That was originally Lex's dialogue.
They just changed it to Blood of my Blood
Which basically infers the same thing, so really the hole was never there.
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Batman v Superman Ultimate Cut |OT| - Men are still good (out now)
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They just changed it to Blood of my Blood
Which basically infers the same thing, so really the hole was never there.
That is a really vague way to go about it. It really needed that line.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
Well, that was a mostly shitty 3 hours. Fucking hell.
Yes that was mehaha.
Also in case any of you guys haven't seen it - here's a fan trailer I did for the UE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N21qOum5kuY
Holy shit, thats an awesome trailer. :O
bananafactory
Banned
Is this available for rent yet?
I refuse to buy something I'll probably still hate, but I want to watch it
I refuse to buy something I'll probably still hate, but I want to watch it
Not until the physical version hits.
bananafactory
Banned
I guess I shouldn't ask how everyone else here has seen it then
Smokey_Run
Member
They bought the digital version online? Currently, you can't rent the digital version, but you can own it.
I just watched it for first time the other night, you did a good job of saying how I feel lol
The good bits of this movie are still really good. Snyder is atleast capable of making great sequences. The opening montage is great (though as I said before, the last 20 seconds, dream or not, are fucking hilarious and are completely unnecessary). The Metropolis invasion is great (aside from idiot Wayne management dude needing permission to leave). Wonder Woman, for as little as she is in it, is still pretty cool. Batman atleast moves like Batman should, and Affleck is great in both sides of the role.
And yeah, this cut is easily a better movie with most of the additions all filling in holes or atleast adding much-needed character beats.
Lois and Clark both benefit by far the most from this. Lois actually does some damn investigating, making her plot actually go somewhere. Is it super compelling? No, but it atleast answers some necessary questions. And Clark actually gets something resembling a personality with his extra time. He gets more time just talking with Lois, he gets time investigating, and I genuinely really enjoyed that added phonecall between him and his mom. It's so short, but it atleast humanizes him a bit. Something Man of Steel and the Theatrical Cut completely failed to do.
But I also keep saying 'Clark' because I still don't care for this version of Superman. The added beat after the explosion is good and very necessary, I think Cavill is capable of playing him, but as I've said before, I don't know what really drives him to put on the costume beyond monologues other characters have to say about him. And really, at no point in this movie am I ever glad to see Superman on-screen. I am never allowed to just go "Man, Superman's great." Maybe it's the lack of an action beat that isn't surrounded by fucking relentless murder. Maybe it's because nobody is allowed to have a good time aside from Lex.
You're still stuck having to grasp whatever the hell Eisenberg is doing. A millennial billionaire Lex Luthor sounds like a perfectly valid approach, but whatever he chose to do with it was just... eh. You're still stuck with a movie that is so fucking oppressively moody. You're still stuck with that nonsensical Knightmare sequence which completely lacks a meaningful context, and feels there purely because they desperately needed an additional action beat.
You're still stuck with 'Martha', and I'd be more forgiving if the titular fight just felt less... dumb. The second the two meet at the start of that sequence, there's this really bizarre contrived prolonging of Superman explaining the situation, and he just starts fighting back because... ehh? His temper? It's like someone fiddling around, taking the longest way possible to ask someone on a date when they could say it in like 8 words.
"Bruce.... You have... to listen to me.... Lex --"
*SOUND CANNONS*
"You don't.... UNDERSTAND. THERE'S NO TIME."
Then just get to the damn point?
Like for a full two minutes at the start, Batman is completely unable to do anything to Superman. In that time, Superman could have explained the situation three times over. Like even if Batman just started wailing on Superman, it'd practically be like a misquito. "Hey, look, Lex Luthor has my mom and he's been manipulating both of us into this fight. I don't wanna be here, but he said if I don't kill you, he'll kill my mom, and she's an innocent in all of this. I may not like you, but -- hey, seriously, just cut it out, okay? I'm trying to talk." Like Superman doesn't want to be there. He doesn't believe in this fight. So why should we?
It's out digitally to own. Just can't be rented, lol.
bananafactory
Banned
I just didn't think that many people were dropping $30 on a digital version of a film many of them still don't seem to like that much
I assumed it was streamable on some service early
You'd be amazed at the dumb shit I'll spend my money on if my curiosity compels me enough.
That opening scene made me forget that I was attending a 30% RT movie. Great stuff. Even more satisfying if one has watched Man of Steel
The UC has been much better received. A lot of the arguing in this thread is being done by the same 5 or 6 posters, lol. If you hated the TC you'll likely still hate the UC though. Just depends on what bothered you. Tone and story? No change. Pacing and editing? Drastic improvement.
Why did you add all those breaks?
bananafactory
Banned
Yeah I've skimmed most of the points and I know I still won't enjoy it. But I just need to watch it to know for sure, haha.
It's all good, I'll be patient until the 19th
Because that's exactly how it feels watching that bit. Like I practically am just motioning my hand going "come on, get it out." And then he starts tossing Batman around for no reason.
The movie paints this picture of Batman to Clark that he is violent, savage and won't listen to reason, only violence. He tries to reason with him, but once Bruce starts to attack him, with extreme prejudice, Clark realizes he needs to subdue him before he can talk sense into him.
Once Bruce uses the Kryptonite, then it's a matter of Clark actually having to fight to survive.
How Clark acts in the fight makes far more sense in the Ultimate Cut.
Once Bruce uses the Kryptonite, then it's a matter of Clark actually having to fight to survive.
How Clark acts in the fight makes far more sense in the Ultimate Cut.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Is there any way to legally rent this thing yet? I do not want to spend 20+ quid on something I'll only see once.
Eh, didn't bother me. Even if Superman got it out I don't think Bruce would have listened. Either way the fight is dumb.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
I have a hard time buying that Superman doesn't believe in the fight when he's been trashing Batman through buildings and slamming him on the roof. It's one of those moments where Snyder cared about the fight more than the story behind it. If that makes any sense.
bananafactory
Banned
I just asked that thinking maybe it was available early to rent or stream but yeah we gotta wait, only way to watch is to buy digital
Ultimate is at the very least a (mostly) coherent movie. Just a really fucking long one.
Absolutely UC, remember,the TC does't exist.
Yeah the actual fight itself makes little sense. I honestly couldn't say whether or not Clark would have murdered Bruce if he had come out on top in the end based on how aggressive he was. I'd like to think he wouldn't but it's difficult to say for sure.
Um it's really not, come on.
He literally says if he wanted it, Batman would be dead already. After which he's hit by the kryptonite grenade and them he's essentially fighting to stay alive after that.
I thought there weren't extra scenes added to the fight?
neoism
Member
still havent seen the TC dont really want too the UC is awesome...
Captainbojanglesiii
Banned
Everything Batman is great. Lois Lane wasn't terrible. Martha scene was horrible. Doomsday fight was bleh for the most part. Lex portrayal was just weird, but it worked better at the end when he goes bald. He certainly looked the part. Overall it wasn't as bad as I expected it to be, but it wasn't great.
6/10
6/10
Its the added context from the rest of the additional scenes.
Discotheque
Banned
I don't like how immediately friendly batman got with supes after he came to his senses but the more I think about Batman the more the Martha thing actually works tho.
We tend to forget just how mentally problematic batman is. His psyche is completely fucked. How many times have people joked about how he never shuts the hell up or moves on from his parents deaths in various media. His whole mission and purpose in life is often borne from that event. So if a guy can be so consumed by that as to put on a Bat costume and beat up criminals for a living then I can buy (at times) that superman saying that would throw him for a loop. Lol the confused face he makes when Superman mentions Martha says it all. He really doesnt know what to do and it throws him out of wack. I suppose that would be a good time for him to finally listen to reason as he lets his guard down and reassesses things. In this film in particular since he mentions he has numerous dreams about the event and visiting their grave etc.
Superman unintentionally did some Sigmund Freud mind games on the guy.
It's pretty silly but I can buy it as batmans kryptonite in that particular scenario where he's about to kill a man face to face.
We tend to forget just how mentally problematic batman is. His psyche is completely fucked. How many times have people joked about how he never shuts the hell up or moves on from his parents deaths in various media. His whole mission and purpose in life is often borne from that event. So if a guy can be so consumed by that as to put on a Bat costume and beat up criminals for a living then I can buy (at times) that superman saying that would throw him for a loop. Lol the confused face he makes when Superman mentions Martha says it all. He really doesnt know what to do and it throws him out of wack. I suppose that would be a good time for him to finally listen to reason as he lets his guard down and reassesses things. In this film in particular since he mentions he has numerous dreams about the event and visiting their grave etc.
Superman unintentionally did some Sigmund Freud mind games on the guy.
It's pretty silly but I can buy it as batmans kryptonite in that particular scenario where he's about to kill a man face to face.
From a thematic and mythical standpoint, it's the only way the fight could have ended.
I wish it was paced a little better, like you said, it happens a little fast, but no other resolution to the fight would have been as true to the characters or the themes as this one was
Batman's quick turn around probably wouldn't have been as jarring if he hadn't spent the first hour mowing down bad guys. It would have changed the story from a man well beyond the edge, to a man teetering on the edge. I mean, I really would love to read the Chris Terrio script and see if he explicitly writes that Batman kills dudes during the Batmobile car chase sequence or if that was one of Zack Snyder's over-indulgences.
Discotheque
Banned
Yeah that batmobile scene was more trouble than it was worth. It wasn't even a good action scene either
And kind of similar to the chase scene from TDK, but much worse.
Completely disagree. It makes perfect sense that their fight end with some kind of understanding, but they picked the worst reasoning behind it.
His actions don't reflect his words. He says there's no time, that Bruce is right, that Lex is behind everything, and then immediately throws him through a building. Yes, he could have killed him immediately if he'd wanted, which is doubly weird because he could have easily accidentally killed him anyway. After that first grenade, he's definitely in the fight, and it becomes really unclear what he's hoping to accomplish by running Batman through several floors and tossing him through walls.
lol, that's hilariously absurd.
Ultimate edition free. Theatrical cut should not exist in any form anymore.
Lets just ignore the constant barrage of attacks Batman lays at Superman and his refusal to even hear what he has to say. Superman realizes he has to subdue him before he'll even listen to him ("Men like him don't listen to words) There's literally no inconsistency here, unless you're looking to twist the scene to portray something it's not.
Speculator
BioWare Austin
Yep, the scene with Santos' girlfriend and Clark served to reinforce Batman's unshakable resolve with her quote: "A man like that, words don't stop him. You know what stops him, a fist."
I don't think there was any holes in the logic behind the fight. Such as why Superman gives up trying to explain what's going on, why the great detective is unwilling to listen, or why Batman gives pause when Superman starts yelling about Martha seconds before he's going to die. All of that was built throughout the movie. I think the problem, for a lot of people, is that both characters were presented poorly to hit that payoff. Superman fans have to sit and watch while some punk in a metal suit slaps around one of the most powerful characters in the DC universe. At the same time, Batman fans are watching one of the smartest characters in the DC universe not using his intelligence and then buckle under the pressure of mommy issues.
While I really like BvS the title fight was a huge letdown because of that. Cool action sequence but ended with me going, "hmm." Which is the exact reaction I had to the beginning sequence in Civil War.
While I really like BvS the title fight was a huge letdown because of that. Cool action sequence but ended with me going, "hmm." Which is the exact reaction I had to the beginning sequence in Civil War.
Can we also add this is only the second time Superman's been in an actual fight. All dude knows is throwing people through buildings.
There's no reason why Superman doesn't tell Batman the full extent of Luthor's plan during the fight, other than Superman getting pissed. That's basically it, he gets mad and decides he wants to push Batman around instead of urgently save his mother.
I get the feeling that Snyder just wanted a car chase with explosions, and didn't really care what getting there would do to the characters.
I get the feeling that Snyder just wanted a car chase with explosions, and didn't really care what getting there would do to the characters.
MrCompletely
Member
Maybe I missed this, but how does Lex find out Supes identity as Clark, and hence, become enabled to kidnap Martha, and also use Lois as bait in Africa??
It's not explained in the movie but considering how easily Lois figured it out in MoS Lex would have had zero issue putting it together. Especially with Lois constantly hanging around him.
The Jackdog
Member
After not seeing this in theaters, sitting down for the full three hours...
man, what an overcomplicated mess of a plot.
man, what an overcomplicated mess of a plot.
The Jackdog
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F4759XtejU
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