flicks is absolutely ridiculous. Again, on the chick that fell from the rooftop. Before he gets to the roof he makes a point to have a nice cool walk while her life is on the line. He never runs. Because it wouldn't be cool in Burton's world. Style over substance to an insane ammount. Also, Batmobile used everywhere with absolutely no swinging is another grievance of mine.

And another thing on the girl falling, because I just can't get over it. She falls on a box. And this is an obvious moment where they don't want to choose if she died or lived. Burton I'm sure has her die and probably was forced to put a box there. Still didn't break the fall at all. But there's no sense of danger, no real fear. It's all a bunch of clowns in a show. Filled with penguins strapped with rockets and everything else. Catwoman falls to her death only to land in kitty litter. How do you expect to hold a tense scene when you know shit like that's going to happen.

About what Phantasm did right though. Showing how torn he is when he finds love and has to choose between it and his burden as the Dark Knight, how much he believes in justice, his brilliance in detective work, clever stories.. That movie's just so great. And recreating that scene where the police have him surrounded in a kind of construction zone. That was awesome. It's amazing how suspenseful that is seeing him really surrounded, bleeding and all. Definetly one of the best works of Batman out there. I'm so grateful to Bruce Timm and those guys for that series. I may have never become a fan of Batman without it. Or at least it would have been awhile before I took notice of Batman.

I stand corrected...THIS is the best sum up post in the entire thread. Talking about nailing it on the fucking head.

After seeing the trailer, Batman Begins impressed me as being very... familiar. Now, on seeing it a second time, I understand why. It seems to be heavily influenced by Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Again, that's a good thing...was looking at some scenes on the DVD not long ago, and the movie still holds up despite some flaws and weak spots. The overall feel is just perfect, and illogical, stupid moments are kept to a minimum. That's why I rank it as one of the best comic-based movies ever.


For those who love the Burton flicks, I wonder if they've seen it sometime during the last ten years. More often then not those who revisit it after such a long period of time immediately see just how flawed those movies were.

forget abour being faithful to the comic the first batman movie was mediocre at best in terms of story/script.

That's been my point all along...the movie was weak by any measure. Comparing it to Mask of the Phantasm simply makes those weaknesses a lot more apparant, to the point of being jarring.

 

[Dan]

If this thread has been good for anything, it's for reminding how cool the first TMNT movie was. I need to order that pronto.

Also, in short, I would agree that Burton's Batman is a flawed film regardless of its association with other Batman properties.

 

[Xenon]

Batman just seems so flimsy in the Burton films. As noted, he kills, then they try and do scenes where he tells Catwoman not to do it when she had Walkens guy at her mercy. Meanwhile he's already planted a bomb on Penguin and smirked. I mean, wtf? He just never seems to have to make a moral stand. There's no repercussions, no decisions to make, no character. I admire Burton's Gotham, his art, and a bit of his dark atmosphere. I admire Catwoman's character as well and Pfeifer's performance. But his Batman is ridiculous. When his Batman is pleading with Catwoman to go home, I almost laughed. When Phantasm's Batman pleads with Andrea, the words stood for something actually.

I agree. Its sad that the cartoon has more three dimensional characters.

This reminds me about how pissed off I was at Remi for fucking up(though not completely) Spiderman's origin. First, he had the Wrestling manager rip off parker giving him a reason to let the thief go by him. Then having the crook trip and fall out the window thus appeasing the need for revenge without any blood on parkers hands. That scene could have been so fucking awesome. Remi could have shown us Parker struggling with the desire to kill then guy. [/non related rant]


I haven't seen Phantasm since its release. I was a big fan of the series and left a little disappointed. I remember thinking that the relationship felt forced. After reading all the things in this thread, I think Ill check it out again.

 

[Dan]

I agree. Its sad that the cartoon has more three dimensional characters.

Not to derail this thread further...

Why is this sad? Sounds like one of those absurb beliefs that animation is an inherently inferior medium...

 

[Shinobi]

I think it's just the fact that the movies have (compared to an animated series) an unlimited budget, plus had some star power. While the atmosphere was top notch, it basically went to waste by having a weak characters with an equally weak script. They both could've been a lot better. That's what's sad.

On the other hand, it's shocking how well the show did develop things. It would've been easy to throw any piece of shit onto the wall to see what would've stuck...the show would've gotten a three year run regardless because of the Batman property being quite lucrative back then. Instead they went far beyond the call and created the best TV series I've ever seen in my life.

 

[darkiguana]

About what Phantasm did right though. Showing how torn he is when he finds love and has to choose between it and his burden as the Dark Knight, how much he believes in justice, his brilliance in detective work, clever stories.. That movie's just so great. And recreating that scene where the police have him surrounded in a kind of construction zone. That was awesome. It's amazing how suspenseful that is seeing him really surrounded, bleeding and all. Definetly one of the best works of Batman out there. I'm so grateful to Bruce Timm and those guys for that series. I may have never become a fan of Batman without it. Or at least it would have been awhile before I took notice of Batman.

Agree 100%. Whenever they have had the cops coming after Batman it has been very awesome. Because he is completely outnumbered and he really can't fight back the same way he can agaist crooks. They have done this in Year One, several times in the Animated Series, and even in Batman Beyond.

The animated series is what really got me into Batman. I used to like the burton movies until then. Now they are nearly unwatchable.

 

[Wendo]

"YOU WANNA GET NUTS?! C'MON! LET'S GET NUTS!"

 

[Socreges]

Again, that's a good thing...was looking at some scenes on the DVD not long ago, and the movie still holds up despite some flaws and weak spots. The overall feel is just perfect, and illogical, stupid moments are kept to a minimum. That's why I rank it as one of the best comic-based movies ever.

It was really only familiar in that there was training and a few ninjas. I was otherwise joking. But yeah, fun movie. Good feel, too, but I also think that of Batman, so go figure.

For those who love the Burton flicks, I wonder if they've seen it sometime during the last ten years. More often then not those who revisit it after such a long period of time immediately see just how flawed those movies were.

I saw it pretty recently. A few years ago. And yes, without a doubt, flawed. But, for me, that doesn't stop it from being a great, entertaining film.

-edit- And for those that only see Liam Neeson as his SW character, you've got it easy. I can't help but think of him as Oskar Schindler (saw it not too long ago). :\

 

[Mike Works]

Socreges, we should go see Batman Begins on opening night and let out boisterous applause near the end of the film

 

[Hitman]

I think Batman Begins would do better if it took a page out of the Spider-Man movie. When Batman was hanging upside down he should have made out with that thug.

 

[Scrow]

what's to say he doesn't?

 

[Shinobi]

-edit- And for those that only see Liam Neeson as his SW character, you've got it easy. I can't help but think of him as Oskar Schindler (saw it not too long ago). :\

I only think of Liam Neeson as Darkman myself...yet another movie that I thought shredded Burton's Batman. :lol

I think Batman Begins would do better if it took a page out of the Spider-Man movie. When Batman was hanging upside down he should have made out with that thug.

:lol

 

[Bob White]

I love the trailer and Batman rocks. I have no real reason to be in this thread.

But.....

This is too damned funny and needed to be posted AGAIN. People, make this thing popular all around GAF. Seeing this pop up in a sells thread would rock.

 

[Liono]

For those who love the Burton flicks, I wonder if they've seen it sometime during the last ten years. More often then not those who revisit it after such a long period of time immediately see just how flawed those movies were.

I saw it not long ago and if anything I appreciate it more, I can't wait to get the new dvd release next year.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree since your obviously a batman nut-- I on the other hand couldn't care less if the first batman movie was based on any material at all. But for the record, I loved the animated series and it's movies-- I just can't draw any parallels between them and burton's film.

 

[Xenon]

Why is this sad? Sounds like one of those absurb beliefs that animation is an inherently inferior medium...

Its more of a jab at how shallow the characters are in the Burton movies and how the general public perceives animation. I couldn’t count the number of strange looks I got when I told people the animated series was that much better than the Burton movies. But people equate cartoons with kids or action. Though, live film definitely has an advantage when it comes to drama. This is especially true for intimate contact like kissing. So when an animated fillm/series is so much better than a live action film it is pretty sad. Being an inferior medium has nothing to do with it. Both mediums have advantages and disadvantages. I wouldn't change Iron Giant to live film or Shawshank Redemption to animation. Both films are perfect in their current format.

 

[Simo]

The official site has now posted the trailer. Below is the link to the Hi Res Quicktime version:
http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/batmanbegins/trailer/trailer_hi/trailer_a.mov

 

[Matrix]

The official site has now posted the trailer. Below is the link to the Hi Res Quicktime version:
http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/batmanbegins/trailer/trailer_hi/trailer_a.mov

Sweet thx Looks soooo much better,hail quicktime.

 

[MrPing1000]

I keep thinking this isn't going to do that well at the box office despite the fact it will probably be rather good. Its not actiony popcorny enough for the mainstream if u get my drift.

I'm probably wrong though

 

[Sriram]

Thats what Ive been thinking aswell MrPing. Im just not sure whether batman has any appeal anymore. And Bale seems to be box office poison despite being quite good. Hope Im wrong though.

Does anyone know what became of the batman vs superman film? Is it just delayed or cancelled all together.

 

[EekTheKat]

About what Phantasm did right though. Showing how torn he is when he finds love and has to choose between it and his burden as the Dark Knight, how much he believes in justice, his brilliance in detective work, clever stories.. That movie's just so great. And recreating that scene where the police have him surrounded in a kind of construction zone. That was awesome. It's amazing how suspenseful that is seeing him really surrounded, bleeding and all. Definetly one of the best works of Batman out there. I'm so grateful to Bruce Timm and those guys for that series. I may have never become a fan of Batman without it. Or at least it would have been awhile before I took notice of Batman.

IMHO,

Mask of the Phantasm has the single greatest scene in any batman movie to date in it -

When Bruce visits his parent's grave and tries to tell them that the pain doesn't hurt as much anymore, and that he doesn't want to be batman anymore, but then he eventually breaks down.

It's so simple, yet done in such a manner it added so much to the movie.

That one little scene made the animated Bruce Wayne so much more human than Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney combined.

Hell the entire movie was just fantastic.

 

[Matlock]

I'm downloading the official version right now...but I'm still keeping every rip from this thread.

Thanks--simo, agent dormer, milhouse, and lastly but not leastly muncheese for helping get the file out to the public.

And thank you to everyone in this thread other than Manabyte for making it a cool ride through a GAF NEWZ EXCLUSIVE!!!!one1!!1!

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okay, mana's thanked too

 

[Willco]

Thats what Ive been thinking aswell MrPing. Im just not sure whether batman has any appeal anymore. And Bale seems to be box office poison despite being quite good. Hope Im wrong though.

Batman has plenty of appeal. That's just crazy talk.

I don't know how Christian Bale is box office poision when he's only been in two real Hollywood features -- Reign of Fire and Shaft. Shaft was a big success, so much so they sequel is being dragged through development hell. Reign of Fire didn't do mediocre business because of Bale, but probably because most people aren't interested in an average film about a dragon apocalypse.

Does anyone know what became of the batman vs superman film? Is it just delayed or cancelled all together.

Wolfgang Peterson dropped that project to do Troy and now it is canned. Hooray!

 

[Willco]

Bruce Wayne: Ninja...

Where does he get those wonderful toys...

I was thinking of going with the Powder Blue, but I settled for Jet Black...

Damn, I make this look good...

What's better than a ninja? A shitload of ninjas...

This might be a bad time to tell you that I farted inside my suit...

 

[J2 Cool]

Sweet high res trailer. I think Batman's going to do amazingly and suprisingly well. By surprisingly, I mean, everyone expects Batman to be a blockbuster but I'm guessing it will be huge. At least X2 huge, maybe bigger. But that's just my prediction

 

[Shinobi]

IMHO,

Mask of the Phantasm has the single greatest scene in any batman movie to date in it -

When Bruce visits his parent's grave and tries to tell them that the pain doesn't hurt as much anymore, and that he doesn't want to be batman anymore, but then he eventually breaks down.

It's so simple, yet done in such a manner it added so much to the movie.

That one little scene made the animated Bruce Wayne so much more human than Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney combined.

Hell the entire movie was just fantastic.

My favourite scenes by far is the flashback where Bruce and Alfred discovered a shaft that lead to the eventual Batcave, with Wayne then getting word that Andrea wouldn't be able to marry him. After that you go from a guy that was heartbroken, to a potrait of his parents, and then into the dark, dreary Batcave, with a silohette of Bruce putting on his costume for the first time. He then signals Alfred for the mask, which is placed in his hand...looks at it for a moment, as if he knows he's about to be changed...then slips it on and turns around. All you see is the white of his eyes as Alfred lets out a shocked "My God..". The music really helps drive this moment home. It's one of the most bad ass scene I've ever seen in any movie.

My second favourite scene has Bats chasing Phantasm for the first time, briefly getting into a tussle, then half the police force descending on the scene to aprehend the Bat. The entire chase scene and lockdown at the construction site was such a well crafted scene, which shows him bleeding, injured, and even being forced to lose the cape and cowl. Just a lot of intensity in this scene.

 

[AssMan]

So uh, is the scarecrow going to be in it or was it all just a rumor?

 

[Willco]

So uh, is the scarecrow going to be in it or was it all just a rumor?

He's in it.

So is Captain Gordon, Lucious Fox, Carmine Falcone and Joe Chill, yet none are in the trailer. It's obvious Nolan's focus is on the MAIN CHARACTER.

 

[Shinobi]

OMG!!!11 TEH SHOCK!!!11

A Batman movie that focuses on the main character...how fucking novel.

 

[karasu]

All of this hype and ego is almost making me hope it sucks.

 

[J2 Cool]

All of this hype and ego is almost making me hope it sucks.

What do you mean, I don't see anything wrong with hype or expecting a movie to be great. What ego are you talking about?

 

[Shinobi]

All of this hype and ego is almost making me hope it sucks.

You're just a bitter Burton fanboy aren't you? :lol

 

[karasu]

naw, I dont even think the Batman films are anywhere near his best movies. I much prefer Edward Scissorhands and Ed Wood. I'm a Christian Bale fanboy lol. I got lots of hope but hype makes me hurl.

Plus, what's there to be biter about? The first Batman was a huge success. :lol

 

[AssMan]

Probably old:


"Thanks to a couple of unrelated sources, I was able to get a peek at The Scarecrow! The descriptions from two BOF sources were pretty much spot on. I can't show the pictures at this time as I promised the sources that I would not. But I can describe it a bit for you all.

It does look Leatherface-like and is sewn-up with big stitches at different spots all over the mask. The face/head area looks as if a human face had been melted and disfigured. It is also more form-fitting than one might imagine. It even has a few strands of hair on top and around the eyebrow area. It is downright frightening and disturbing and I can't wait to see how it looks on the big screen. Cillian Murphy is also wearing a suit and tie as previously described by a BOF source.

With all of that said, the pictures do seem to confirm that the audience will see different POV's of The Scarecrow. The pics that I viewed, seem to be The Scarecrow his gassed victims will see. I believe that we will also see the mask without the affects of fear gas."

 

[Shinobi]

naw, I dont even think the Batman films are anywhere near his best movies. I much prefer Edward Scissorhands and Ed Wood. I'm a Christian Bale fanboy lol. I got lots of hope but hype makes me hurl.

It's less about hype, and more about genuine excitement for me. Finally it looks like I'm going to get a Batman movie the way I want to see it made, and there isn't much that could excite me more in terms of movie concepts then that. I haven't even thought about how it could do at the box office, though I can't imagine it not being successful.

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Instead of making a new thread, some new pics...

Im taking this shit(Katie Holmes) back to the cave for a milking.

Fuck this is gonna rock.

 

[Bob White]

"When the muff confetti stops coming in, THAT'S when you should be worried."

 

[Shinobi]

Instead of making a new thread, some new pics...

Im taking this shit(Katie Holmes) back to the cave for a milking.

Fuck this is gonna rock.

Nolan looks boss...can't wait.

 

[Simo]

Didn't think a new thread was necessary but here's a snapshot from the Superbowl TV spot for Batman Begins that surfaced on the official site:

Speaking of the site, WB completely redesigned it with some new content and production art:
http://www2.warnerbros.com/batmanbegins/index.html

 

[COCKLES]

Underwhelming....but I've never been a Batman fan post the 60's series.

 

[jett]

Nolan looks boss...can't wait.

His name is Christian Bale.

 

[Shinobi]

His name is Christian Bale.

Whatever. :lol

 

[Willco]

Whatever. :lol

And you call yourself a Batman fan.

 

[Shinobi]

Eh...Kevin Conroy should be the Bat anyway. But Nolan...er, BALE is a good substitute.

 

[Matlock]

That guy? Be Batman? At 50? :lol

Maybe as an overdubbed voice, but jesus.