I hear the "Kkkkkk" and his mouth moves as in pronouncing vowels, but it's obvious it's really hard for him and isn't able too. Then Batman does his psycho act and all goes to hell.
Well, I dunno, I can see it.
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Well, I dunno, I can see it.
I don't know man, I think you're hearing what you want to hear. Cause it sounds like after Martha he's trying to take a breath and chokes.
This isn't proof. You saying look at this isn't critical analysis. You need to prove his use of visual language isn't to emphasize his subjects, which they are. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it's bad. BvS violence is even tamer than his usual work, so you're objections seem dated, misplaced, and uninformed. And your logic about excessive slow mo in 300 means you haven't the slightest idea of what fetishize means.
But you're right, you're not ready to actually dig into a movie, so keep on with your shallow readings and word salads.
When He was at Lex Party he heard the conversation between Batman and alferd. That is why he confronted bruce with question about batman . Also X-ray vision.
NealMcCauley
Member
Didn't explain how Lex knew their identities either. I would have been fine with a smarmy "You'd have to be an idiot to not realize it" line from him.
He was spying on metahumans, so the film sets a precedent for how he would know. So we know he's a super smart guy, and takes an interest in the superheroes. The identity discovering isn't a huge leap from those two things.
This bit is left to the imagination. It's interesting because he knew for 2 years according to the heliport scene.
Wonder Woman's theme is ridiculously distracting especially during the final fight. Horrible, horrible choice there by Zimmer. They also temporarily killed the pacing with that pathetic attempt to introduce Flash and the other metahumans. Lex Luthor is fucking annoying and a miscast imo.
Otherwise a pretty fucking impressive superhero movie, as per usual movie critics failed. I don't know if these fuckers are getting paid by Disney but Age of Ultron, that generic crap. has a much better rating than this movie. Fucking seriously?
Otherwise a pretty fucking impressive superhero movie, as per usual movie critics failed. I don't know if these fuckers are getting paid by Disney but Age of Ultron, that generic crap. has a much better rating than this movie. Fucking seriously?
NealMcCauley
Member
He didn't have a file on them in the convenient metahuman folder.
Don't know about Bruce but for Superman it was clear that Lex Knew that Superman Cares for lois lane. In normal life Clark was the only one close to him so it was simple
That is a crazy rationalization, I've never even remotely heard anyone attempt to view things that way. The Kents are his mother and father, just like any adopted child but pretty on the nose in his case, they are his parents, despite not being his biological parents. This is in addition to being just sort of common knowledge about families in reality, completely established in the movie itself.
Lex knew the entire time. That's why he setup Lois in the desert to lure Superman. That's why he invited Kent to his mansion to introduce him to Bruce and setup the whole Batman vs Superman thing in the end.
Which he intended for Batman to steal, I believe. Letting Batman know that you know his identity isn't a great idea, and letting Batman know that you know Superman's identity probably isn't a great idea either, if you want to force the two to square off.
I don't know why he wanted the metahuman files stolen, but his intricate manipulation of events leads to the assumption that it was part of his plan.
Oh my god you guys are still going at it...smh
I thought I read those emails were added after the script and forced by the studio or something. I wouldn't be surprised if there is no reasoning to it, just a teaser for JL. Or maybe that was the knightmare scene. Or both. I'm not sure
edit: however, the Diana Prince one would need to have been a part of his plan since it's actually part of the story. But then what was the point of that indeed.
I thought I read those emails were added after the script and forced by the studio or something. I wouldn't be surprised if there is no reasoning to it, just a teaser for JL. Or maybe that was the knightmare scene. Or both. I'm not sure
edit: however, the Diana Prince one would need to have been a part of his plan since it's actually part of the story. But then what was the point of that indeed.
Like I said What would u think would be more useful for Batman. Saying save my Mom ? or save martha from him ? One is some what useful information other is not. Also at the start of the fight he did say that Lex luthor had his mom . When Batman starts fighting .
At that time Batman didn't knew who superman is
The answer lies just under the banner on the OP.
Inferno313
Banned
A lot here are saying that it is. Everyone seems to agree it improves the film. Whether that's a 4/10 becoming a 6/10, or a night and day difference seems to vary from person to person.
Depends on what you thought of the Theatrical. If you didn't hate it, I would say yes.
As a desperate man about to die I wouldn't be thinking rationally at all. Speaking of earlier in the fight, as you said, Superman says that Lex has his mom and later on says the name Martha, why wouldn't Batman make that connection? Because they're not thinking rationally.
Yeah. It's a better movie. If you want to see the kind of movie BvS was filmed to be, this is probably it. Not a big improvement, but a lot more sensible.
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Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
I think Lex's plan was always, since Superman showed up in MoS, to have Batman take him down. Coming from a place of jealousy and anger. That is why he had been feeding Batman for two years, because he knew if anyone stood a chance it was him. No one else could do it (maybe the other metahumans, but he probably thought Batman to be the safest option).
Once he got access to the ship and told the computer to teach him all about Krypton, he went fully mad and decided to create Doomsday once he learned about it. Or maybe it was Steppenwolf who reached out to him while he was in the ship, driving him crazy and creating Doomsday as a result.
Once he got access to the ship and told the computer to teach him all about Krypton, he went fully mad and decided to create Doomsday once he learned about it. Or maybe it was Steppenwolf who reached out to him while he was in the ship, driving him crazy and creating Doomsday as a result.
I'm catching up with this thread and I'm sure it's been said before - but well done.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
This made me laugh hard. Credit to LilaLauneBaer
What exactly do you mean by "doesn't quite work?" I meant that it would have made for a patently better story than the one told in this movie even if imperfect. And would have been much more suited to Snyder's strengths.
You're arguing about something else entirely. It's fine if you want to justify the writing in that scene through the lens that he was trying to give Batman the most useful scrap of actionable information he could squeak out. I was replying to the assertion that he said "Martha" because Martha Kent isn't his biological mother, which is bonkers.
I read those but I am looking for more than one opinion/perspective because of my opinion with the original cut being very meh.
Thank you all for the quick replies. Appreciate it. I might put my $8 in VUDU credit towards it.
NealMcCauley
Member
This made me laugh hard. Credit to LilaLauneBaer
Might have missed when I saw the TC but him using the grappling hook to hurl a crate at a goon was pretty nice too.
I'm a fan of everything about BvS's Batman, except for the killing. That's why I hate the killing so much.
He's been through a lot of shit. His Bruce and Batman personas have blended together, and he's actually drinking and having nights with supermodels (seemingly). It seems like he hung up his cape and cowl, only to return after the events of Man of Steel. In the middle of fights he's fucking up, and getting angry at himself and others for it.
I like this Batman on the arc of how Batman would progress over the course of his career. I especially like that he'll be the oldest Justice Leaguer (well, Wonder Woman is, but...) - more wise than everyone else on the team (sans Alfred), which gives him a clear place and purpose.
Then he kills, and I think about how they've forfeited the chance to have a really dramatic moment in the future films where he is faced with the choice of killing. At this point "Kill the Joker" shouldn't be a sentence that can be finished before Batman puts a bullet in Joker's damaged head.
He's been through a lot of shit. His Bruce and Batman personas have blended together, and he's actually drinking and having nights with supermodels (seemingly). It seems like he hung up his cape and cowl, only to return after the events of Man of Steel. In the middle of fights he's fucking up, and getting angry at himself and others for it.
I like this Batman on the arc of how Batman would progress over the course of his career. I especially like that he'll be the oldest Justice Leaguer (well, Wonder Woman is, but...) - more wise than everyone else on the team (sans Alfred), which gives him a clear place and purpose.
Then he kills, and I think about how they've forfeited the chance to have a really dramatic moment in the future films where he is faced with the choice of killing. At this point "Kill the Joker" shouldn't be a sentence that can be finished before Batman puts a bullet in Joker's damaged head.
But it should make the eventual Joker scene of "HEHEHEHE WE'RE THE SAME, YOU AND ME, BATS!" a bit more entertaining. Well, not entertaining but fun. Well, not fun but... you know... something. I guess.
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Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
If that is what it would take to get rid of the damaged tattoo, I'm all for. I hate it, just sticks out so much. Like the Joker's design and his other tattoos, but the damaged part just annoys me.
Hope Batfleck brands him on his damaged tattoo.
Lex thinks he's s genius, he's hardly going to minimalise the achievement of figuring out who Superman and Batman are by asserting anyone can do it. As for how he knows, it doesn't matter.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
It does matter. It's the difference between being an asspull character and having logical motivations.
SmackCrackleNPop
Member
For those interested, the iTunes version has 2 hours worth of extras, probably the same as the Blu Ray. Vudu has a 21 minute featurette that previews the new Batman v Superman & Wonder Woman films. I believe it's the same as what was shown on the CW
TheFuzz
Member
I wasn't rationalizing it that way, I was directly responding to the post about "I would have said mom, not Martha." It's completely within reason to tell Batman to (whatever he does to Supes), save Martha. If I was bringing up the fact for someone to save my mom, I would be inclined to maybe mention her name. However, the fact Clark always calls them mom and dad was already brought to my attention on the previous page, so my point was moot anyway. Not a big MOS fan myself so I had forgotten most of it.
How does it make that difference? Lex studied and found out the identities. It's as simple as that. Not sure how that affects his motivations against Clark.
roflwaffles
Member
If you liked the original cut, you'll like this more.
If you were 50/50 on the original cut, you might** want to see this.
If you hated the original cut, you don't need to see this.
The 30 minutes fleshes out the plotlines a bit, but at the core of it is still a shitty script, poor characterization, and a bad concept to kick off a cinematic universe.
If you were 50/50 on the original cut, you might** want to see this.
If you hated the original cut, you don't need to see this.
The 30 minutes fleshes out the plotlines a bit, but at the core of it is still a shitty script, poor characterization, and a bad concept to kick off a cinematic universe.
Told you so
Joel Was Right
Member
It's a completely different film.
Wow.
What were WB thinking releasing that original cut?
Wow.
What were WB thinking releasing that original cut?
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Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
Ehh, I wouldn't call it a different film. Like said before; if you did not like the TC, chances are you won't care for this version. Some exceptions like Schnepp from Collider. Same story, same characters etc. Just some scenes are extended and added/rearranged.
Kinda feeling for Snyder though. It got ugly the first few weeks after release.
Franchuzas87
Member
This is what happens when you add blood on post.
But yeah, for the most part is definitely an improvement over the theatrical cut. It builds the characters better before the final showdown.
But yeah, for the most part is definitely an improvement over the theatrical cut. It builds the characters better before the final showdown.
I wanted to know about the alternate cut vs theatrical cut from iTunes.
I know the extras are usually streamed now.
But what about the actually movie? How does it handle the download? Does it actually download two movie files? That will be like 15 GB!
broncobuster
Banned
Not to come off callous, Snyder should've known what he was in for. He's fortunate enough to release his cut at all. Now, Fox did a number on Josh Trank.
blacklotus
Member
Haven't watched it yet.
But i really liked the movie, minus a few things i've done differently or not done at all.
But i also loved the Martha bit, so.
"Wait. I'll make you a promise: Martha won't die tonight."
me at theater: they are friends again <3 <3 <3 WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE WOOHOO*
But i really liked the movie, minus a few things i've done differently or not done at all.
But i also loved the Martha bit, so.
"Wait. I'll make you a promise: Martha won't die tonight."
me at theater: they are friends again <3 <3 <3 WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE WOOHOO*
IonicSnake
Banned
Superman could have saved his mom without any problems and do it faster as well but I think Batman saved Martha more for his sake than Supermans, Superman even says "my mom needs me" but Batman tells him to go to Lex and promise him that he'll save her. Bruce couldn't save his Martha, this time nothing was going to stop him.
The "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!!" moment could have been handled better though.
The "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!!" moment could have been handled better though.
blacklotus
Member
I liked it the way it was. Also, never had thought about how their mothers were both called Martha.
Also, Batfleck is the best Batman ever.
roflwaffles
Member
If Supes knew Lois was under water, why couldn't he just hear where his mom was and take those dudes out in a second?
Hi didn't know where his mom was, while he knew Lois was where he left her.