Batman v Superman - New Official Trailer
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I've shown the trailer to my spouse, co-workers, and friends and everyone likes it. Most made the same joke that DC stole the Hulk from Marvel at the end and Wonder Woman looks like she was just thrown in there out the blue. People that follow the comic movies think it gave away too much and those that don't just think it looks exciting.
Is that what DCGAF has been saying in response to this trailer?
That it will outgross Star Wars?
Surprised that people would think that giving away the twist was such a brilliant marketing strategy.
What twist? It's in the name of the movie and it was in the synopsis.
I really doubt this was a "OH SHIT" plot twist like everyone's saying it is.
Besides, the general public seems to be liking this trailer; mostly.
neogaffer1
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i think the running feeling is that DCGAF has taken so many blows over MoS and Snyder running the uni that they just sit down and take their blows, whereas MarvelGAF rarely does the same and instead views all MCU to be the best thing ever no matter what.
plus doomsday was leaked forever ago, as were other story beats, but parademons didn't get seen until a single second-long shot in this trailer. the fact that something that major could get hidden for so long and the fact we haven't seen any of the aquaman/flash/cyborg cameos means that there might be more twists or entire subplots hidden to us until later.
we also haven't seen any of (rumored but kind of confirmed)
jimmy olsen or carrie kelley
Iron Man 3 gave away the Party Protocol. Avengers gave away the Chitari Worm. MoS gave away the Metropolis fight and the wub wub machine. TDKR gave away the end brawl between the police and Bane's forces.
It's really par for the course. This trailer was just trying to do too much and be all things to all people and in the process showed too much of its hand for some people.
I recall a few Marvel zealots saying that AoU would outgross TFA. Most dismissed them as out of their minds, though.
Sibersk Esto
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But did any of those go against the narrative that the marketing was pushing? Most of the negative reaction I've seen in regards to Doomsday's appearance didn't have anything to do with some shocking twist but instead devalues the heavy focus around the batman and superman conflict.
Batman V Superman is in a unique situation where its Toho monster movie name and marketing makes it seem like more than just an abrasive first time scrap between the heroes a la The Avengers. Is it really so baffling that certain people look at the Doomsday section of this trailer, and the sudden shift towards a light hearted team up, and feel like everything that's been sold to them at this point will just be the equivalent of another origin story?
BadAss2961
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No, a lot of fanboys aren't big on this trailer. It's grown on me to the point that I like it now, but i'm not crazy about it either. Casuals seem to really like it, so its well placed in front of Star Wars.
Marvel people are just get excited about everything. The more they show the better. The more quips the better. The more ridiculous it is the better. Trailers and other pieces of hype aren't under the same critical light.
Hands of Stone
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shinra-bansho
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Whatever, fanboy. I want to see the receipts.
I....acknowledged that this trailer was offputting for people unlike the others. Why are you trying to convince me? We're on the same side. lol
"Zod becomes Doomsday" was not something that I saw in the title or anywhere in any previous trailer. If DC is assuming that everyone follows every leak as much as all the fanboys do, they are already going about this shared universe thing in the wrong way.
If you are referring to the Wonder Woman reveal, if they wanted people to walk into the film thinking that the point of the film is a Justice League prequel, why not title it: Dawn of Justice: Batman vs. Superman?
Seems Marvel had the right idea about keeping the trailer focused on Captain America's story and having it from Cap's point of view, with the Cap vs Iron Man/Civil War part be the secondary focus, since that's the subtitle of the film.
I've seen how people were begging for there to be a Spider-Man reveal in the Civil War trailer and for them to make it a big deal, since they feel since Spider-Man is a big name that he'd help sell the film by putting an emphasis on him, but I think it would have been a mistake in the same way we see the reaction to this trailer from them pulling the focus off the conflict between Batman and Superman so much as this trailer did in order to make big reveals in a marketing move.
Sibersk Esto
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Apologies, I didn't mean you in particular, I just meant in general when I see some who are confused at why others feel like this trailer "told them the whole movie."
Future Foundation
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How is the editing somehow worse than the original? I feel like this tends to happen with some fan edits, stuff ends up looking...off.
Cool, cool. Didn't mean to be snippy there, so apologies for that.
I think the Doomsday reveal was the biggest sour spot. You could have cut that and replaced it with a bit of Wonder Woman dialogue to either Bats or Supes. Probably could have kept Lex's role a little more vague as well.
soapypanda
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so much tension in the trailer! I would pay $10 to watch batman watch superman sleep.
"Damn MarvelGAF, always gotta be such blind fanboy poopyheads."
Jmanunknown
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Cool, cool. Didn't mean to be snippy there, so apologies for that.
I think the Doomsday reveal was the biggest sour spot. You could have cut that and replaced it with a bit of Wonder Woman dialogue to either Bats or Supes. Probably could have kept Lex's role a little more vague as well.
I am kinda glad they got the Doomsday reveal out of the way, that way some the disappointment is already out of the way. This will probably be one of if not the weakest version of doomsday in any dc universe other than doomsday of htraE.
I think people are putting way too much emphasis on DD being some kind of twist reveal. He's just a monster lex uses. A physical being, nothing more. I really don't see how showing that is a big deal. If you think it ruined the trailer I can accept that. But to think it's a big twist that they should have saved for the movie is just ridiculous to me
Mix Master
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dude stop playing the victim here
if anything the amount of MCU trolls that shit up every marvel thread with no repercussions vastly outweighs the DCtrolls.
this is a shit trailer that is rightfully getting shit as in the last 45 seconds every thing goes to hell. And people call DC out on it and now you are getting defensive?
LOL Marvel gets no hate
-Did you see the Age of Ultron OT? Damn near everybody shitted on the movie for how bad it was
-I'm tired of Marvel Movies and Marvel Movies are Cookie Cutter threads
- Shit there was a OT like 2 weeks Ago titles "Avengers 2012 What a fucking mess"
Get outta here with this shit
ArtHands
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Doomsday reveal is a big deal, because they have been hyping the movie as a fight between Superman and Batman all along, just look at the movie title itself. The draw of the movie was originally the fight and the outcome between the two characters. To see who's the winner. And now we all know its a draw, and they will team up against a villain where they will win the day in the end.
Smokey_Run
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If you didn't think that's how the movie was going to go this entire time, you were being incredibly naive.
More_Badass
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We don't know if it's a draw. We know they come together eventually, but we don't know who wins their fight or how. If anything, the real thrill is seeing how Batman tries to neutralize, stun, delay, distract, etc. Superman. In some comics, Clark wrecks him. In others, Bruce is just trying his best to buy time and adapt on the fly, using his gadgets and intellect
In truth, I'd say Batman has never "won" a fight. The cool part isn't who wins, but how the fight progresses.
BlackGoku03
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Exactly.
Even still,I don't think age of Ultron gets talked about as Much as MoS here
Nor has it been nearly three years of folks reminding you how much they dislike a movie...whether needed or not
Mix Master
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Meh its besides the point I'd Say people Shit on Both Equally, if not more on Marvel Due to having 2 movies a year.
LOL people have been doing that with the Phantom Menace for 16 years.
I don't know..don't think the Civil War thread turned into a thesis on the age of Ultron movie...though could be wrong
More_Badass
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I wonder if Bruce will use the Lois trump card. That's how he broke Poison Ivy's control of Superman in Hush, put Lois in a dangerous situation knowing that Clark would break free and save her.
Yeah, Batman fights dirty
Yeah, Batman fights dirty
Yeah, and to tie that in with MoS, that movie gets mentioned a lot because it's right now the only movie in the DCCU to compare to Marvel's entire catalog over 8 years. Of course it's going to be brought up again and again when fanboys need to get their snark on, especially since it wasn't actually good. Decent and OK, but meh. And this being an internet message board dominated by a bunch of 20-something know-it-alls (I include myself so not talking down to anyone here), you have to expect a lot of snark. It comes with the territory. Look at any sports message board or the sports community threads on this forum.
In other words, there is no vast conspiracy. There is no other side out to get you and your own. It's just...internet. Everyone shits on everything.
ArtHands
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Really, because almost nobody talks or even jokes about a common threat uniting both of them in every previous Batman v Superman threads.
What did he mean by this?
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Isnt that in the official synopsis?
Well for one, AoU had a better reception than MoS. But additionally, MoS has the unfortunate circumstance of being the only DCCU entry to date. It says far more about how divisive MoS was than some pathological need to hate on DC.
It'll be nice to have DC get the ball rolling on regular releases so at least we'll have something to discuss other than whether or not there's some kind of persuction of DC going on.
broncobuster
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Lex Luthor. Doomsday is nothing if not a pawn in Luthor's schemes. It's not been subtle in marketing.
ArtHands
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I wouldn't take that as a confirmation that they will be uniting to face a threat when act 3 starts.
Captain America: Civil War press release also hint towards a common threat, yet it is also said that the fight between the Avengers is going to last into the act 3 of the movie, rather than the Avengers putting their differences aside and fight against this common threat in act 3.
Lex Luthor could have been a catalyse sub-plot in a Batman v Superman dominance movie. Say Superman foiled a plan of Lex Luthor in act 2 and Batman criticizes his method of solving the problem. It allows them to woven and integrate it better (and other Justice League members' cameo and subplots) into the larger plot of their difference in the ideology before ending it into a fight in act 3. The various Justice League members meet each other for the first time, and there's your "Dawn of Justice" part. At least, that's what I was hoping and thinking before this trailer.
And if I were to have any say in anything, i will save the DC trinity big screen team up for the Justice League movie. People pay money for this money to see both Batman and Superman fight. People pay money for Justice League movie to see the JL teaming up against the common threat.
I guess that's why I'm not really interested. I like fights where either opponent could win, and you have no idea who.
Mediking
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He looks like a Resident Evil boss. Lol, still... cool gif.
But it's not like MoS is only being brought up in comparison to MCU films. That would be fine, actually. But it's been three years of same damn conversation in multiple threads about this movie, MCU films, non-MCU Marvel films, old DC films, and the odd LTTP thread. No one has said anything new about that movie in forever, but people still insist on trumpeting how bad it was as if it's new information.
I think a lot of it is people are just....tired. The only people who still want to talk about MoS, more often than not, are the people who hated it. That kind of negativity, be it on Gaf or otherwise, is tiring. Especially for those who are looking forward to this movie.
On the one hand, they should be less sensitive. On the other hand, I can certainly sympathize with not wanting to have yet another thread devolve into "Why didn't Superman save that parking garage?"
Nah. Marvel has two films per year, but they're generally well received. Especially last year, when everyone loved TWS and GotG. They have their haters, but MoS is in a pretty unique position of having literally 3 years worth of people repeating how much they despise it, followed by people who liked it defending it. Even the worst MCU films were just kind of forgotten at best, with IM2 being the only one that still comes up regularly.
Did you leave the room while watching the trailer, lol. That didn't happen at all.
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So they're going to kill superman in this one right?
Why else have doomsday there.
FYI, I hate doomsday as a character. I've only seen his incarnations in movies/tv shows, and he'd always been this dumb big brutish character.
Should have been Darkseid instead. Fuck it, have him there for two movies. Darkseid is a character who needs more than one movie. Why waste money and budget on doomsday.
Why else have doomsday there.
FYI, I hate doomsday as a character. I've only seen his incarnations in movies/tv shows, and he'd always been this dumb big brutish character.
Should have been Darkseid instead. Fuck it, have him there for two movies. Darkseid is a character who needs more than one movie. Why waste money and budget on doomsday.
This has probably been here before, but reading the thread with people calling Lex awful, there's a reason for it.
Props for Eisenberg for chewing the scenery in a multi-billion dollar production like that in the year 2015
Atleast it isn't a city centre
I'm telling you I bet Lexs lab is in the ground zero of Metropolis for reasons
Nothing against Doomsday himself, but he's kinda wrong here. Need him for the of Superman story. Darkseid also too early.
Should've went with a weakened up Mongul or just Lex building a giant robot.
Unless Superman kills Luthor, I don't see how Superman's methods would trigger Batman towards taking him down. And it would be redundant to the already existing and already valid motivations for him doing so in the movie.
People will see Batman v Superman fight. And they're also seeing the Trinity. They'll see the rest of the League in 2017.
The Cretan
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I believe Doomsday will be just something unleashed by Lex to destroy Superman, but it's powerful and it can't be controlled, so Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman need to assemble to stop it. Lex will be the most important enemy. Not in terms of power, but in terms of story. I don't think there is a chance that Superman dies in this.
CadetMahoney
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I want to like the movie and this particular trailer made that more difficult, so, no, I don't really think it's hyperbolic. The trailer literally had the opposite of its intended effect for me. You clearly feel differently, and that's okay, but for me, this has been the worst of the trailers. For me, a lot of the things I've been concerned about (Eisenberg's Luthor, Affleck's Batman, how the costume looks in action for Batman, the plot of the movie, etc) got reinforced by this trailer, suggesting that Snyder is making a movie that others may love, but may not work well for me. I thought Wonder Woman and Superman generally looked great, and the spectacle value was high, but I knew those things would be good, and they aren't enough to overwhelm some of the other stuff.
Darkseid is way too early to show up as an actual antagonist here. Doomsday serves the purpose perfectly well of a physical antagonist to fight - atleast once Bruce and Clark are done duking it out. Lex isn't that. He's a mental villain, atleast until you put him in a metal suit.
And they very well could kill Superman. Who knows.
Mongul has history though. He can have motivations, a backstory, plans. Including him here would be too much, in addition to the question of "How the hell did Mongul get here and why is Lex teaming up with another alien?"
Doomsday is a big dumb brute who can serve the purpose of being a big dumb brute. Lex creating him out of Kryptonian DNA is a perfectly valid excuse for his existence, and isn't far from previous interpretations of the character (for example he was a CADMUS creation in Justice League Unlimited).
And again, this could totally end with Superman dying, leaving Batman with a sense guilt that he was fighting the wrong guy. Plus it would open Justice League in an interesting position of how to resurrect him.
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