Well, then by your admission, BvS is not a remarkable film. No film is remarkable, because a remarkable film is incapable of existing on it's own within this framework. You can make these kinds of leaps from any of them. So at this point, it's no longer about the movies themselves, but only what any individual (in this case, you) decides to make of them. BvS doesn't ask any questions that any other movie doesn't ask, you just choose to see those questions in some movies, not in others. It's not the film, it's you.
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Batman v Superman Ultimate Cut |OT| - Men are still good (out now)
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Well, then by your admission, BvS is not a remarkable film. No film is remarkable, because a remarkable film is incapable of existing on it's own within this framework. You can make these kinds of leaps from any of them. So at this point, it's no longer about the movies themselves, but only what any individual (in this case, you) decides to make of them. BvS doesn't ask any questions that any other movie doesn't ask, you just choose to see those questions in some movies, not in others. It's not the film, it's you.
"My world doesn't exist anymore." He's choosing to be superman to save the world(her) which means he's no longer going to be with her. He has to choose goodhis role, lover or savior. It's not a cop out, it's a function of their relationship. And you're still taking his choice for granted, which is why America burys him as a soldier, he's supposed to die for us.
Except he CAN'T choose between the two, because it's an all or nothing dilemma. He literally cannot choose the world over Lois or Lois over the world in that case, either he chooses both or everyone dies. I'm not taking his choice to die for granted, it's just that the question he faces is fundamentally different from the one presented in the bathtub scene.
benjipwns
Banned
woah fam
If you meant this literally, no this is never true. Even figuratively, you can see outside works influence and extrapolate, like the watchmen and mos/bvs. Like how the world's end is the 12 step program for alcoholics, but also a statement on the generation after the baby boomers trying to find their place in the world.
And who gives a fuck about some label of what a movie is? The Room has more heart and soul in it than all of the mcu, doesn't make it a good movie.
MisterHero
Super Member
what the heck is going on in here
nhlducks35
Member
Atr0cious probably put more thought into his posts than Snyder did to his whole filmography
benjipwns
Banned
needs to broad heat vision that water into a sexy steam bath
I would credit even Snyder with more rationality though. I mean, he's pretentious in his own way, but Atr0cious is next level navalgazing.
He knows he's going to die. He's choosing the role of savior of Lois instead of the lover of lois. Remember Dr Manhattan was choosing to save the world in his renewable energy project with Veidt, instead of fucking Laurie wholeheartedly. He even says he's giving her his attention, but he's talking to Veidt at the same time.
Thanks for reminding me why I usually don't talk film in gaf.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
Imagine Superman getting some. Snyder would probably be like "you know, the aesthetic needs consequences. I mean, he's a Kryptonian and she's a human, so they should never be able to reproduce. Oh I know, let's have him thrust into sonic booms, and have Lois's pelvis break! Perfect!"
GeorgioCostanzaX
Member
The UC is one of my favorite super hero movies either...its balsy as hell in its portrayals of the heroes or its a fundamental misunderstanding of them on Snyder's part...I just don't fucking know but I liked it a lot more...and it really feels like an old school narrative in 3 acts. The theatrical cut is borderline unwatchable due to the incoherence from yanked out plot lines. That said its not a crowd pleaser by any means and I still feel like it would have bombed at the box office at 3 hours in length unless critics actually impact ticket sales and would have liked it?
benjipwns
Banned
One of the issues of the comics showed the after effects of this on Lois' spine:
I still want to hear to hear your analysis of Lois' nipple tho
I'm sorry, but you do know the director of this is Zack Fucking Snyder, correct? His artistic genius always provides a deeper meaning, and I demand you navalgaze it to us.
yanipheonu
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benjipwns
Banned
woah are you saying that there's a whole narrative about the nature of reality being constructed by Snyder throughout all his films?
MisterHero
Super Member
Joke's on you, DC Rebirth "blaming" Watchmen inadvertently made it the truth
I don't think you are kidding..and that makes me sad
benjipwns
Banned
oh god i forgot
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I like the movie a lot.
But y'all are weird.
But y'all are weird.
Snyder brought the wierdness to us!
It's funny you claimed to like critically analyzing, but are so unaware of what it actually is, you're shitposting short replies instead of all that verbosity you were pushing earlier when you were pretending to be so knowledgeable.
And if you folks think I'm being pretentious, I'm like the baseball Michael Jordan of analysis, you ain't seen nothing.
benjipwns
Banned
if there's even a one percent chance; we have to take it as an absolute certainty
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Say what you will about Snyder, I'm just happy GAF can bastardize Batman quotes again. I loved doing that in the Nolan bat film threads.
brochiller
Member
Pretty much. Jesus this thread is in shambles.
Batman quotes on Gaf are the worst thing to come out of the history of cinema
I kind of wonder why that uniquely happens to the DC side of things. It's not like Marvel is lacking in quotable material.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Hmm drawing a blank in MCU quotes..
"This drink... I like it! *Smash* ANOTHER!"
"I understood that reference"
"On your left"
Just off the top of my head. Those made it as memes for a temporary time, but they all lack the staying power of some of the DC's stuff.
Then again, I don't really know what makes something quotable. Like, I have no idea why the entire conversation Bane had with the CIA guy is so embedded into everyone's memory. It's not typical, but it's not super unusual, or super funny, or....idk, it's just a normal movie quote, but everyone remembers the Bane-CIA dude conversation.
Edit:
Yeah, exactly this. Why is this line so quotable?
Your problem isn't pretension, it's arrogance.
benjipwns
Banned
or perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane?
I know, it makes me mad. I'm supposed to be the arrogant one. I put a lot of effort into making long posts in order to appear intellectually superior to everyone, you know!
Arrogance? I've been attacked from the get, for being "pretentious" because I'd like to talk about more than mere plot points and whether I liked it or not, and I'm the arrogant one? The anti-intellectual posts of reaching and what not don't help either, specifically when most of them were more concerned with my character. You did attempt dialogue, but seem to be getting salty because I disagreed with your reading of the film.
Discotheque
Banned
....for you
Smokey_Run
Member
Still pissed Nolan redid all of the prologue dialogue after everyone bitched about it, but left the rest of the movie untouched. So damn jarring.
benjipwns
Banned
you either die a gaf hero, or live long enough to see yourself become banned
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
If Bish is all powerful, he cannot be all good!
