I love that entire fight scene.
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Batman v Superman Ultimate Cut |OT| - Men are still good (out now)
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Gotham needs to fund some research on Batman induced CTE.
Just finished watching the UC, it's a lot better than the theatrical cut. Cleared up a lot of my issues with the poor editing and clarity.
But man, three hours is long as fuck. It took like 1hr 20 min to arrive at what I consider the first "true" action sequence (Batmobile chase) and then another 40+ minutes to get to the actual Batman vs Superman fight. The script is simply too bloated imo.
But man, three hours is long as fuck. It took like 1hr 20 min to arrive at what I consider the first "true" action sequence (Batmobile chase) and then another 40+ minutes to get to the actual Batman vs Superman fight. The script is simply too bloated imo.
I love that entire fight scene.
I may have my issues with all the straight murder Batman does, but fuck me if that isn't some fun choreography in that fight.
Nemesis121
Member
This is why the rumor of it being 2 movies probably true, then WB cut that shit down to 1 bloated mess..also i really wish this movie was the Dark Knight returns, not this shit they made here..
Don't get me wrong, I actually didn't like superman v batman. Terrible sense of pacing, a mess of a plot. Plus the stuff you mention. But you know, nitpicking the fantastical elements like why doesn't superman fly here or use this power etc it's kinda silly sometimes.
It's partially what happens when you try to make dark, gritty and grounded... The fantastical flaws stick out like a sore thumb much more than if you kind of kept it a sort of fun other-worldly movie such as the original superman.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
This is why I can understand WB wanting it cut down. It's more coherent at 3 hours, but it doesn't use that time wisely at all. The titular conflict and Doomsday all happen in the 3rd Act. So it takes a little over two hours to get to a certain point, resolves that in minutes, and then moves onto a newer, bigger conflict. It's sloppy in that regard. It would be like if Avatar ended with the conflict with the military (something that was building throughout the film) and then a new alien subspecies appeared as the set piece. It almost feels like two different scripts stitched together. One that is painfully grounded, and the other that wants to be more fantastical.
I don't see any reason why they couldn't get the fight between Batman and Superman to happen in the second act. Batman was already warned and goading Superman to have the fight. He was sitting there waiting. So if Luther hadn't kidnapped Martha, Superman wouldn't have gone? Nah, he would still show up. Then just have him get weakened by Batman and have to defend himself. All the kidnapping stuff isn't really needed for motivation, it's Superman making good on his word to put Batman down if he didnt stop. There is this sense of confusion on what they wanted to do there.
that's probably my biggest issue with Batman in this movie and universe. It wants to do DKR stuff so bad but it also needs Batman to stick around and be tolerable for Justice League and future movies
the entire movie feels like a sequence of awkward contrivances to get to the DKR type stuff without the consequences
The idea of having the DC universe start off so antagonistically is straight up asinine. I obviously couldn't predict that it'd be the mess of a film it ended up being, but from the moment it was announced, the idea of them starting off as enemies that wanted to kill each other was unappealing.
I think few people understand that Batman and Superman, in terms of their respective skill sets, fighting is not that interesting. It's the idea of two friends fighting that's fascinating. Which I still fundamentally believe is why Civil War and BvS are polar opposites of each other in quality. Civil War never lets go of the fact that no matter what is happening, Steve and Tony still care for one another.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
The Ultimate Edition is a significant improvement but it shouldn't exist. Zack has to get better at evaluating scripts and trimming the right portions in the edit. You have to imagine WB played a major role in the film's bloat as well. You reap what you sow.
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They probably could have made a film where Batman v Superman is the Act 3 conflict. Still due to Lex Luthor machinations, but it would allow them to not Spider-Man 3 the ending. I mean, that's what you should be going for in a film called 'Batman v Superman'.
Then you could take the final act of this film and use it for a first Justice League movie.
I can see why they went the way they did though, but it's too much story ground to cover in one movie, quite obviously.
Then you could take the final act of this film and use it for a first Justice League movie.
I can see why they went the way they did though, but it's too much story ground to cover in one movie, quite obviously.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
That's exactly what they should have done. 86 Doomsday, Wonder Woman, and a lot of that Krypton ship stuff. They could have shaved 30+ minutes off of this thing and wouldn't have lost any of the depth from the political and religious subtext.
oh, I get it now. I totally agree with you.
I guess I didn't count the "fantastical elements" as problems... lol.
Huh? It's clearly from hitting the wall. The blood trails down with the head
I would love to see a Snyder helmed series on HBO or something. Or a DC Netflix show
A.D. Skinner
Member
I've just finished up watching it and loved it. I am stunned that they released the TC and WB fucked this movie right in the ass, dry, with the initial release. I definitely noticed most cut scenes were Supes scenes and some of them really fucked him up. The senate bombing for instance, so many of the negative comments were based in that scenes.
Tragicomedy
Member
Marvel with shots fired.
Didn't he talk about doing something like that? I vaguely recall there being some pitch for a Watchmen thing he was producing for HBO.
That article is horseshit.
that's not really a fair comparison because the LOTR movies are direct adaptations of freaking huge ass books.
BvS is an original story
There's been strong indication and rumors especially from the guys at Collider who have been reporting it.
I'm gonna take the other side on this one and say I think the fault rather lies in the idea that movies HAVE to be a certain length. I wouldn't mind it if that rule went away. If a writer wants to make a 3 hour movie, they should be allowed to do so. Or even 5 hours, so long as the movie maker understands I'm probably not going to get that all in one viewing. It's an unnecessary restriction imo and would rather see it gone. Let the natural consequences of a director asking people to sit down for an extented period of time be the deterrent from making movies too long.
They're too nice.
They're too nice.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
That article is horseshit.
Well, tell us how you really feel!
P.S Those movies are too long too!
I bought the iTunes version and as far as I can tell it downloads the theatrical cut and makes you stream the ultimate edition. Which is frustrating, I can never see myself wanting to watch the theatrical cut ever again.
lol
The theatrical version is pretty bad though. imo, the UC takes it from a D+ to a modest C.
I hate this film even more now. Even a bit I liked before, the warehouse Batman scene was painful to watch now, Batman does cool stuff, there is cool gadgets and brutal moves but the fast cuts are bloody awful.
Another complaint, visually it's so overly busy. There is just nothing to focus on when the scenes are look at how much crap I can put in each frame. It ruins the film and there is so many, it never ends. The initial Batmobile chase which I though was kinda cool is absolutely terrible second time, bad cuts, bad shots, bad CGI, just how do those two parts connect, terrible.
Lois before she gets kidnapped is so bloody lazy, oh hey random cleaner do I know you, that's the best they could come up with. Dire. No sense of tension, Lois has to set crap in motion throughout this mess of a film.
For Snyder this is actually a terrible looking film even though it has many of his touches. Too much focus on detail magnified to an extreme forgetting all else.
Another complaint, visually it's so overly busy. There is just nothing to focus on when the scenes are look at how much crap I can put in each frame. It ruins the film and there is so many, it never ends. The initial Batmobile chase which I though was kinda cool is absolutely terrible second time, bad cuts, bad shots, bad CGI, just how do those two parts connect, terrible.
Lois before she gets kidnapped is so bloody lazy, oh hey random cleaner do I know you, that's the best they could come up with. Dire. No sense of tension, Lois has to set crap in motion throughout this mess of a film.
For Snyder this is actually a terrible looking film even though it has many of his touches. Too much focus on detail magnified to an extreme forgetting all else.
MisterHero
Super Member
Says Deadpool and Spider-man with who share a few shitty movies between them
Nah I'll keep BvS
they also made civil bore most recently, so nobody wins
Spider-Man sounds like he's talking about his last movie, lol.
Discotheque
Banned
can't believe they actually have a deleted scene where his dad is alive too. what a damn mess the amazing spiderman series was.
Chiggs
Gold Member
This man gets it!
I liked it a lot, even with it's faults. Really gonna miss Garfield when the next Spider-Man movie comes out.
What the he....No it....that's not even...
Nope. Not even getting into this with you. Nope.
haha same here I was about to but nope
Any comparison to Civil War is not going to end in BvS's favor (edit: except maybe in the sound track department, but tbh, neither of em are all that good). Civil War has its own problems but they're very different from the problems in BvS.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
I agree. Civil War is hands down the greatest and most influential movie of the 2010s so far. He even compared it to BvS. lol.
damniel!
Discotheque
Banned
Civil War is a better movie overall easy, more tolerable to watch haha. But I liked the highs of this a loooot more than the highs of that.
Still really impressed by the Metropolis scene and Batman's introduction. And the way the world is presented in it seems a lot more fleshed out. It really feels like Batman has existed for 20 years for example. Civil War handled the conflict between the two heroes much better though. And the airport scene is better than any action sequence in BvS except for maaybe the warehouse one.
Still really impressed by the Metropolis scene and Batman's introduction. And the way the world is presented in it seems a lot more fleshed out. It really feels like Batman has existed for 20 years for example. Civil War handled the conflict between the two heroes much better though. And the airport scene is better than any action sequence in BvS except for maaybe the warehouse one.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
Civil War manages its character roster significantly better than Batman v Superman. Just because both films have a ton of characters doesn't mean they suffer the same level of affliction.
I said nothing about roster.
Dash_Riprock
Member
That's just, I mean wow.
Kinda hypocritical of Spidey to say that, though. Or maybe that was the point?
Currently rewatching and it's so bleak.
Hah hah, ouch.
Are there deleted scenes showing stuff like Luthor's perspective of the Metropolos fight or him deciphering Supes/Batman's secret identity.
Once Civil War comes out on Bluray, I'll do a Veelk on it. But for now, I'll just say that Civil War has become my favorite superhero movie of all time. Before that, it was Nolan's Batman trilogy, not a specific movie, but how all 3 of them came together. A lot of their quality can be debated, but they hold a special place in my heart, partially because it's batman, partially because they historically can be argued to ahve popularized Superhero movies to be more than just empty popcorn flicks. They had heart, and I loved them for that.
Civil War has that same heart, done with far greater technical mastery of the handling of it's characters, mixed with some of the best action choreography I've ever seen in the Superhero genre. There's no absolutely flawless film and we can debate about CW's quality as well, but it carried a character journey, not just for one character but for many, better than almost any other hero film I've seen.
For two movies with the same premise, my reception to both could not be farther apart on the spectrum. BvS is one of the worst superhero movies I've ever seen, one that makes me actively depressed watching it, for various reasons. Civil War is one of the best.
Civil War has that same heart, done with far greater technical mastery of the handling of it's characters, mixed with some of the best action choreography I've ever seen in the Superhero genre. There's no absolutely flawless film and we can debate about CW's quality as well, but it carried a character journey, not just for one character but for many, better than almost any other hero film I've seen.
For two movies with the same premise, my reception to both could not be farther apart on the spectrum. BvS is one of the worst superhero movies I've ever seen, one that makes me actively depressed watching it, for various reasons. Civil War is one of the best.