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[vasametropolis]

Liked the theatrical cut, like the ultimate cut even more. People were crazy. They made some pretty big leaps in logic the TC, I'll give everyone that. It didn't do the movie any favours. But the most critically missing pieces are restored.

Yeah, it's a little dark and the heroes are in dark times. There are also still some third act issues, but that's about it. People can still dislike portrayals and certain elements, but I feel like it can no longer be considered an overall bad film by a long shot. It's actually fairly solid.

The character portrayals have been confirmed to be a result of where they're at personally during this story line too, as stated during visits to the Justice League set. Little to complain about, unless you're a purist, which is fair.

 

[Jmanunknown]

A few more things stuck out to me first Superman needed more moments where he was well Superman like the scene from the oil refinery in Man of Steel we got none of that in BvS. Second Batman was an absolute dick in this movie and he was made to look really stupid by letting Lex manipulate him and by not figuring out Clark Kent is Superman Batman is the World's greatest detective after all. Next Wonder Woman cutting doomsday with her sword makes absolutely no sense given this fool had just survived a nuclear blast and had just transformed and adapted to make his body stronger. Also I hate that the government in BvS is giving superman this grand sendoff funeral after they had just fired a damn nuclear missile at him.

 

[shoreu]

A few more things stuck out to me first Superman needed more moments where he was well Superman like the scene from the oil refinery in Man of Steel we got none of that in BvS. Second Batman was an absolute dick in this movie and he was made to look really stupid by letting Lex manipulate him and by not figuring out Clark Kent is Superman Batman is the World's greatest detective after all. Next Wonder Woman cutting doomsday with her sword makes absolutely no sense given this fool had just survived a nuclear blast and had just transformed and adapted to make his body stronger. Also I hate that the government in BvS is giving superman this grand sendoff funeral after they had just fired a damn nuclear missile at him.

Wonder Woman's sword is a god piercing weapon. That shit cuts pretty much anything.

 

[KalBalboa]

Spoiler

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjI7XerUNh3ESpig/giphy.gif

Also, parallels between the Wayne funeral and

Spoiler

Superman's funeral

https://www.instagram.com/p/BF4lbDxE5de/

Crap, I'm starting to respect this movie more.

 

[guek]

Wonder Woman's sword is a god piercing weapon. That shit cuts pretty much anything.

 

[Gleethor]

A few more things stuck out to me first Superman needed more moments where he was well Superman like the scene from the oil refinery in Man of Steel we got none of that in BvS. Second Batman was an absolute dick in this movie and he was made to look really stupid by letting Lex manipulate him and by not figuring out Clark Kent is Superman Batman is the World's greatest detective after all. Next Wonder Woman cutting doomsday with her sword makes absolutely no sense given this fool had just survived a nuclear blast and had just transformed and adapted to make his body stronger. Also I hate that the government in BvS is giving superman this grand sendoff funeral after they had just fired a damn nuclear missile at him.

There was a entire montage of Superman being Superman and also Diana's sword is magic.

 

[Strangelove77]

Just saw this now and it's really fucking bad. Never saw the theatrical version, so I can't imagine how that movie even works since this one doesnt.
Cool fight scenes and that's it. And mostly just the Batman fight scene when he rescues Superman's mom. The rest was just bland cg filler.

Mostly what I took from it is how insulting dumb the entire movie was. Just plain stupid. I haven't seen a movie this stupid(that wasn't made that way on purpose) in god knows how long. I feel like I was being talked down to by an imbecile the entire time. Good lord.

 

[Superflat]

The "world is introduced to the superman" at the start and the batman hostage rescue scene at the end were the only two scenes that were actually thrilling.

Saw it in theaters, and watched the ultimate cut today. I went into it fairly excited to revisit the film, but was bored throughout most of it, and so was my sister who was watching it for the first time. The film hammers its points into your head with a sledgehammer and there's little for the viewer to be invested in.

I just couldn't relate to anything going on emotionally aside from that one Hans Zimmer track.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Yet they'd likely would have had better word of mouth/made more money with this cut..priorities, I guess.

I mean, the movie is more coherent with all the Africa scenes, Clark investigating, etc. but I don't think critical consensus and the amount of money they would have gained would be significantly different. Long movies are hard to watch for most people.

 

[Magwik]

Just saw this now and it's really fucking bad. Never saw the theatrical version, so I can't imagine how that movie even works since this one doesnt.
Cool fight scenes and that's it. And mostly just the Batman fight scene when he rescues Superman's mom. The rest was just bland cg filler.

Mostly what I took from it is how insulting dumb the entire movie was. Just plain stupid. I haven't seen a movie this stupid(that wasn't made that way on purpose) in god knows how long. I feel like I was being talked down to by an imbecile the entire time. Good lord.

I don't understand how people can say shit like this without having seen actual bad movies. Like seriously go try to watch Taken 3. The film might bore you and you may not like Snyder's liberties taken and style, but good god your entire post is just hyperbole bs. If you can explain why you came away thinking all that, then I'd love to hear it.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxm1i4zvfYA

I don't understand how people can say shit like this without having seen actual bad movies. Like seriously go try to watch Taken 3. The film might bore you and you may not like Snyder's liberties taken and style, but good god your entire post is just hyperbole bs. If you can explain why you came away thinking all that, then I'd love to hear it.

Simmer down a bit, opinions will always vary.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Haven't seen this cut yet and I mostly enjoyed BvS actually, even if it is really flawed, but it was really weird that Wonder Woman could clearly injure Doomsday yet they had Superman perform the sacrificial blow. Even if her sword couldn't hurt Doomsday, she clearly could have used the spear without side effects.

I mean, I get that for plot purposes, it had to be him. It was just a bit contrived.

The comic didn't really have to deal with this logic gap though.

 

[Magwik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxm1i4zvfYA

Simmer down a bit, opinions will always vary.

I just find it so bizarre. Like I can see why people don't like the movie, but to feel personally insulted by it just baffles me considering most complaints come out to mundane, lifeless, joyless, and boring.

 

[Jmanunknown]

There was a entire montage of Superman being Superman and also Diana's sword is magic.

Yes I forgot this Doomsday is susceptible to all the kryptonian weaknesses and magic being one of them. I do not remember the montage of oh wait now I do I had completely forgotten about it the movie was so long. It was in the first hour they were trying to play him up as a god with all of Zack Snyder's religious imagery shots. Zack Snyder's Superman it almost always feels like it was burden that he was given these powers. It all goes back to everything being predetermined for Zack Snyder's Superman. Even his costume was already made for him in this universe. The only time its looked like he generally enjoyed himself at all while he was Superman was the first time he flew in his suit in Man of Steel.

 

[Strangelove77]

I don't understand how people can say shit like this without having seen actual bad movies. Like seriously go try to watch Taken 3. The film might bore you and you may not like Snyder's liberties taken and style, but good god your entire post is just hyperbole bs. If you can explain why you came away thinking all that, then I'd love to hear it.

From the OT:

"But Ahasverus, you sound like this should be nominated for every Oscar forever, what does still not work?
- Some plot contrivances are still there.
- It might be too long.
- The kryptonite spear retrieval by Lois is still a big hole. There is no explanation as to why she goes for it.
- We still have no idea how Lex knew who Batman/Superman were.
- The Martha moment is still good on paper, bad on execution.
- It's a sloooooow burn. It starts more like a thriller than an action movie.. then turns into a generic action movie in the third act.
- The motivation/knowledge to create Doomsday is still MIA.
- Superman is a little too tortured by everything. Poor guy.
- The dream scenes are jarring and have no place in the narrative
- The JL cameos are still out of place.
- The action is kind of lackluster and lacks physicality."

It makes for a very idiotic film. The script is completely braindead and just full of nonsensical shit done for no reason. I expect more from a superhero movie with some of the most iconic superheroes(especially when you have Batman in there) ever created, but I would have settled for a low brow explosion filled action flick. It was neither. It was just a failure.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

The soundtrack is really good.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

The soundtrack is really good.

Wonder Woman's theme is hype.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I don't understand how people can say shit like this without having seen actual bad movies. Like seriously go try to watch Taken 3. The film might bore you and you may not like Snyder's liberties taken and style, but good god your entire post is just hyperbole bs. If you can explain why you came away thinking all that, then I'd love to hear it.

Well, I'll say that I can understand someone saying it's truly a bad movie without hyperbole. Just because SyFy channel movies exist doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to personally give a pass and enjoy every movie that is released in theaters. Movies can be bad in different ways. Taken 3 is just nauseating to watch and it's lazy, there is no disputing that. I could never say the same thing about the directing of this. It's competently shot and at times even gorgeous film. That doesn't automatically make it a good film.

Personally, I was turned off by the pacing. It's a three hour long movie that takes 2 hours to get to the titular conflict, resolves that literally in minutes, and then introduces a brand new threat in the same act. If the movie is called Batman vs Superman, why not just let that be the primary focus? This movie takes so much from The Dark Knight Returns, but it misses so much too. It would be like putting Solomon Grundy into the last issue of DKR. Doomsday is just there so they can have a big set piece and fight a giant monster. But you already have a setup for that with the fight between Batman and Superman. Considering this movie is trying to sell the simmering tension between these characters for the entire film and then it gets resolved in minutes so they can fight a bad guy... it's bad plotting. If they wanted to do that, it should have happen in the second act. Shoving all that in the back end just hurts the final product and makes the movie extremely uneven.

So I could see someone being even more turned off by this movie. It's one thing to waste my time, but I'm probably going to be more forgiving of 90 minutes wasted as opposed to 180 minutes.

 

[Shanlei91]

My brother visits and says the internet is raving about this cut of the film. Him being a Marvel fan boy I think, okay, this has to at the very least be a bit better. My response afterwards:

It's the same crap with some added scenes that don't add to anything related to the original cut's criticism. Half way through my brother had to ask me if I selected the new cut or the theatrical release and checked the overall run time to make sure.

Still, whenever Affleck and Irons are on screen I say to myself "those two need their own movie". The movie is kind of fun and I really enjoy the action scenes, but it exists to build up what is to follow. It definitely has me sold on the next Batman film as being potentially better than the Nolan movies.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

The interesting thing about this movie is that even it kind of treats the whole idea of making a movie out of Batman and Superman fighting as a joke.

 

[GodParticle]

I still like this movie, even with its faults. I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than civil war

 

[ApharmdX]

I don't understand how people can say shit like this without having seen actual bad movies. Like seriously go try to watch Taken 3. The film might bore you and you may not like Snyder's liberties taken and style, but good god your entire post is just hyperbole bs. If you can explain why you came away thinking all that, then I'd love to hear it.

The pivotal scene (Martha!) is as bad as any that I've seen in any movie. It's unbearably stupid. Parts of BvS are great, like the intro, which was fantastic, but as a whole this is a bad movie. I saw the theatrical release and I watched the Ultimate Cut this weekend. The UC is better but it's still a bad movie!

Oh, and the Doomsday battle scene is a huge failure. Lots of simpering Lois Lane interrupting, a legendary villain reduced to 20 minutes of nonsense, and just a poor effort at entertaining us. Snyder can usually provide compelling action but only the Batman scene was a quality action scene.

 

[amar212]

What is that thing that Luthor hangs with in the red goo at the very end?

 

[BSherrod]

The pivotal scene (Martha!) is as bad as any that I've seen in any movie. It's unbearably stupid. Parts of BvS are great, like the intro, which was fantastic, but as a whole this is a bad movie. I saw the theatrical release and I watched the Ultimate Cut this weekend. The UC is better but it's still a bad movie!

Oh, and the Doomsday battle scene is a huge failure. Lots of simpering Lois Lane interrupting, a legendary villain reduced to 20 minutes of nonsense, and just a poor effort at entertaining us. Snyder can usually provide compelling action but only the Batman scene was a quality action scene.

Yeah, it's a better "film" now, but it's still a bad movie. You can't fix the core of a movie with additional footage. I thought Man of Steel showed promise that BvS didn't deliver on.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Goddammit, can't believe this thread came out the day I left on Holiday.

Attempting to watch now, but my internet is being a bitch...

 

[Lord Virgin]

Goddammit, can't believe this thread came out the day I left on Holiday.

Attempting to watch now, but my internet is being a bitch...

Ohh boy...

 

[jelly]

What is that thing that Luthor hangs with in the red goo at the very end?

Was that not Brainiac?

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

What is that thing that Luthor hangs with in the red goo at the very end?

That's Steppenwolf, an alien from the planet Apokolips. He's like a lieutenant of Darkseid.

Yes his name is dark side and he's from the planet apocalypse.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

That's Steppenwolf, an alien from the planet Apokolips. He's like a lieutenant of Darkseid.

Yes his name is dark side and he's from the planet apocalypse.

But they're both spelled funny, that makes it clever!

 

[Shaanyboi]

Yeah, it's a better "film" now, but it's still a bad movie. You can't fix the core of a movie with additional footage. I thought Man of Steel showed promise that BvS didn't deliver on.

I'd say the Ultimate Cut is easily above Man of Steel. There are actual conversations between characters, and the dialogue isn't terrible, there are motivations at play, there's something resembling a plot.

It still has HORRIBLY glaring issues, it's still not great by any means, but I could easily stomach watching the UC again over MOS.

 

[Discotheque]

i'd put it over the 2015 comic movies for sure. it has it's stupid moments but i also loved certain things about it and loved how it approached superman and the world's reaction to him particularly.

as for this year's stuff i can't call it better than civil war or deadpool as a movie but i found it more interesting by far. tbh i think movies like this are needed in such a crowded genre once in a while (same goes for deadpool). it's just snyder's not the right man for the job. the ideas he brings are great though.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

1. Watchmen (Director's Cut)
2. Dawn of the Dead (Unrated Director's Cut)
3. Batman v Superman (Ultimate Cut)
4. 300
5. Man of Steel
6. Sucker Punch (Extended Cut)
7. Owl

 

[DrBo42]

1. Watchmen (Director's Cut)
2. Dawn of the Dead (Unrated Director's Cut)
3. Batman v Superman (Ultimate Cut)
4. 300
5. Man of Steel
6. Sucker Punch (Extended Cut)
7. Owl

300 below Batman V Superman blows my mind.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

300 below Batman V Superman blows my mind.

It blows my mind too, tbh. I enjoy BvS UC so much that I think may have inflated the ranking.

(not spoiler)

Spoiler

I was tempted to put Sucker Punch Extended Cut above Man of Steel as well, and I have done so before.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

So I'm in the middle of watching this right now. Had to pause because my daughter is having night terrors and woke up my 7 month old son.

Quick question.

Is

Spoiler

Lex Luthor actually Lex Luthor junior?

 

[Lord Virgin]

So I'm in the middle of watching this right now. Had to pause because my daughter is having night terrors and woke up my 7 month old son.

Quick question.

Is

Spoiler

Lex Luthor actually Lex Luthor junior?

Yes.

 

[Firemind]

Yes.

In the extended cut, he mentions his father named the company after his son.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I don't understand how people can say shit like this without having seen actual bad movies. Like seriously go try to watch Taken 3. The film might bore you and you may not like Snyder's liberties taken and style, but good god your entire post is just hyperbole bs. If you can explain why you came away thinking all that, then I'd love to hear it.

Because people are idiots.

Even Taken 3 is a masterpiece compared to George Anton's Romeo and Juliet.

 

[Penguin]

A few more things stuck out to me first Superman needed more moments where he was well Superman like the scene from the oil refinery in Man of Steel we got none of that in BvS. Second Batman was an absolute dick in this movie and he was made to look really stupid by letting Lex manipulate him and by not figuring out Clark Kent is Superman Batman is the World's greatest detective after all. Next Wonder Woman cutting doomsday with her sword makes absolutely no sense given this fool had just survived a nuclear blast and had just transformed and adapted to make his body stronger. Also I hate that the government in BvS is giving superman this grand sendoff funeral after they had just fired a damn nuclear missile at him.

I've always hated this point because at no point in the movie do they show he is interested in learning who Superman is.

Actually, he is more obsessed with finding ways to kill him, and when he does look to pick a fight.... he is doing it on his terms so it doesn't matter if Superman is Clark Kent.

Now if he was trying to figure out who he was and didn't that makes him a bad detective.


That said, watched this cut. Much more full movie. I enjoyed the TC so not really surprising I enjoyed this. And others have said it before so just gonna offer up some thoughts on how could have sliced this movie.

I would have gotten rid of the Indian Ocean scene, I get why it's in there... but Bruce explains it to Alfred later and we see enough of the K to understand what it is. Actually think it would have been better for Lex/Bruce scene if we didn't learn what was Lex's package until it arrived at his HQ

I would have just put the Knightmare sequence at the beginning of the movie. It still has little impact on the actual film, but it isn't as jarring as sticking it in the middle of the film. And in some ways you can see it feed Bruce's paranoia.

In the middle of the movie, Bruce should still sleep, but this time his nightmare is the actual flashback to Man of Steel so you can reinforce his motivations and get a semi-action sequence in there.

I'd ditch the nightmare at his family crypt.

Move the Wonder Woman e-mail sequence to the end of the movie. I forgot Bruce already saw her photo so not really needed to set-up her age or anything.

 

[Lord Virgin]

In the extended cut, he mentions his father named the company after his son.

One of the articles/marketing previews mentioned how this was Lex Jr. Iirc it was confirmed by cast/crew. So if they wanted to, they could still go with Lex Sr in future movies like the MoS sequel.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Should I have watched the TC first? Because the whole time I've been watching the UE I'm wondering which bits are the extra bits.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Should I have watched the TC first? Because the whole time I've been watching the UE I'm wondering which bits are the extra bits.

Anything which explicitly explains the plot. The TC implies rather than explains.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Ok so it just finished. I'm confused.

Spoiler

I thought Lois knew Superman would heal in sunlight. Why bury him?

 

[IconGrist]

Ok so it just finished. I'm confused.

Spoiler

I thought Lois knew Superman would heal in sunlight. Why bury him?

Superman doesn't seem to have a full understanding of his abilities so Lois probably knows less than he does.

 

[brochiller]

From the OT:

"But Ahasverus, you sound like this should be nominated for every Oscar forever, what does still not work?
- Some plot contrivances are still there.
- It might be too long.
- The kryptonite spear retrieval by Lois is still a big hole. There is no explanation as to why she goes for it.
- We still have no idea how Lex knew who Batman/Superman were.
- The Martha moment is still good on paper, bad on execution.
- It's a sloooooow burn. It starts more like a thriller than an action movie.. then turns into a generic action movie in the third act.
- The motivation/knowledge to create Doomsday is still MIA.
- Superman is a little too tortured by everything. Poor guy.
- The dream scenes are jarring and have no place in the narrative
- The JL cameos are still out of place.
- The action is kind of lackluster and lacks physicality."

It makes for a very idiotic film. The script is completely braindead and just full of nonsensical shit done for no reason. I expect more from a superhero movie with some of the most iconic superheroes(especially when you have Batman in there) ever created, but I would have settled for a low brow explosion filled action flick. It was neither. It was just a failure.

I don't get any of these supposed "plot holes." People watch these movies to try and notice the holes to make themselves feel smarter than the filmmaker like "OMG I saw this movie once and notice this missing plot that the people who worked on the film for years never found and it ruins the entire movie."

If plot holes are ruining your enjoyment of CBM maybe you should give them a break for a while.

 

[Arnie7]

I still think they should have had Aquaman be the one to bring the kryptonite spear up from the water not Lois. He slowly rises from water looks at superman and says "Here you go, I think this belongs to you". *start epic wonder woman music*

That would have been a better cameo then the underwater breath holding.

 

[Kinyou]

- The motivation/knowledge to create Doomsday is still MIA.

Oh man, I was hoping this cut might fix it. It's imo still one of the most jarring omissions. Something like Louis knowing to get the spear is something I can forgive easier than the missing motivation of the villain.

 

[Wind's Howling]

I still think they should have had Aquaman be the one to bring the kryptonite spear up from the water not Lois. He slowly rises from water looks at superman and says "Here you go, I think this belongs to you". *start epic wonder woman music*

That would have been a better cameo then the underwater breath holding.

Absolutely not.

I said to my friends when we were watching it a few months ago in theaters that, if they use Aquaman in that scene instead of staying with Lois, I am getting out of my seat and leaving.

The film was cringeworthy enough without that stuff.

 

[Lord Virgin]

Oh man, I was hoping this cut might fix it. It's imo still one of the most jarring omissions. Something like Louis knowing to get the spear is something I can forgive easier than the missing motivation of the villain.

He learned about all kinds of stuff from the AI in the ship. Once he learned about Doomsday, he saw it as a chance to take down Superman once and for all. This goes back to his 'silver bullet' monologue against the senator. The idea to take this alien down with his own silver bullet, thinking he could control Doomsday (blood of my blood). Obviously, he was very wrong.

 

[Blader]

I don't get any of these supposed "plot holes." People watch these movies to try and notice the holes to make themselves feel smarter than the filmmaker like "OMG I saw this movie once and notice this missing plot that the people who worked on the film for years never found and it ruins the entire movie."

If plot holes are ruining your enjoyment of CBM maybe you should give them a break for a while.

Or maybe plot holes just present themselves.