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[TaterTots]

Not sure if this is a spoiler thread, so I'll toggle.

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I actually enjoyed the movie and thought Ben was a great Batman. My issue is that Batman began to beat the shit out of Superman and this feeds the Bat fans. As Superman said, "if I wanted it...you'd be dead already," but he has a conscious. He could of swooped in and broke the Bats neck and left before anyone realized what could of happened. Lets stop the Batman v Superman talk. It's so dumb. Superman could fart and destroy planets.

 

[Alienous]

A Batman / Superman fight is never about the powers. It basically comes down to "How far can Batman get before Superman decides to win the fight", and sometimes Batman can get far enough to win.

 

[Vyer]

Save for the Bane fight (for whatever reason the brutality of Bane vs Bats' ineffectiveness, in the quiet, dark underground Gotham, really worked for me) Nolan's hand to hand fight scenes are not very good. I don't really feel like that's a controversial opinion.

 

[shoreu]

Fixed

Dude you are Wrong Batman Fought like that BEFORE ROCKSTEADY THIS IS A DUMB POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE

No, they didn't.

"How do we make batman move and fight?" "like in the comics"

FTFY

 

[Lord Virgin]

No, they didn't.

"How do we make batman move and fight?" "like in the games"

"All right Ben, this scene you will fight these bad guys. Remember, you are very angry. Action!"

"Wait, what do I do?"

"Fight them"

"How?"

"Just like in that Batman game, man."

"Euh.."

Yeah sure, no. They didn't do anything. Hell, they probably downloaded that scene and then removed the buttons on screen...this is such a weird critique. What exactly is original then? Every other movie (cbm or not) took something from what was done before for inspiration. In this case it was clearly the Arkham games, but that is where it stops. Now I didn't play all the Batman games (just Arkham Knight) but can't remember doing the following:

- kicking one goon toward another, so the latters grenade explodes in his hand
- fight 4 goons at the same time and I do mean at the same time.
- laying on the ground trying to get up while the enemies keep trying to stab me, getting up by dealing out some good kicks

Etc. Unless all of that and more is exactly the same in the games, I'm gonna go ahead and say your critique is not valid. They werr inspired by the games but def. had to add their own stuff. Disregarding that so quickly as 'no they didn't' isn't a very strong arguement.

Also, Nolan's best fight scene was in Interstellar. Everything else is just bad.

 

[Blackpanther25]

This probably sounds like an echo by now but I really liked the uncut version of Batman v Superman. Like everyone else I thinks the computer should have been after credits but I like the nightmare scenes

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it help shows Bruce's current state of mind

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But ultimately

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the Martha scene is still so freaking stupid. it literally killed the whole movie again for me

 

[Ahasverus]

Like everyone else I thinks the computer should have been after credits but I like the nightmare scenes

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it help shows Bruce's current state of mind

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This is actually new

 

[Dahbomb]

This is the best Nolan combat scene:

Clean, not many cuts, not terribly choreographed, easy to follow action. Not high on style or spectacle but it gets the job done. The music, editing with the other training and Ra's monologue make it damn near classic though.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Please, show me the stand out Nolan fight scenes. I'll be waiting with a book.

Then wait because I wont participate. Its like one of these threads were people post pictures of promis to proof they are ugly as sin and use picture from a bad angles and the one moment where the guys and gals look silly. Almost everything looks super shitty in slow GIFs where you see everything over and over again and can analyze the faults. You dont do this in cinema because new stuff already happens and you are busy watching it.

Nolans movies also didnt need a super amazing fight scenes to be critical aclaimed.

And in the end its still a super shitty comparison, because you posted the worst Nolan scenes against the best Snyde scene. Its super pointless.

 

[JB1981]

This is the best Nolan combat scene:

Clean, not many cuts, not terribly choreographed, easy to follow action. Not high on style or spectacle but it gets the job done. The music, editing with the other training and Ra's monologue make it damn near classic though.

It gets the job done but there is a lot of cutting. It works because of the emotion behind it not its technical achievements.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Just watched this, pretty good movie imo. Really (really) long but I pretty much liked all of it and I also liked how different this felt from other superhero movies. I like Marvel's stuff but I hope the Justice League movie isn't a copy of the Marvel formula :l

 

[Veelk]

Etc. Unless all of that and more is exactly the same in the games, I'm gonna go ahead and say your critique is not valid. They werr inspired by the games but def. had to add their own stuff. Disregarding that so quickly as 'no they didn't' isn't a very strong arguement.

Shit, you're right. If only I had at some point acknowledged that it wasn't a literal 1:1 replica, nor that it needed to be, to be considered lifted to a significant degree from the games.

Which is where I am ending this discussion. At this point, it's just like 6 different people making points I've addressed 6 times over now or else just making shit up whole handedly. There's no discussion being had anymore, it's just noise and fury.

And over what? Of all the shit I've said about BvS, it's bizarre that this is what everyone fixates on because it's something even I admit isn't a huge mark against the movie. Even if you disagree with me completely about it being ripped off, who cares? Why does it matter that I, a random internet goer, doesn't choose to give Snyder credit for this on a personal level?

I know I said it before, but this time, I simply have better shit to do than keep arguing the point here. I don't consider myself wrong, but I'm moving away from the debate out of sheer exhaustion.

 

[The Cretan]

Some easter eggs and observations:
Alien Among Us (similar to Injustice Among Us)

New 52

Who watches the watchmen? There is the name Harvey on the right, but he's just Harvey, neither Dent nor Bullock.

Flash's gloves cover the upper part of his fingers, not like the artwork in the video which showed the league's members.

There are two scratches on Bruce's chest and it looks like it got burned (the picture doen't show the burning very clearly). Catwoman and Firefly?

Ace chemicals

edit: Forgot to add it. Anti-nazi symbol

Also, what is that thing on the right?

 

[Ahasverus]

Just watched this, pretty good movie imo. Really (really) long but I pretty much liked all of it and I also liked how different this felt from other superhero movies. I like Marvel's stuff but I hope the Justice League movie isn't a copy of the Marvel formula :l

See, this is the kind of thing that has me worried. WB took the message as if people didn't like a different take on superheroes and now changed course. That is not wise, the difference makes it better.

 

[Bleepey]

Then wait because I wont participate. Its like one of these threads were people post pictures of promis to proof they are ugly as sin and use picture from a bad angles and the one moment where the guys and gals look silly. Almost everything looks super shitty in slow GIFs where you see everything over and over again and can analyze the faults. You dont do this in cinema because new stuff already happens and you are busy watching it.

Nolans movies also didnt need a super amazing fight scenes to be critical aclaimed.

And in the end its still a super shitty comparison, because you posted the worst Nolan scenes against the best Snyde scene. Its super pointless.

That's a really long-winded way of saying Nolan can't direct a fight scene for shit. We are talking about fight scenes. All I asked was for you to show the best Nolan fight scene, you have three films of content to draw from and you declined the opportunity.

 

[wamberz1]

Also, what is that thing on the right?

Reminds me of braniacs ship.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Uh okay so I just read the OP... Does "restored" mean it wasn't in the first version of the movie? As in, stuff like the senate scene wasn't in there? Wow... I can't imagine the movie working without all that stuff :v

 

[Ahasverus]

Uh okay so I just read the OP... Does "restored" mean it wasn't in the first version of the movie? As in, stuff like the senate scene wasn't in there? Wow... I can't imagine the movie working without all that stuff :v

Yes! Incredible, isn't it?

 

[The Adder]

Shit, you're right. If only I had at some point acknowledged that it wasn't a literal 1:1 replica, nor that it needed to be, to be considered lifted to a significant degree from the games.

Which is where I am ending this discussion. At this point, it's just like 6 different people making points I've addressed 6 times over now or else just making shit up whole handedly. There's no discussion being had anymore, it's just noise and fury.

And over what? Of all the shit I've said about BvS, it's bizarre that this is what everyone fixates on because it's something even I admit isn't a huge mark against the movie. Even if you disagree with me completely about it being ripped off, who cares? Why does it matter that I, a random internet goer, doesn't choose to give Snyder credit for this on a personal level?

I know I said it before, but this time, I simply have better shit to do than keep arguing the point here. I don't consider myself wrong, but I'm moving away from the debate out of sheer exhaustion.

The reason people object is because your point is nonsensical. "He based his fighting style off of another source" does not equal "his fight scenes have no creativity." And dinging them in comparrison to Nolan's is just plain stupid. Nolan didn't create his Batman's fighting style from wholecloth either. But because it looks clumsy an awkward most (not all) the time, you feel the need to justify it in the face of Snyder's superior choreography. "Yeah, but his isn't original" is the most sophmoric statement that could possibly come out of someone's mouth when it comes fight choreography because the style, not the actual scene, didn't spring fully formed from the director's mind, given how much goes into crafting a fight.

Regardless of your, absolutely incorrect, sincerity, it comes off as struggling to find some way to bitch about one of the things the film was universally praised on.

Hope that clears up some confusion.

 

[The Cretan]

Reminds me of braniacs ship.

The thing in the image looks like a giant squid. The Braniac's ship looks like a skull with tentacles. Not a bad guess, though.

Uh okay so I just read the OP... Does "restored" mean it wasn't in the first version of the movie? As in, stuff like the senate scene wasn't in there? Wow... I can't imagine the movie working without all that stuff :v

Some scenes were not included and yes, the first cut didn't work.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

It's pretty nihilistic, I think. If his parents death means nothing, and he became batman out of that, then he really did just do so so he could hurt the people he went up against while knowing it did nothing to actually help anyone. It makes it sound like he only became batman out of spite.

It unfortunately fits with some of the movies dialogue too. Bruce is partially going after superman to protect "his legacy" because with him around, everything he did was meaningless. All those lives he saved over the course of his career, all the people he helped, (assuming he did so) they don't mean anything to him apparently.

Precisely, it's nihilistic when you consider what Bruce Wayne had to go through currently, but I don't buy that he was like that from the get-go, which is why the interpretation doesn't make any sense to me. The interpretation makes it sound exactly as you mentioned: that he became Batman not out of his inner desire to change Gotham's situation, but out of spite, and that's not something I can agree with.

 

[RDreamer]

Finally got to watch this and it was even more incredible than the theater cut. Definitely a 9 or 9.5 out of 10 for me now and one of my favorite comic book movies. Watched it with some friends who never saw the TC and they all really liked it, too.

My fiancé (who hadn't seen the TC) afterwards: "so what did people not like about that? I don't get it."

 

[GAMEPROFF]

That's a really long-winded way of saying Nolan can't direct a fight scene for shit. We are talking about fight scenes. All I asked was for you to show the best Nolan fight scene, you have three films of content to draw from and you declined the opportunity.

I liked the scene were he first appeared in TDK or where he fought via that 3D-device-thing against the guys who just appeared to be villains.
But you will proof me with Gifs of short shots of these scenes that they were super ugly, too.

By the way, the holy grail of superhero fighting, Winter Sodier used a similar technic. Short, stupid looking puns who where cut so good that you think its super amazing and fall apart when you look at the short scenes alone.

 

[shoreu]

Shit, you're right. If only I had at some point acknowledged that it wasn't a literal 1:1 replica, nor that it needed to be, to be considered lifted to a significant degree from the games.

Which is where I am ending this discussion. At this point, it's just like 6 different people making points I've addressed 6 times over now or else just making shit up whole handedly. There's no discussion being had anymore, it's just noise and fury.

And over what? Of all the shit I've said about BvS, it's bizarre that this is what everyone fixates on because it's something even I admit isn't a huge mark against the movie. Even if you disagree with me completely about it being ripped off, who cares? Why does it matter that I, a random internet goer, doesn't choose to give Snyder credit for this on a personal level?

I know I said it before, but this time, I simply have better shit to do than keep arguing the point here. I don't consider myself wrong, but I'm moving away from the debate out of sheer exhaustion.

Raises Hand. What about my point

 

[Ahasverus]

My fiancé (who hadn't seen the TC) afterwards: "so what did people not like about that? I don't get it."

See, If WB were smart they'd be promoting this cut through heaven and earth. The consensus is far more favorable now and the good will might translate into Suicide Squad B.O. Numbers.

I guess they releasing the cut so early was a hard, good choice (because it cuts short the repeat sells) but a more aggressive promotion is needed, and worth it for the future reception of this film and the dceu, imo.

 

[J_Viper]

See, this is the kind of thing that has me worried. WB took the message as if people didn't like a different take on superheroes and now changed course. That is not wise, the difference makes it better.

That's kinda what happened though, right?

I sure as hell enjoyed it, but it was clear that the type of movie BvS did not connect with the general audience the way WB wanted it to.

Just look at the pacing. In the extended cut, it takes about two hours for the action to finally pop off. I'm okay with that, but most people are going to find that boring as hell. Compare that to the more successful Civil War, that managed to maintain a steady stream of action to break up the more "talky" portions of the movie.

JL needs to be a blockbuster to get that billion. BvS is barely even an action movie.

 

[Ahasverus]

That's kinda what happened though, right?

I sure as hell enjoyed it, but it was clear that the type of movie BvS did not connect with the general audience the way WB wanted it to.

Just look at the pacing. In the extended cut, it about two hours in when the action finally pops off. I'm okay with that, but most people are going to find that boring as hell.

JL needs to be a blockbuster. BvS is barely even an action movie.

I get that, but going full Marvel might remove a great feature from the DCEU movies: differentiation. See, if this was the theatrical cut the movie could have made more money because the WOM would not had been toxic. Yes, it's more a political/existential movie than a cbm until the end, but it's a story worth telling, and watching. The critics appreciation and the title as the "contrarian blockbuster franchise" can build a dedicated fanbase. ("What will DC surprise us with this time?)

Still, I don't think the filmaker trinity working on it (Snyder, Affleck, Terrio) are going to deliver an empty movie with JL, it's not in their nature.

 

[Bleepey]

I liked the scene were he first appeared in TDK or where he fought via that 3D-device-thing against the guys who just appeared to be villains.
But you will proof me with Gifs of short shots of these scenes that they were super ugly, too.

By the way, the holy grail of superhero fighting, Winter Sodier used a similar technic. Short, stupid looking puns who where cut so good that you think its super amazing and fall apart when you look at the short scenes alone.

!) Can you find it on youtube?
2)try again

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Okay, I do know something that every single person can agree on about The Ultimate Cut.

Alfred was pretty dope. I honestly can't think of any criticisms against Alfred in this movie. His role is short and sweet, and he has all the best lines in the movie.

 

[Blader]

See, If WB were smart they'd be promoting this cut through heaven and earth. The consensus is far more favorable now and the good will might translate into Suicide Squad B.O. Numbers.

I guess they releasing the cut so early was a hard, good choice (because it cuts short the repeat sells) but a more aggressive promotion is needed, and worth it for the future reception of this film and the dceu, imo.

Kinda hard to promote "We know you hated this movie a couple months ago, but this 3 hour cut is much better, we swear!"

Nolan:

Snyder:

Truly the Sophie's choice of our time.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Affleck isn't actually punching those guys in the face either, and it's quite clear in those gifs.

Shame on Nolan and Snyder for not gif-proofing their fight choreography!

 

[SargerusBR]

Okay, I do know something that every single person can agree on about The Ultimate Cut.

Alfred was pretty dope. I honestly can't think of any criticisms against Alfred in this movie. His role is short and sweet, and he has all the best lines in the movie.

My only criticism is that he deserved more screen time.

 

[J_Viper]

I get that, but going full Marvel might remove a great feature from the DCEU movies: differentiation. See, if this was the theatrical cut the movie could have made more money because the WOM would not had been toxic. Yes, it's more a political/existential movie than a cbm until the end, but it's a story worth telling, and watching. The critics appreciation and the title as the "contrarian blockbuster franchise" can build a dedicated fanbase. ("What will DC surprise us with this time?)

Still, I don't think the filmaker trinity working on it (Snyder, Affleck, Terrio) are going to deliver an empty movie with JL, it's not in their nature.

I don't think it'll be empty, but it'll certainly have a more varied tone than BvS, which is to be expected.

I do wonder how the UC would have done at the box office, had it been released as intended. A three hour film is a tough sell, especially when it's as slow paced as this one. I think the general audience reception would have been the same. I would imagine the RT score would not have been as low though.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Okay, I do know something that every single person can agree on about The Ultimate Cut.

Alfred was pretty dope. I honestly can't think of any criticisms against Alfred in this movie. His role is short and sweet, and he has all the best lines in the movie.

I'll happily agree here. Irons was great..

 

[Shaanyboi]

Okay, I do know something that every single person can agree on about The Ultimate Cut.

Alfred was pretty dope. I honestly can't think of any criticisms against Alfred in this movie. His role is short and sweet, and he has all the best lines in the movie.

He's a solid Alfred

 

[IconGrist]

It is kinda funny that Chris has to wait until Sebastian successfully flips and catches the knife. There's a good second there he could have clocked the shit out of him, haha. Pitfalls of choreography. Still, excellent scene.

 

[komarkaze]

Not sure if this is known, but there is a $5 special promo offer from VUDU if you have T-Mobile. I found it from the VUDU app on my phone which brings the HDX price from $19.99 to $14.99. If you happen to also have the T-Mobile Tuesday $5 credit, then it ultimately brings the price down to $9.99. I'm this close to buying it and I think the OP convinced me to do so.

 

[Bleepey]

Kinda hard to promote "We know you hated this movie a couple months ago, but this 3 hour cut is much better, we swear!"



I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Affleck isn't actually punching those guys in the face either, and it's quite clear in those gifs.

Shame on Nolan and Snyder for not gif-proofing their fight choreography!

I don't understand the snark, it's not a revelation to me that movie fight scenes don't have actual proper fighting. In Nolan's films the mooks wait in single file to have punches thrown at them that miss them by a foot, with cuts that look like they were directed by Edward Scissorhands. Also, it's not surprising that there are few punches thrown, inbetween running bulldogs, stabbing them with gauntlets in the stomach, a few karate chops, throwing them into walls, crates and dodging explosions he only found time to punch two people at the same time and another into the ground.

Also, my argument was that Nolan can't film fight scenes for shit.

 

[wachie]

lol

 

[CoachKevin]

What is the backstory on

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time travel dream sequence? Did this really happen or was it just a dream?

 

[Firemind]

Man don't remind me. I'm still mad this isn't what we got in the actual film.

 

[Shaanyboi]

What is the backstory on

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time travel dream sequence? Did this really happen or was it just a dream?

It'd be a weird-ass dream to have considering

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parademons and shit... I think the implication is that that's the future Flash

came from.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

It'd be a weird-ass dream to have considering

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parademons and shit... I think the implication is that that's the future Flash

came from.

Which is even more problematic for me because

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wouldn't that mean that Batman was right to be against the idea of Superman existing? Superman in the dream mentions that she meant everything to him, with the implication that he was talking about Lois. It could have been his mom too, but who knows. But if that's what happens when he loses someone close to him, Batman is pretty justified in wanting to wipe him out. So maybe it was a dream and then Flash reached out to him in that dream? I don't know, it's odd either way.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Please, show me the stand out Nolan fight scenes. I'll be waiting with a book.

Seriously. Nolan is trash in this respect.

 

[Discotheque]

The fight scenes in TDK were alright, they weren't great but decent. I also like the Bane fight, of course in comparison to Batman in the Warehouse it's no contest.

But one thing Nolan shitted all over Snyder on in the action front was the Batmobile scene. The vehicle scenes in all 3 of his films just destroy the crap we got in here. Especially in TDK. Man that entire stretch beginning from the Joker chase scene up to his escape from jail is incredible. Best in all of the genre easy.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Which is even more problematic for me because

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wouldn't that mean that Batman was right to be against the idea of Superman existing? Superman in the dream mentions that she meant everything to him, with the implication that he was talking about Lois. It could have been his mom too, but who knows. But if that's what happens when he loses someone close to him, Batman is pretty justified in wanting to wipe him out. So maybe it was a dream and then Flash reached out to him in that dream? I don't know, it's odd either way.

It's almost like this movie is pretty fucking clumsy in justifying its shit.

 

[a.wd]

I liked the original cut, because I just assumed the things that the uc filled in. But saying that, this is better.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

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The Flash is not coming from that future, as explicitly explained by the "Am I too early?" said at the very end.

It's almost like this movie is pretty fucking clumsy in justifying its shit.

It's almost like you jump to conclusions to justify your already-made narrative.

 

[Shaanyboi]

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The Flash is not coming from that future, as explicitly explained by the "Am I too early?" said at the very end.

It's almost like you jump to conclusions to justify your already-made narrative.

I don't know that describing this movie as clumsy, a pretty damn common complaint about it, really counts as "jumping to conclusions", but okay. And I didn't create any narrative. People typically don't like this movie. The Ultimate Cut is better, for whatever that is worth. That narrative exists well beyond just me.

 

[a.wd]

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The Flash is not coming from that future, as explicitly explained by the "Am I too early?" said at the very end.

It's almost like you jump to conclusions to justify your already-made narrative.

Wouldn't that mean too early in the timeline? As in I went too far back?

 

[Ahasverus]

Wouldn't that mean too early in the timeline? As in I went too far back?

Yeah that's the implication.

Don't sweat the knightmare scene, it probably led up to an Injustice type of future that was going to be averted in JL but due to the change in plans they are probably going to retcon it in spectacular fashion. It was never meant to make sense in BvS but in a future film.