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Batman v Superman Ultimate Cut |OT| - Men are still good (out now)
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Some people, sure, but there not really anything to support that kind of massive rejection in the movie; just that it makes it clear there is backlash. It's especially not reasonable to expect that after what he ends up doing. Honestly, though I can agree with a *lot* of the faults in execution in this movie; the world's reaction, in this media environment, to such a looming figure is probably pretty decently represented in it.
I mean, pull some Fox News footage, a few protests and some online comments and Obama looks pretty '50/50' too, if not worse, but I don't doubt we'd see quite
a memorial if he went out saving a lot of people.
Watched the UC with my girlfriend and her brother last night. It was their first time seeing the movie. I didn't like the TC. I thought it was a bad movie back then and the UC doesn't change that opinion much. Yeah, there were some improvements but the first two acts were still boring and everything Doomsday in the third act is just terrible. I like that Supes is more of a character now though. TC was a 5 for me. I would give the UC a 6. The GF found the movie boring. Then again, she's not much of a fan of comic book movies. The couple CB movies she's enjoyed have been TDK and GOTG. As for her brother, he enjoyed it a bit more than us though he didn't like the Doomsday stuff. He and I both agree that WW's entrance in that fight was badass. Her theme is still so damn good.
TheFuzz
Member
Crap like this REALLY needs to stop.
Pandora012
Member
I like how the majority of the scenes that were taken out were about Superman. How does that even happen when this is a Batman AND Superman movie?
Nope.
Watching the UC, the editor just cut whatever he thought he could get away with. Affleck and Irons were acting the shit out of their scenes, so it's obvious what needs to go if you're aiming for 2.5 hours. It hurt the movie, though.
Looking forward if it is better the second time. At the cinema i laughed out loud because it sounded really ridiculous and bad at that moment. Judging the BvS OT i was not the only one who thought this.
TheFuzz
Member
It really does. "THATS MY MOM'S NAME!" Isn't the point of the scene at all, and everyone knows that. It's fine to think it was executed or written poorly, but to keep passing this off as the meaning of the scene is borderline-trolling. It's designed to purely illicit an argumentative response. It's pretty obvious they didn't "become friends" because of the name.
freenudemacusers
Member
Eh, having only seen the UC, this was handled in a very clunky manner.
TheFuzz
Member
I agree. It's written and executed poorly. But I don't think that people leave the movie honestly believe their mom's having the same name is why we are going to have a Justice League.
I get the joke. It's just old at this point and when that joke is literally all you can contribute to the discussion, it seems pointless to me.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I was finally able to buy the Disc+Digital version on VUDU. Give it another guys.
How else would you interpret that scene, because as of last night it still seemed that way?
It can't be "oh he has a mom too?"
Because at the very start of the fight Bruce is talking about "what did your parents teach you"
Is it because it's a "human" mom?
You can't deny that the uttering of the name that their mothers share did not just throw Batman for a loop.
waiting till I can rent it
Kenzodielocke
Banned
The good thing is, that this and the featurette gave me hope for Justice League.
Exactly how I saw it, even in the first viewing. Meme's made this moment bad for the most, which is sad me thinks.
The name triggered a kind of PTSD in Batman, which it could. He did see his mother get shot in the face when he was 10 years old.
That brought him out of the moment long enough to realize that he was going to kill a person who had a mother, not just some alien, and you can see him get disgusted at himself.
Watched it lsat night, a bit better and some stuff is fleshed out, but it's still a clumsy movie. And yeh, the R rating is whatevs, there really is nothing in here that deserves that, just arbitrary mpaa bullshit.
And yeh the whole "Martha" thing still is dumb as fuck, watching the movie again and seeing how fucking much snyder drops those hints early with her name over and over, yeh that was his fucking intention.
Honestly, like everyone has said before, Superman easily could've just told Bats in 5 seconds theyre both being played and the fight is over, if they really wanted Supes to have a proper motivation to fight Batman, they should've had Lex hurt/kill Martha then frame Bats.
And yeh the whole "Martha" thing still is dumb as fuck, watching the movie again and seeing how fucking much snyder drops those hints early with her name over and over, yeh that was his fucking intention.
Honestly, like everyone has said before, Superman easily could've just told Bats in 5 seconds theyre both being played and the fight is over, if they really wanted Supes to have a proper motivation to fight Batman, they should've had Lex hurt/kill Martha then frame Bats.
AusRoachman
Member
Joke might be old but it probably the worst part of the movie for me which has plenty of script problems . Perhaps it was meant to convey that superman has some human qualities but it's very jarring and within a few seconds they are bffs.
Batman didn't care when superman showed other good qualities like saving countless people , all he saw was the day he helped in destroying metropolis .
Frankly the whole fight setup i thought was handled pretty poorly but that single line by far is one of the films biggest problems .
The above plot stuff aside I do find it was a good movie overall (just abit too long) , and it was close to being an amazing movie it just needed more tightening and better script writing . Cinematography wise I thought it was excellent , the bats warehouse scene in particular , but I do feel Snyder holds onto some shots a little too long , such as the slow pan of the family on the roof looking up to the floating Jesus like superman , was all abit too in your face .
Overall 7 out of 10 for me , and I liked the darker tone , it's a refreshing change from the marvel universes , but it just had some script / editing problems .
Garrett Hawke
Member
I didn't get the
bit. It was incredibly difficult to hear what he was saying and it was just like k
Flash
Mr. Poolman
Member
Well, that scene was hyped as tear inducing, feelings moving on the audience. Instead it came as goofy.
You can understand why people joke on it.
Human Trashcan
Banned
He said "I'M FORESHADOWING A FRANCHISE! THERE'S GOING TO BE A JUSTICE LEAGUE MOVIE!
SUPERMAN'S DEATH
Garrett Hawke
Member
Is this insider info? :O
AusRoachman
Member
Yeh I am going to need to rewatch it , I could barely understand what he was saying also , something about arriving too early . Probably meant for the justice league film and showed up in the wrong one
Essentially
"Bruce, you were right about him. This whole time you were right about him. It's Lois. Lois Lane, she's the key. Am I too soon? Argh, I'm too soon!"
Garrett Hawke
Member
What does he mean by too soon?
He arrived too early in time, to before the point in time where Bruce knows who he is
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Fong was right.
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Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah but just wait until you guys see the Ultimate Edition v2! And then the SSJ version. It is 12 hours long and NC-17 rated.
Speaking of which, I want a Zack Snyder DBZ movie (in b4 MoS). Make it happen Hollywood.
brochiller
Member
Finally? Jesus I guess I'll be LTTP waiting for the Blu Ray.
NealMcCauley
Member
I'm still chuckling that they re-titled the movie in the open credits as being the Ultimate Edition.
Yeah that was weird.
Or the fact that the general movie-goer scoffs at any movie over 2hrs long. The ideal runtime for the masses is 90mins. 2hrs is acceptable. 2.5hrs is pushing it. 3hrs is a deal breaker. Studios don't make decisions on a whim. They've done their research. They know audiences don't like long movies.
Avatar ? Titanic ? Avenger ? LOTR ... Great/Good movies will have audience no matter what.
TheFuzz
Member
The point of the scene is to hammer home that Bruce has become the bad guy. He's no different that the murderer of his parents now. The fact another person is begging for someone to save his mother causes Bruce to realize there's more going on, and that his entire "1%/absolute certainty" viewpoint is flawed and can lead to innocent lives lost. Superman and he are fighting the same fight, the name thing is designed to show that Bruce started going crazy and the name joke is design to shake him into realizing why he ultimately became Batman to begin with.
Derailed and unhinged Bats is about to kill the wrong the guy. And it's why the one-rule viewpoint that Bruce holds dear is there: it's what keeps him from becoming what he has: the bad guy.
Again, executed poorly. "Same name!? Besties!" Is oversimplifying the entire arc Batman goes through.
Is the title in the opening credits still tucked away in the bottom right corner of the screen?
I always thought that was a really weird, unusually understated way of presenting something called BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN
It is still in the bottom right corner of the screen.
Just watched it last night and found it much better than the TC. Acts 1 and 2 much better, though Act 3 is still the worst part of the film.
Watching it again I really don't have a problem with the Martha thing. The UC does a great job of building up Batmans perception of Superman as someone inhuman, uncaring and unremorseful. That moment when Bruce hears his mothers name his perceptions come crashing down around him and he's no longer able to view Superman as the monster he had built up in his head. That then allows Superman and Louis to explain the situation to him and how Lex played them both.
It's not like Superman just says "MAAARTHA" and Bat's is like "DID WE JUST BECOME BEST FRIENDS!?" It's literally just the bombshell that allows the conversation to take place.
Watching it again I really don't have a problem with the Martha thing. The UC does a great job of building up Batmans perception of Superman as someone inhuman, uncaring and unremorseful. That moment when Bruce hears his mothers name his perceptions come crashing down around him and he's no longer able to view Superman as the monster he had built up in his head. That then allows Superman and Louis to explain the situation to him and how Lex played them both.
It's not like Superman just says "MAAARTHA" and Bat's is like "DID WE JUST BECOME BEST FRIENDS!?" It's literally just the bombshell that allows the conversation to take place.
I know that scene catches a lot of flak but I never had a problem with it. It humanized Superman for Batman, and made Batman realize he'd been an insufferable jerk up to that point.
The saving grace of the last act was Wonder Woman. I thought she was awesome.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
TC is 7 or 8 out of 10 for me, and UC is an 9 now. Can't give it 10 cuz the film is still flawed, but the UC really makes the film better.
keltickennedy
Member
I totally didn't realize Lauren Cohan played Martha Wayne when I first saw the movie. While watching the Ultimate Edition last night, I actually questioned if they recast the role for the new version. lol.
TheFuzz
Member
For others who thought the scene had problems, this is another good explanation of what the scene was designed to convey.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Well Batman v Superman is neither great nor good. So it shouldn't have long runtime like these movies.
She get's a close up in the Ultimate Edition which wasn't in the original cut.
I can't imagine being the uncredited editor(s) who had to butcher the movie, removing seconds on literally every scene in the film.