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[Vyse The Legend]

I hated the theater cut (2/10) for it was a largely incoherent, poorly paced, terribly written mess.

The UC is significantly better, boosting my overall score to a 6/10. There are still plenty of nonsensical, contrived plot points/moments, but the film is no longer an outright disaster. I'm now interested in Justice League.

 

[LewieP]

I watched this movie and wow it is bad. I keep thinking of all the different ways it is bad or doesn't really make sense or is just needlessly confusing.

It was a real mistake to not do a standalone Batman movie with Affleck first.

Also to have so much of the plot, character's motivations and access to information be so ambiguous.

What a confused mess of a movie.

It's a shame because their are good elements, I think quite a lot of the cast are decent, but the material and direction just let it down.

Why did they try to turn Luthor into Joker? Their was flashes of a good Luthor in their, but most of the time he was just being inexplicably wacky.

Why did Batman murder a load of henchmen?

Why did they shoehorn WW and The Flash in so badly instead of introducing them in their own movies?

What on earth was that dream sequence about?

I need to stop because there are so many questions of why they did a dumb thing with this movie.

 

[Last Hearth]

He's not judging Supes based on what he is, he's judging based on what he could be. He's terrified of it, much the same way Luthor is. He just has the ability to have the moment of clarity to overcome it, whereas Luthor is too far gone.

But the question is if months of watching Superman saving people can't convince him, how does learning his mother's name suddenly change Batman's mind?

 

[LosDaddie]

It's primarily his revenge against the senator for blocking his import license on the kryptonite. also just to troll superman even further and stoke the fire in bruce wayne.

And stop Superman from explaining Africa I believe. If Superman and Senator come to an understanding then and there on how things will proceed in future, everything Lex wants sort of dies out.

Both. Add to that
- Avoid the truth about Africa being revealed
- Get revenge on the senator
- Lower Superman's morale
- Unsuspectingly kill Mercy (She knew too much)

It was pretty brutal. A master stoke.

It's just seems like a very bad plan to get the public to turn against Superman. The public knows, or at least has an idea of, how powerful Superman is. So why would he bomb the US capital?

And then there's the new scene of Superman helping the rescue effort. I don't see how the public would turn on him after seeing that.

I dunno....other than shock value, the whole event really stuck out to me on this viewing.

 

[Discotheque]

Of course he wouldn't bomb the capital. But the fact that he didn't save any of those people and he's the only one who comes out unscathed looks bad. Regardless of him bringing a few people to stretchers. With such impulsive public perception an image of a completely unscratched superman among charred remains looks like crap. And that was his big shot at letting him explain his actions too. It all got shitted on by the bombing.

Plus lex was taking care of a few other variables there no doubt.

 

[IconGrist]

I think a few of you are missing a line Lois says. "Everywhere Superman goes Luthor wants death." It's not about pointing blame at Superman exactly but associating Superman with tragedy. Then let the people come up with their own ideas because fear and uncertainty will do far more harm to Superman's reputation than Luthor ever could on his own.

 

[aBarreras]

It's just seems like a very bad plan to get the public to turn against Superman. The public knows, or at least has an idea of, how powerful Superman is. So why would he bomb the US capital?

And then there's the new scene of Superman helping the rescue effort. I don't see how the public would turn on him after seeing that.

I dunno....other than shock value, the whole event really stuck out to me on this viewing.

they know how powerful superman is, and yet, he couldnt avoid the explosion, or he didnt wanted to avoid the explosion, on both cases, superman looks bad, because he isnt as powerful or he isnt as benevolent

 

[bob_arctor]

they know how powerful superman is, and yet, he couldnt avoid the explosion, or he didnt wanted to avoid the explosion, on both cases, superman looks bad, because he isnt as powerful or he isnt as benevolent

Like this, you mean:

I figured out way back if God is all-powerful, He cannot be all good. And if He is all good, then He cannot be all-powerful. And neither can you be.

 

[Imbarkus]

Routhman killed everyone besides Lex and his girl on the kryptonite island.

That means Routhman killed Kumar.

 

[Ahasverus]

It's just seems like a very bad plan to get the public to turn against Superman. The public knows, or at least has an idea of, how powerful Superman is. So why would he bomb the US capital?

And then there's the new scene of Superman helping the rescue effort. I don't see how the public would turn on him after seeing that.

I dunno....other than shock value, the whole event really stuck out to me on this viewing.

You saw the right wing anchors saying stuff like "there's no proof he wasn't an accomplice" I'd say it's very similar to how our world would react. You know, facts are secondary to fear. That's Luthor's plan.

 

[aBarreras]

Like this, you mean:

YES

 

[KahooTs]

eh

 

[neojubei]

Watching Superman Returns again and i have to admit the airplane rescue in the beginning of the movie is far better than anything in batman v superman.

 

[Discotheque]

Watching Superman Returns again and i have to admit the airplane rescue in the beginning of the movie is far better than anything in batman v superman.

I like the metropolis scene through the ground level perspective in this more (than any comic action scene this year too tbh). But in terms of superman sequences id say the plane scene is his best ever.

 

[neojubei]

I like the metropolis scene through the ground level perspective in this more (than any comic action scene this year too tbh). But in terms of superman sequences id say the plane scene is his best ever.

Every time i watch that scene i wish it was batman v superman. BvS should have started with superman doing something superhuman and heroic. I dont why BvS have to be so bleak, depressing and bad.

 

[Bleepey]

Am I the only person who reads more of the arguments surrounding this movie, think the movie holds up to scrutiny?

 

[JB1981]

Every time i watch that scene i wish it was batman v superman. BvS should have started with superman doing something superhuman and heroic. I dont why BvS have to be so bleak, depressing and bad.

I agree that the ponderous, reflective sequence with the talking heads arguing over Superman's place in our world could have been a good opportunity to lighten things up and show him saving people around the world.

Ummm @ bleepey, yes.

 

[Ahasverus]

Am I the only person who reads more of the arguments surrounding this movie, think the movie holds up to scrutiny?

Incredibly so. You'd guess that with people over analyzing every piece of dialogue and scene it would be shambled in pieces already, but it doesn't. Terrio da gawd?

 

[shoreu]

Watching Superman Returns again and i have to admit the airplane rescue in the beginning of the movie is far better than anything in batman v superman.

I like the jesus scene during the flood. Its so good. The woman is so broken. But he brings hope so much hope it breaks her down

 

[neojubei]

I like the jesus scene during the flood. Its so good. The woman is so broken. But he brings hope so much hope it breaks her down

Do you mean the scene of the woman on the roof with he superman "S" painted on it and superman floating up looking at her with the expression of "this woman is gonna drown" on his face.

It would be cool if something dubbed over the whole movie with funny dialogue.

 

[Discotheque]

Do you mean the scene of the woman on the roof with he superman "S" painted on it and superman floating up looking at her with the expression of "this woman is gonna drown" on his face.

lol please, you can't even see his face in that shot. don't get me wrong though, I'm not like freakin Bleepey or Ahasverus, I don't find this movie flawless on the writing perspective haha. But it's best not to make up problems either.

 

[CloudyTuba]

I hated the theater cut (2/10) for it was a largely incoherent, poorly paced, terribly written mess.

The UC is significantly better, boosting my overall score to a 6/10. There are still plenty of nonsensical, contrived plot points/moments, but the film is no longer an outright disaster. I'm now interested in Justice League.

That's kind of how I feel about it too but I didn't raise my score quite so much. From 3/10 up to 5.5/10.

Still an F, but a more regular kind of fail than a complete insult. I might get it for $7 when it's on sale for Black Friday just for the Doomsday fight because I like Doomsday. Edit: Oh and for the Arkham-styled fight scene.

 

[Ashhong]

Seriously contemplating getting the BD Steelbook of this because the regular covers are fucking hideous.

Like seriously compare



to



or god have mercy on somebody forking out the extra dosh for this



*vomits*

Dammit I still dont understand how the cover will be reversible. for the steelbook. I mean, it's definitely not just front Batman back Superman. Can a steelbook be turned inside out?

 

[Arment]

I watched the Ultimate cut over two nights.

The first half was very slow. I was a little worried and I ended it right after the Batman chase scene. The second half was pretty damn good and I found myself eagerly anticipating the next iteration afterward.

Ultimately, I enjoyed it. I think the movie suffered from having literally no joyfulness and it was kind of a slog to watch. I'm glad I broke it up over two nights, though.

 

[aBarreras]

I watched the Ultimate cut over two nights.

The first half was very slow. I was a little worried and I ended it right after the Batman chase scene. The second half was pretty damn good and I found myself eagerly anticipating the next iteration afterward.

Ultimately, I enjoyed it. I think the movie suffered from having literally no joyfulness and it was kind of a slog to watch. I'm glad I broke it up over two nights, though.

i did this too, but i stopped after superman exiles himself after the capitol explosion, it gave a "to be continued" feel

 

[Bleepey]

lol please, you can't even see his face in that shot. don't get me wrong though, I'm not like freakin Bleepey or Ahasverus, I don't find this movie flawless on the writing perspective haha. But it's best not to make up problems either.

I don't think the movie's flawless, I just think the movie was and still is harshly judged. Especially when you compare it to Civil War. I don't have to bring Civil War down to build BVS up, that said when you read complaints about Wonder Woman's cameo being tacked on yet a circle jerk over Spider-man. Oh and whilst we are at it, how about Iron Man flying across continents to bring a 16 year to fight Super soldiers, Zemo being kinda omniscient with regards to knowing Cap and iron Man would feel differently about registration. The movie would be a lot shorter if Cap and Tony were either like let's sign this shit or both were like "nah we'll ignore it". At least with BVS, Lex was having both people monitored and that's how he knew how both sides felt and exploited it. That said with any movie you could find plotholes if you think hard enough.

 

[KahooTs]

Am I the only person who reads more of the arguments surrounding this movie, think the movie holds up to scrutiny?

I'd agree, but after 3 hours it all should have been made more clear and been more rewarding when understood.

 

[Ahasverus]

I mean yeah those 3 hours could have been spent better (less talking, more action, but then you could say the importance given to characters over their powers puts the movie apart from its piers) but what was presented was not inherently broken*

*Except in the theatrical cut. Fuck the tc.

 

[Discotheque]

I watched the Ultimate cut over two nights.

The first half was very slow. I was a little worried and I ended it right after the Batman chase scene. The second half was pretty damn good and I found myself eagerly anticipating the next iteration afterward.

Ultimately, I enjoyed it. I think the movie suffered from having literally no joyfulness and it was kind of a slog to watch. I'm glad I broke it up over two nights, though.

putting this cut in theaters with an intermission would have been dope. i wish 3 hour movies went with intermissions honestly.

what separates this from another big blockbuster epic like LOTR is that those films had stuff like the hobbits and gimli to bring levity to some scenes.. this could have gone a long way with a bit more of a joyful tone. the way it is right now makes for a fairly poorly paced film to get through.

 

[LosDaddie]

Of course he wouldn't bomb the capital. But the fact that he didn't save any of those people and he's the only one who comes out unscathed looks bad. Regardless of him bringing a few people to stretchers. With such impulsive public perception an image of a completely unscratched superman among charred remains looks like crap. And that was his big shot at letting him explain his actions too. It all got shitted on by the bombing.

Plus lex was taking care of a few other variables there no doubt.

they know how powerful superman is, and yet, he couldnt avoid the explosion, or he didnt wanted to avoid the explosion, on both cases, superman looks bad, because he isnt as powerful or he isnt as benevolent

Like this, you mean:

You saw the right wing anchors saying stuff like "there's no proof he wasn't an accomplice" I'd say it's very similar to how our world would react. You know, facts are secondary to fear. That's Luthor's plan.

I guess the movie was just 2 Deep 4 Me.

Besides the Martha scene, this one really stuck out to me this time.
/shrug

 

[Bleepey]

Why are people complaining about the film being too dour? Sure it's not the Tony Stark comedy fest and Batman isn't funny unless it's related to how serious he is regarding something. Suicide Squad looks all kinds of fun, that said I don't mind Batman being very serious.

I guess the movie was just 2 Deep 4 Me.

Besides the Martha scene, this one really stuck out to me this time.
/shrug

Think of it this way, look at how public opinion turned against the Avengers for their Africa incident. I know some people may think Civil War is everything BVS did but done better but IMO I think it's BVS being judged more harshly.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

This cut was so much better than the TC, it's not even funny.

Thoroughly enjoyed myself this time around and am looking forward to WW and JL.

 

[bob_arctor]

I guess the movie was just 2 Deep 4 Me.

Besides the Martha scene, this one really stuck out to me this time.
/shrug

Nah, it's not that deep. The general public is fickle and easily swayed. Lex was playing on that--with the help of the media, of course.

 

[guek]

Am I the only person who reads more of the arguments surrounding this movie, think the movie holds up to scrutiny?

Depends on what you mean by holding up. BvS has more flaws than it should, it's hard for me to agree with anyone who believes otherwise. That said, the UC is a mostly competent movie but so is Thor TDW. I don't think either are as horrible as people like to make them out to be.


The TC is still pretty bad though.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

Zemo being kinda omniscient with regards to knowing Cap and iron Man would feel differently about registration. The movie would be a lot shorter if Cap and Tony were either like let's sign this shit or both were like "nah we'll ignore it".

You had many posts in response that debunked this. I don't know how you mixed up the registration with Zemo's plan when they have nothing to do with each other.

 

[Ahasverus]

Depends on what you mean by holding up. BvS has more flaws than it should, it's hard for me to agree with anyone who believes otherwise. That said, the UC is a mostly competent movie but so is Thor TDW. I don't think either are as horrible as people like to make them out to be.

The TC is still pretty bad though.

That's why I like Thor 2. It is what it is.

BvS is a piece of cinema though (flawed as it is), it's not a super hero movie at its core. For better or worse.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Just watched the Ultimate Cut and it kind of baffles me a lot of these scenes were cut. Still doesn't make the movie great, but it goes from a 6/10 to a 7-7.5/10 for me. If it was up to me, I would have left in just about everything related to Lex's plan along with a few other snippets (like Superman flying people out of the Capitol) and cut out 30 minutes from elsewhere (Batmonster dream scene, Jonathan Kent talk, Flash's confusing thing, trimmed the Darkside future down, little news clips from here and there, other odds and ends including some of the stuff that wasn't in the TC).

 

[Bleepey]

You had many posts in response that debunked this. I don't know how you mixed up the registration with Zemo's plan when they have nothing to do with each other.

Zemo said at the end that tearing the Avenger's apart was all a part of his plan. However he had no way of knowing the Avenger's would feel differently about it.

 

[guek]

That's why I like Thor 2. It is what it is.

BvS is a piece of cinema though (flawed as it is), it's not a super hero movie at its core. For better or worse.

I will say this much, BvS definitely blows TDW out of the water in terms of ambition. It's highs are higher but the lows are lower for me.

 

[shoreu]

Do you mean the scene of the woman on the roof with he superman "S" painted on it and superman floating up looking at her with the expression of "this woman is gonna drown" on his face.

It would be cool if something dubbed over the whole movie with funny dialogue.

Yeah I liked that part it was a nice moment

 

[Kibbles]

What exactly makes this R-Rated?

 

[Azazzel]

Routhman killed everyone besides Lex and his girl on the kryptonite island.

A proper Superman.

 

[i3allistic]

just finished watching the extended cut from VUDU, i enjoyed it alot ....i do agree with some it a bit too long, but i guess they have to setup for the DC universe ....can't wait for whats too come

 

[Ahasverus]

What exactly makes this R-Rated?

Read the OP

I will say this much, BvS definitely blows TDW out of the water in terms of ambition. It's highs are higher but the lows are lower for me.

No lies detected.

 

[IconGrist]

The very idea of people with super powers and trying to fit that in with a real world aesthetic will always fall victim to scrutiny. Especially with someone like Superman who basically has a power to solve almost any given problem. Some shit you just have to let go. There are legit criticisms to be had though.

 

[Valkerionseven]

Still bothers me they killed off Mercy partly because of them casting an actress I like, but completely wasting her as simple eye candy/the lady who walks in before someone else in most scenes. Only has like one line. Always my biggest gripe about these hero movies, don't plop characters in if your not going to use them and don't kill them off for no reason, which happens to most villains.

Unless they are going the more nonsense Mercy story line where she's an android or robot... which I 100% doubt.

Also means we won't get one of my favorite nonsense moments from the animated universe, Mercy vs. Harley Quinn while Joker and Lex are talking lol.

 

[broncobuster]

What exactly makes this R-Rated?

MPAA is picky about how violent violence can be. Ratings in other countries largely remained the same as theatrical.

 

[shoreu]

Still bothers me they killed off Mercy partly because of them casting an actress I like, but completely wasting her as simple eye candy/the lady who walks in before someone else in most scenes. Only has like one line. Always my biggest gripe about these hero movies, don't plop characters in if your not going to use them and don't kill them off for no reason, which happens to most villains.

Unless they are going the more nonsense Mercy story line where she's an android or robot... which I 100% doubt.

Also means we won't get one of my favorite nonsense moments from the animated universe, Mercy vs. Harley Quinn while Joker and Lex are talking lol.

Mercy is totally coming back. She's gonna luthors bodyguard

 

[Shaanyboi]

Mercy is totally coming back. She's gonna luthors bodyguard

If they seemingly had no qualms about blowing a hole through Jimmy Olson's head right at the start, I have serious doubts Mercy is coming back.

 

[shoreu]

If they seemingly had no qualms about blowing a hole through Jimmy Olson's head right at the start, I have serious doubts Mercy is coming back.

I think this is how she becomes a robot. It would totally make sense. We think she's dead then she just up and appears in the next superman movie all fine.