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Batman v Superman Ultimate Cut |OT| - Men are still good (out now)

Shaanyboi

Banned
I think this is how she becomes a robot. It would totally make sense. We think she's dead then she just up and appears in the next superman movie all fine.

She was like... right next to the chair when it blew up. She's a big red stain on Capital Hill. It ain't going to be Mercy. At best, it's a robot that looks like Mercy. Or hell, maybe he has an assembly line of disposable Mercys.
 

shoreu

Member
She was like... right next to the chair when it blew up. She's a big red stain on Capital Hill. It ain't going to be Mercy. At best, it's a robot that looks like Mercy. Or hell, maybe he has an assembly line of disposable Mercys.

Yeah that's exactly what she's going to be. I would honestly be surprised if she wasn't already a robot.

Because she's always a robot

Or an Amazon
 

guek

Banned
Because why the fuck was that opening dream necessary at all? Because you otherwise have a pretty good introduction that could have ended 20 seconds earlier and it wouldn't have resulted in me struggling to contain my laughter. Instead they end on this heavy-handed attempt at symbolism.

I mean I know it's Snyder, but jesus...

The expression on the kid's face as he falls made me laugh both times I watched it

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Yes, this is a dumb nitpick, I know, I know!!
 
The expression on the kid's face as he falls made me laugh both times I watched it

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Yes, this is a dumb nitpick, I know, I know!!

shit's hilarious. very well done montage but that face and then rising with the bats was goofy as hell.

the bat thing didn't really bother me on rewatch though since I went in expecting a dream sequence. but the first time....lmao. batman begins did the bats circling bruce thing much better imo, but snyder really likes his overt symbolism.

edit: speaking of that montage. did y'all see the batman begins version people made for it? man this track is so good. zimmer/junkie xl put in work again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iROY49Bsxfk. and the opening titles are classy.
 

Ashhong

Member
shit's hilarious. very well done montage but that face and then rising with the bats was goofy as hell.

the bat thing didn't really bother me on rewatch though since I went in expecting a dream sequence. but the first time....lmao. batman begins did the bats circling bruce thing much better imo, but snyder really likes his overt symbolism.

edit: speaking of that montage. did y'all see the batman begins version people made for it? man this track is so good. zimmer/junkie xl put in work again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iROY49Bsxfk. and the opening titles are classy.

Didn't someone from gaf do that? Thought it was antovolk maybe
 

Dead

well not really...yet
It's a minor thing but that font they use in the opening is kind of fantastic.



Seeing "Batman v Superman - Dawn of Justice" in this really understated type in the corner of the screen was so unlike the way these movies kind of carry themselves. Suppose it sets the tone quite well. Also threw me for a loop as I was expecting them to keep the Nolan tradition of movie title at the end that Man of Steel did, but then again Nolan was more involved in that than in this.

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Yeah it's such a weird and minor thing to notice but my favorite opening titles in recent times have been Fury Road, BvS and Midnight Special

...WB da gawds.
 
It's a minor thing but that font they use in the opening is kind of fantastic.



Seeing "Batman v Superman - Dawn of Justice" in this really understated type in the corner of the screen was so unlike the way these movies kind of carry themselves. Suppose it sets the tone quite well. Also threw me for a loop as I was expecting them to keep the Nolan tradition of movie title at the end that Man of Steel did, but then again Nolan was more involved in that than in this.

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Yeah, I absolutely love this.
 

neorej

ERMYGERD!
Yeah it's such a weird and minor thing to notice but my favorite opening titles in recent times have been Fury Road, BvS and Midnight Special

...WB da gawds.

Deadpool has the best opening sequence of all eternity, closely followed by Guardians of the Galaxy.
 
Guardians and Deadpool was fun. But when I saw Fury Road's metal as fuck title pop up with that heavy music...I felt like I was about to watch a classic. Almost brought tears to my eyes lol, I need more of that aesthetic.

https://youtu.be/-IJ8_Jf891k?t=5m28s

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edit: deadpool's was pretty original though with the joke credits for sure. and fwiw i think guardians had one of the best openings of any marvel studios movie, set the tone well with chris pratt fucking around. iron man 3 has eiffel 65 though so >>>>
 
It's a minor thing but that font they use in the opening is kind of fantastic.



Seeing "Batman v Superman - Dawn of Justice" in this really understated type in the corner of the screen was so unlike the way these movies kind of carry themselves. Suppose it sets the tone quite well. Also threw me for a loop as I was expecting them to keep the Nolan tradition of movie title at the end that Man of Steel did, but then again Nolan was more involved in that than in this.

T6gUOHW.jpg

I feel like they should've opened the movie with just Batman v Superman in that understated type in the corner and then when they cut to black at the end just had Dawn of Justice come up in the same way as Man of Steel. It would've been really different and gotten both titles in there without it looking so ridiculous.

And I also hate that they actually added Ultimate Edition to the actual title credits. It makes the title look even more dumb when it pops up.
 
I don't think the movie's flawless, I just think the movie was and still is harshly judged. Especially when you compare it to Civil War. I don't have to bring Civil War down to build BVS up, that said when you read complaints about Wonder Woman's cameo being tacked on yet a circle jerk over Spider-man. Oh and whilst we are at it, how about Iron Man flying across continents to bring a 16 year to fight Super soldiers, Zemo being kinda omniscient with regards to knowing Cap and iron Man would feel differently about registration. The movie would be a lot shorter if Cap and Tony were either like let's sign this shit or both were like "nah we'll ignore it". At least with BVS, Lex was having both people monitored and that's how he knew how both sides felt and exploited it. That said with any movie you could find plotholes if you think hard enough.
It's kind of funny how Mark Zuckerberg figured out Superman's identity.
 

wetflame

Pizza Dog
It's kind of funny how Mark Zuckerberg figured out Superman's identity.

It's kind of ridiculous more people don't. It's not a stretch for someone with the skills and connections he has to start looking into who Superman is - the only thing that might have held him back is if there wasn't a lot of clear footage of him, but he's not making any effort to disguise his appearance or avoid being photographed. Add to that the fact that Lois seems to be so closely connected to Superman and all he'd really need to do is start looking into her life to find someone who looks just like Superman hanging around with her.
 
It's kind of ridiculous more people don't. It's not a stretch for someone with the skills and connections he has to start looking into who Superman is - the only thing that might have held him back is if there wasn't a lot of clear footage of him, but he's not making any effort to disguise his appearance or avoid being photographed. Add to that the fact that Lois seems to be so closely connected to Superman and all he'd really need to do is start looking into her life to find someone who looks just like Superman hanging around with her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvj0X-d2mO0
 
As soon as Lois found out Clark's identity through information gathering in man of steel it was a lock for lex and bruce to find out in BvS. They got half of it at least lol.

they did the same with stark and spiderman in the latest captain america. honestly i buy into the glasses disguise as it's presented in these movies, especially the Richard Donner/Singer films. but if the right people want to know they should be able to find out as well. secret identities aint cutting it no more.
 

IconGrist

Member
Remember those "interviews" with Lex before BvS came out? It was alluded to then that Lex knew who Batman was. Something along the lines of Wayne Tech's R&D division having a bunch of money being funneled into it yet they have never have anything to show for it. He also threw some shade at Amanda Waller.
 

Bleepey

Member
Remember those "interviews" with Lex before BvS came out? It was alluded to then that Lex knew who Batman was. Something along the lines of Wayne Tech's R&D division having a bunch of money being funneled into it yet they have never have anything to show for it. He also threw some shade at Amanda Waller.

Link?
 

Alienous

Member
BvS' Opening Credits sequence is fantastic. It really conveyed not just a murder, but the tragedy that created Batman.

However in the Ultimate Edition I paid attention to Affleck's dialogue, and man is it bad. "Things fall, things on Earth ... and what falls ... is fallen". What?
 
Remember those "interviews" with Lex before BvS came out? It was alluded to then that Lex knew who Batman was. Something along the lines of Wayne Tech's R&D division having a bunch of money being funneled into it yet they have never have anything to show for it. He also threw some shade at Amanda Waller.

How would he have access to that kind of information? It would take some level of corporate espionage, especially when that kind of information is not public anyways (unless it's under unique circumstances).
 

qcf x2

Member
I watched this movie and wow it is bad. I keep thinking of all the different ways it is bad or doesn't really make sense or is just needlessly confusing.

It was a real mistake to not do a standalone Batman movie with Affleck first.

Also to have so much of the plot, character's motivations and access to information be so ambiguous.

What a confused mess of a movie.

It's a shame because their are good elements, I think quite a lot of the cast are decent, but the material and direction just let it down.

Why did they try to turn Luthor into Joker? Their was flashes of a good Luthor in their, but most of the time he was just being inexplicably wacky.

Why did Batman murder a load of henchmen?

Why did they shoehorn WW and The Flash in so badly instead of introducing them in their own movies?

What on earth was that dream sequence about?

I need to stop because there are so many questions of why they did a dumb thing with this movie.

This is how I feel. I didn't watch the theatrical BvS, so this was my first time seeing the film in any capacity. It's just a mess, which is unfortunate because some people did their jobs. I thought the 3 main superheroes were played quite well, but the movie title itself is horribly misleading since it's BvS for like... what, 20 minutes? Then DD felt like it was out of nowhere. Lex Joker was just awful and unbelievable. It's like they took fourteen different rough drafts and just said fuck it, let's do them all.
 

IconGrist

Member

There were 2 interviews.

http://fortune.com/contentfrom/2015/10/5/lex-luthor-jr/ntv_a/3dsBA58oDAfxgFA/

http://www.wired.com/brandlab/2015/...-disrupting-the-vigilante-industrial-complex/



How would he have access to that kind of information? It would take some level of corporate espionage, especially when that kind of information is not public anyways (unless it's under unique circumstances).

From the Wired interview posted above.

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From the Wired interview posted above.

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Very weird...

I mean, Nolan's Bruce was able to keep R&D off the books through special accounting, so you would think Snyder's Bruce would do the same to prevent detection once numbers are made public. Not to compare the two, just mentioning how it's pretty lazy for Bruce to keep the numbers floating out there, especially if it's Wayne Enterprises spending money.
 

Blader

Member
It's a minor thing but that font they use in the opening is kind of fantastic.



Seeing "Batman v Superman - Dawn of Justice" in this really understated type in the corner of the screen was so unlike the way these movies kind of carry themselves. Suppose it sets the tone quite well. Also threw me for a loop as I was expecting them to keep the Nolan tradition of movie title at the end that Man of Steel did, but then again Nolan was more involved in that than in this.

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I don't hate it, but I thought it was a really weird choice.

The opening montage of Bruce's origin + Metropolis destruction is a good one-two sequence (though still doesn't top Snyder's masterful work on the Watchmen opening) but the very understated way they present BATMAN VERSUS SUPERMAN was bizarre to me.

I guess in hindsight, it fits the tone of that very first scene, and perhaps placing it at the end wouldn't work (Superman's dead and Bruce has come around, so ending it with "Batman v Superman" would just kinda contradict the whole resolution). But personally I think I would've liked it more if they'd placed the title after the opening cuts from the MoS flashback to two years later. You've got that lingering shot of a pissed off Bruce looking at the devastation caused by Superman and Zod, and then smash cut to the BvS title.

Deadpool has the best opening sequence of all eternity, closely followed by Guardians of the Galaxy.

I thought we had all decided that was Once Upon a Time in the West.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
BvS' Opening Credits sequence is fantastic. It really conveyed not just a murder, but the tragedy that created Batman.

However in the Ultimate Edition I paid attention to Affleck's dialogue, and man is it bad. "Things fall, things on Earth ... and what falls ... is fallen". What?
I took it as a tease of what's to come. It was once a "diamond absolute" that when something dies, it's just done. But with Supes obviously coming back, that assumption is more or less outside the window, right? Plus with something like Red Hood maybe coming down...

You're right, it sounds super dumb. But if you take it as Bruce narrating from farther down the road, after Supes' resurrection in Justice League, it kinda makes sense.
 

jrush64

Banned
I don't think the movie's flawless, I just think the movie was and still is harshly judged. Especially when you compare it to Civil War. I don't have to bring Civil War down to build BVS up, that said when you read complaints about Wonder Woman's cameo being tacked on yet a circle jerk over Spider-man. Oh and whilst we are at it, how about Iron Man flying across continents to bring a 16 year to fight Super soldiers, Zemo being kinda omniscient with regards to knowing Cap and iron Man would feel differently about registration. The movie would be a lot shorter if Cap and Tony were either like let's sign this shit or both were like "nah we'll ignore it". At least with BVS, Lex was having both people monitored and that's how he knew how both sides felt and exploited it. That said with any movie you could find plotholes if you think hard enough.


Holy shit, I never even thought of it that way. lol. I most certainly agree with you though about the movie being harshly judged and kind of just piled on, you know.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
I don't think the movie's flawless, I just think the movie was and still is harshly judged. Especially when you compare it to Civil War. I don't have to bring Civil War down to build BVS up, that said when you read complaints about Wonder Woman's cameo being tacked on yet a circle jerk over Spider-man. Oh and whilst we are at it, how about Iron Man flying across continents to bring a 16 year to fight Super soldiers, Zemo being kinda omniscient with regards to knowing Cap and iron Man would feel differently about registration. The movie would be a lot shorter if Cap and Tony were either like let's sign this shit or both were like "nah we'll ignore it". At least with BVS, Lex was having both people monitored and that's how he knew how both sides felt and exploited it. That said with any movie you could find plotholes if you think hard enough.
Yes, the movie would be a lot shorter if the two lead characters didn't disagree on a central issue dependant on their values and worldview. Almost like that's a pretty key part of the story.

Also, Zemo has little to do with the Civil War plot. At most, he frames Winter Soldier and leaves breadcrumbs for the Avengers to follow him.
 

IconGrist

Member
Correct me if I'm wrong but Zemo had nothing to do with Accords, right? There was no need for him to control Stark and Rogers disagreeing.
 
Honestly despite the flaws and all I'm starting to really warm up to this more. This is the first snyder movie that has improved in my mind after viewing it. Man of Steel, watchmen, 300 etc. Either immediately after watching them in theaters or a brief period later I like them less and less

But with this I totally buy the world he presented here. The superman stuff especially was really well done imo. Batman needed another run through on the script imo but I did really like that he was practically another villain in the film.

Sooner or later this is somehow gonna end up being a top 10 superhero movie for me. Snyder made superman and batman very impulsive and flawed characters and you either buy into this or despise it.

That metropolis scene was exactly what I wanted out of one of these bland ass city destruction sequences. It really puts you on the ground with them. That shot of Bruce getting out of the chopper as like 12 fighter jets are getting ready to engage in combat above him in a crowded city sells it immediately. Shit is scary.
 
Zemo said at the end that tearing the Avenger's apart was all a part of his plan. However he had no way of knowing the Avenger's would feel differently about it.

Tearing apart the Avengers was exactly what he wanted to do (through manipulating how Bucky would be received in the eyes of Steve Rogers and Tony Stark. Stark would want to apprehend him, whereas Rogers would be quick to defend him).

You act as if Zemo asspulled manipulating the Avengers with the Sokovia Accords in mind, when he had absolutely nothing to do with Sokovia Accords. You're grasping at non-existent straws and misconstruing Civil War's plot.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
Correct me if I'm wrong but Zemo had nothing to do with Accords, right? There was no need for him to control Stark and Rogers disagreeing.
He didn't control them disagreeing at all. At most, left behind a breadcrumb trail to where he presented a detail that he knew would set Tony off, and knew that Cap's sympathies towards Bucky would take top priority.

The accords are nothing more than a well-timed opportunity to initiate the plan.
After all, it leaves over half the Avengers as fugitives.
 

Ahasverus

Member
All villain plans need suspension of disbelief, every single one. There is no way of predicting a human reaction. The Joker, Zemo, Luthor, all of them relied on contrievances and coincidences.

And that's perfectly acceptable. If you can't separate comic book stories from real life I can't help you.
 
Are people still complaining about motives in this movie despite being clear as day?

And to quickly comment on Civil War: The part in the airport where Black Widow cuts off Cap with "You can't punch your way through this one, Cap" as he's in the middle of EXPLAINING what's going on is truly bullshit lol.
 

IconGrist

Member
All villain plans need suspension of disbelief, every single one. There is no way of predicting a human reaction. The Joker, Zemo, Luthor, all of them relied on contrievances and coincidences.

And that's perfectly acceptable. If you can't separate comic book stories from real life I can't help you.

I don't think this is a good argument. Especially when a hole in the plan could have been fixed with like a 3 letter sentence.

"Obeys only me!" for instance with Lex.

I would have also like there ot be something about them checking the authenticity of the photo of Bucky before they just all decided to go after him.
 
I didn't care all that much about the cap/stark conflict until the reveal at the end. Honestly cap is a good dude but I've never found him particularly interesting in the mcu. So him constantly espousing his one liners about freedom and fear etc. Never really worked for me in this one either. I didn't find that sokovia debate all that compelling. I was practically just waiting for black panther and spiderman to show up the whole time. (Surprisingly ant man nearly steals the show tho)

But when he defends his friend from stark at the end after he witnesses that murder. I was all in on that fight, it felt far more personal than ever before in that universe. RDJ stole the scene especially with that really annoyed and contemptuous look as he back hands the guy.
 
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