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Batman v Superman Ultimate Cut |OT| - Men are still good (out now)
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Hey, we still got Justice League coming up. Be a good movie to use more of his powers in.
Never saw the threatrical release, so dove in with the extended cut last night.
I think they could have cut the movie down to 90 minutes and had a tighter film. The first hour and half is dreadfully boring, aside from cutting back and forth between so many different scenes and still being confusing as possible.
I think they could have cut the movie down to 90 minutes and had a tighter film. The first hour and half is dreadfully boring, aside from cutting back and forth between so many different scenes and still being confusing as possible.
Don't get the point in Superman dying...
I'm the same way. Jumped straight into UC but going by impressions cutting the movie in the first place led to an even more disastrous movie.
All in all it was long, drawn out, boring and while the fight scenes were fantastic (wonder woman/superman the otp. Kill lous) still wasn't as awesome as the fight scenes in man of steel.
I hate to do this during movies but more often than not I found myself browsing gaf and reddit on my phone which then made matters worse as I had no idea how lex new both supes and bats identity but honestly I could not have given a fuck if I tried. So I basically glued myself to the phone outside of the 2 big fights in the end.
EDIT: I'd be ok if they just cut the plot and spend all the budget on a tight 40 min. fight. At this point the story just feels like crap and I don't get the obsession with Batfleck. Yeah he's a great actor but I don't get all the praise for him being the only semi-interesting character in the movie.
So many mixed opinions I think the most accurate way to describe this movie is if you liked man of steel (which I did).
If so then yeah maybe you'll like this but its a LOT longer. Which is my complaint.
If not then perhaps? but not likely.
Obviously in its current state cutting it down would lead to the same theatrical release shenanigans but I felt a complete overhaul of the plot is needed if your movie can't be condensed into 2 hours or less.
Especially when those loooooong scenes aren't very interesting (imo) in the first place.I was pleasantly surprised by zuckerberg as lex. I really was expecting to hate him when I heard zuck was playing him but he shot up as one of my favorites immediately, with the exception of the last 30 or so minutes. His personality quirks was fantastic.
He has the potential to knock off Rosenbaum as my favorite lex. I hope to see more of him.
The point, which Snyder explained in interviews,
is that he didn't want to form the Justice League with Superman, because Superman would overshadow everyone with his abilities. And, if he were alive, he's the kind of character who would be first on the team. So now you have Batman, without powers, trying to build a team of people with a varied array of powers. There's more drama in knowing that they don't have their star player yet
It's an idea I like, and I like a lot of Batman v Superman's ideas.
Thats actually a good idea. The very end made me think he'd just show up within the first 30 minutes of the next film but if he goes through with that and we don't see
supes
My worry was that it'd be all for nothing by the beginning of the next film. So that idea sounds really fucking cool, especially with the type of character batman is. He's not brimming with charisma exactly lol.
Is Aquaman coming out before or after Justice League?
Just watch the Ultimate Cut. It makes the Theatrical Cut redundant. The UC is definitely more of the film they intended to release.
Yea, the idea is that Superman doesn't show up until the back of half of Justice League at best. They are being really secretive about his return. They acknowledge he is but nothing past that.
Badlucktroll
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Just bought the 4k edition on Vudu. 29.99.
One movie where I won't complain about story or length as long as I get to see me some fine-ass Aquaman. Emphasis on ass ( ͡ ° ͜ʖ ͡° )
esmith08734
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I think my biggest problem with this film is that Snyder really hit home runs on the scenes he knew people were interested in. The Batman warehouse scene was amazing, the Knightmare scene was really cool, the fight between Batman v Superman, although short, was entertaining. I just feel like he put too much effort into making those scenes look amazing that he kind of forgot about the glue that holds the scenes together.
ALSO Snyder cut out the coolest line of the movie, or unless I am forgetting it. 'It's time you learn what it means to be a man.'
ALSO Snyder cut out the coolest line of the movie, or unless I am forgetting it. 'It's time you learn what it means to be a man.'
Watch the UC. The TC doesn't exist for all intents and purposes, It's an abomination.
Ok this is a damn good shot.
This was the case in Watchmen too. The movie as a whole doesn't gel all that well, but there are a handful of some really amazing scenes/sequences and performances: the Comedian's death, the opening credits, Manhattan's origin, Hollis Mason's death (which I get why was cut but it's really one of the best things about the movie).
Watch the UC. The TC doesn't exist for all intents and purposes, It's an abomination.
Ok this is a damn good shot.
Wish the fight took place in daylight. Movie was just too dark.
The Cretan
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Can I post some gifs I made in this thread? They don't contain spoilers, but they are cool shots and some posters haven't seen the movie yet.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Watch the UC. The TC doesn't exist for all intents and purposes, It's an abomination.
Ok this is a damn good shot.
It made me awe when I saw it the 1st time.
Creature CGI is hard to do in daylight.
Sure! Try not to feature you know what, everything else is fair game. Context is everything.
Feel free.
Avengers 2 did similar with making Hulk and Thor fuck off because they can make fights one sided.
Pandora012
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I'm not sure you would want to see that in day. Something tells me you would not enjoy it.
True but Avengers pulled it off no problem
What creature? If it's the space alien things, they were more metal than organic. If I'm remembering it correctly.
Going on interviews with Cavill and Snyder before the film came out,
the supposed idea they mentioned briefly is that the Superman we had in MoS and BvS hasn't become the Superman he is in the comics and previous films, and that he will become him at some point. I imagine it will be a whole rebirth thing for the end of the first Justice League now that he sacrificed himself.
Ok this is a damn good shot.
Yep, that entire shot where their beams meet was the most "perfect comic book" shot of the film.
Yeah, I imagine the theatrical was even more of a confusing mess. I just felt the entire Africa-subplot did nothing whatsoever to drive the movie forward. Audience didn't need it to understand "People/Governments Fear Superman" - I think tearing down the city of Metropolis makes that point.
There was too much focus on how/when of who gets the Kryptonite. They could have cut out the parts with Lex lobbying for it's import. Rich Bruce Wayne could have also paid some folks in the Indian Ocean to fish it out in his two years of researching Superman since his battle with Zod. Show the Indian Ocean scene just prior to the Bruce Wayne Workout and Krypton Weapon Designs Montage and the audience will get the idea rather than spending 20+ minutes detailing having to deal with import laws.
Lex could have just been pushing for access to Zod and the ship for his own research, leading to Doomsday. There was just a lot of fluff for no reason that could have easily been tightened down on.
Alright along those lines, I like it better - they just should have left out the
Super Saiyan dirt on the coffin - make it seem a bit more final than teasing. Audience aren't complete idiots to think "this is it for Superman".
Removing that detail of the scene, make Knightmare + Flash be a stinger to the entire film to hype the future films. While they do that, remove the "here's WW browsing YouTube for random heroes" part.
I'd love to see what someone could do with a fan edit using all of the Ultimate Cut footage.
brochiller
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BadAss2961
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da gawd
The Cretan
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Here they are.
Cool Batman moves that remind the Arkham games (although they remind the comics, too)
Batman hangs up an enemy:
Batman uses a batarang to disarm an enemy:
Batman uses small bombs to destroy weapons:
Wonder Woman flies (maybe):
Wonder Woman- Superman combo:
Wonder Woman's super speed:
Batman uses smokescreen to escape:
Hulk ??
That doesn't count!
esmith08734
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One problem with the Batman and Superman fight is it's really difficult to get a sense of the brutality of each punch, throw, kick, etc. Superman doesn't bleed (at least not like a normal dude in a fight) or bruise and Batman is in a tank suit with an unscathed face underneath. I think the scene would have been more satisfying if they conveyed each other's strength a little more.
Like, oh Superman just threw Batman through a spotlight or through 5 concrete walls and Batman just grunts and gets back up. I get the suit is super strong but it takes me out of it a bit.
Like, oh Superman just threw Batman through a spotlight or through 5 concrete walls and Batman just grunts and gets back up. I get the suit is super strong but it takes me out of it a bit.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Those gifs prove that this is ione of the best looking movie ever made. For comic books, it's not even close.
The final sequence blew me away on digital.
The final sequence blew me away on digital.
Horrible looking
You're crazy
Dude even Spider-man looked like play doh in Civil War. Daylight cgi is not there for living things yet.
Yes!
NO
The 2 best looking scenes in the entire movie had to be experienced in IMAX 3D imo.
The nightmare scene with Batman fighting those soldiers while those parademons flying around.
and
Batman walking with the kryptonite spear in preparation for the fight before sticking it into the ground.
Those 2 brief scenes gave me goosebumps in the theater like nothing ever before. Eye candy!
The nightmare scene with Batman fighting those soldiers while those parademons flying around.
and
Batman walking with the kryptonite spear in preparation for the fight before sticking it into the ground.
Those 2 brief scenes gave me goosebumps in the theater like nothing ever before. Eye candy!
Doomsday looked worse than Hulk tho. Avatar was in nothing but broad daylight
I loved how Batman's vulnerability was used in the Doomsday fight. It gave more impact to Superman's and WW's powers.
Yes I know, Doomsday doesn't look good. And so what about Avatar? Still looks fake.
Pandora012
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Yeah completely for got about him....my bad. But he does look kinda rubbery in the daylight.
Were those IMAX sequences?
Justice League will apparently have 0. I guess WB is tightening the purse strings.
Certain scenes in Avatar look fantastic, like the finale. They can absolutely make these movies work in daylight.
2 things Avatar had and BvS didn't
1- FX Budget (The cast ate a BIG chunk of the budget, so did the delayed production)
2- James Cameron.
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Lord Virgin
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We all know the third act in JL will be the big battle against the enemy/goons. Hopefully Snyder delivers something as MoS. The Smallville fight and fight against Zod were unlike anything I had seen. He cracked the DBZ code with that one. Build on that I'd say and DON't hold back because you're scared off critical backlash. These are superpowered beings, I expect them to wreck shit in a fight.