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Batman vs Superman: World's Finest Three-Year Wait
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Razgriz-Specter
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If they establish them well within a Batman movie though you could have a separate franchise just for them.
If Dick was done well enough in this continuity you could basically have an entire separate movie that people would want to go see.
Nightwing in Under the Red Hood for example, show up have one main scene with Batman. Then people would be really open to Nightwing standalone movie.
(kinda like how nobody really cared about the Hulk movies until after Avengers then everyone wanted another)
You could stick Barbara/Batgirl into a Nightwing movies.(would also give people more Commissioner Gordon)
And potentially have Damian eventually in solo Batman movies.
If they could establish well that it was still a Batman movie without much to any Batman I think it could still do very well.
Would be a great place to use Villains like Deathstroke and Harley.
Eh, wishful thinking.
Major Gripex
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Damian in a movie has so much potential for greatness. To all the gripes about how "Batman is a dark character, hence you can't put a Robin in a movie" would be debunk as Damian could easily translate into a universe with a "dark tone".
And having a Batman franchise with a Nightwing movie spin off would be absolutely brilliant. Unfortunately, it will never happen. I mean for god sakes, the Brothers Warner have yet to give us a flippin' Wonder Woman movie. If they don't have faith in a property they own that is pretty much considered a female icon, I doubt they'd have the balls to make a Nightwing movie.
Then again, we are (hopefully) getting a World's Finest movie, so who knows for certain what the future holds....
Diprosalic
Banned
Somebody should've told Nolan that.
To be fair WB seems to be getting its act together when it comes to adapting its characters. Considering the obvious relaxation of restriction for Arrow between season 1 and season 2, having its own TV universe with Arrow and Flash and adapting things like iZombie, Constantine and Gotham, it seems like they want to get their characters out there. I know it's only TV so far, but it's still a significant step forward. In one of the articles I read last year celebrating Arrow's success, for example, was that WB were looking at the Arrow producers to help them shape the DCU projects going forward and these would be great guys for it.
Also BvS simply needs to happen before we can evaluate WB's direction with DC characters. It is a bit shitty that it is delayed till 2016, but given that this is likely due to the rewrite by Terrio I think we're all gonna agree that it's for the best. WB wants to and absolutely needs to get this movie right. It has to be huge because if it fails then WB will be stuck making C-tier low budget superhero movies for the next few years till they can do another reboot.
Also on Wonderwoman note...I believe Gadot is signed on to appear in solo movies as well.
But establishing them well enough in a Batman movie still means less time for Batman's arc. It puts more of the spotlight on them.
Probably similar to Nite Owl/Rorschach's fighting in Watchmen.
Halcyon
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I kinda want the slow mo. It is what I liked about the Arkham batman combat.
Imagine slo-mo Batman flipping backward throwing some batarangs, but more of a full speed superman flys through and lasers something in the face, cut to full speed batman finishing his acrobatic shit.
It'd be like the avengers scene.
There was very little slow mo in MoS. And I say "very little" because I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure there wasn't any. There will be some zooming though.
I rather like the sound of that.
Most of this is known, but always nice to see at least NEW talk.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2014/03/31/justice-league-movie-taking-shape-at-warner-bros/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2014/03/31/justice-league-movie-taking-shape-at-warner-bros/
Rock as Martian Manhunter? Hmm...Physically, I can see it. But personality-wise, J'onn's whole demeanor is very understated and stoic, and I think the Rock is at his best when he's able to cut loose and be larger than life. It would be an odd casting if that's where they went with it.
They scrapped that scene.
Ninja Scooter
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I do find it strange that WB has had no problems confirming who is playing Luthor, Alfred and WW but won't confirm Rock (or Momoa, though he's not quite as important). Is it possible Rock's role with WB is not even for this movie? I mean if he were playing Green lantern why not just say it? Could that lend credence to the idea that he's playing someone like Lobo, or Bane in a Suicide Squad movie?
It may not be a done deal yet and Rock is jumping the gun on talking about it.
Well may not be in this movie at all
I don't think Rock has hinted that he is in this movie either
Bobby Roberts
Banned
There was none, and it was a conscious decision to not employ it.
He's got his regular cinematographer back for World's Finest though, and some are hoping that means the regular Snyder style will be folded into the visual vocabulary established by Man of Steel.
Yeah all of the Rock's hinting seems to indicate either something for the JLA movie or a solo project. I think we'll hear something concrete come Comic Con.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I really hope it's not Lobo.
Because Lobo is a pile of shit.
Because Lobo is a pile of shit.
Razgriz-Specter
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You could just have a scene like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1oDbh25n5w
He wouldn't need much development beyond that in the Batman story, in the Nightwing movie you could have the flashbacks and such.
and since they have separate cities they wouldn't have to use Nightwing in the future Batman movies if they didn't want to.
They could have Nightwing as a lower budget filler movie. One that reuses sets has more development for characters like Gordon and Alfred, and can also have characters like Batgirl, the Birds of Prey, Red Hood, etc
who would either never have time to be established in standard Batman movies or just wouldn't be done.
It wouldn't do as well as a Batman movie but it wouldn't need to with a lower budget.
WB can't pump out a Batman movie every summer like they would want, so this would be the next best thing.
Marion Cobretti
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Snyder is going to give us not only the first proper version of Batman, but it'll by far be the best version of him action and detective wise.
I'm thinking the typical Snyder/Fong style will lend itself very well to Batman and Gotham.
The Rock is gonna be Green Lantern or Cyborg if he's gonna be anybody. I don't see Lobo making his way into these movies this soon, if ever.
Agreed. I really don't think Batman has been done justice on film quite yet. The detective part always falls off. Nolan gave it a try but it didn't make sense at all. I still don't understand that whole ballistics thing from TDK.
He's bringing back the cinematographer that worked with him on Watchmen, so I expect a similar visual style. I definitely think the docu-style with all the punch-ins and what not of MoS is out the door.
Speaking of the Batnolans, yesterday I did a spontaneous marathon of all three movies(well, almost, I was so bored one hour into TDKR I turned it off). Begins definitely has the worst action, with the extreme close ups and constant cutting you can't see shit, ever. In TDK, you can actually see Batman punching people in the face. Shots are held long enough to a see a full fucking punching motion from the guy. I never really understood why is the action so, well, awful in Begins, until I checked out one of the featurettes in TDK. Seems Nolan didn't like how the Begins suit looked at all, he thought it looked fake and and that the texture and material used was just wrong, so his idea on fixing that was to simply show as little as possible of it.
Which is something I always guessed, to be honest.in Batman psuedo-science world, it was comparing the bullet hole left behind by the Joker's man to a hole made by the same bullet. The difference between the two would be the thumbprint that the henchman would leave as he loads the bullet into the clip.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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I really want some Zack Snyder slo-mo in World's Finest.
Marion Cobretti
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Some info from an interview with the WB CEO... Apparently they're going to announce a film series soon.
http://collider.com/harry-potter-spin-off-trilogy-dc-superheroes-movie-plans
http://collider.com/harry-potter-spin-off-trilogy-dc-superheroes-movie-plans
Ah ok.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Be careful what you wish for!
Why? His slo-mo is fantastic.
Major Gripex
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As an avid Arrow fan, I can say DC is doing an excellent job in their T.V. programing. I mean, compared to Marvel's Agents of Shield, which I've only heard bad things about, it seems DC has found their niche. If this is ground works to build on in the movie universe, then perhaps there really is hope.
Though the Gal Gadot thing is just a contractual deal. Basically, if D.C. wants to put Wonder Woman in a Batman Vs. Superman, Justice League, Wonder Woman, etc, Gal Gadot has an obligation to be in Wonder Woman in those projects. Conversely, DC has no obligation to make those movies.
Honestly what I would have loved was for D.C. to have the foresight to make the Wonder Woman movie first then come out with the BvS movie. But whatever... hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.
Your totally entitled to your opinion, but can I ask why you think that? I don't read comics much, but I definitely keep up with the lore. And I love the DC animated shows/movies and I was really impressed with Lobo in Young Justice and Injustice.
Lobo is the only character the Rock should play. I feel he isn't cerebral enough to pull off J'onn, would make an okay John Stewart but I don't think audiences are ready for another GL just yet, and would make an excellent Black Adam but wouldn't be doing the character justice without including Captain Marvel/Shazam.
He has the over the top demeanor that is required for a faithful performance without being too campy.
In the Man of Steel universe, it's already established that aliens exist. Introducing Lobo could serve as a plot device and provide background and establish there are other races out there.
When I heard that Dwayne Johnson was going to be in the DCMU, the first person I thought of was Lobo. I imagined that Man of Steel 2 opened with a fight sequence between Lobo and Superman. They could be fighting because Supes has a bounty on his head, and it could serve to further a theme of fear that some citizens have of him. Hence, this leaves room for Lex Luther to play a major role in being a public activist against the Man of Steel and distorting the public perception of him to further his own agenda.
Alright I'm moving into borderline fan fiction territory. So I'll just say I really hope that Lobo is the role that the Rock will play. Realistically, he'll more likely play a hero. If I was a betting man, I'd say he's probably going to play Green Lantern.
Not sure if serious or not. But I agree. I felt like the original Man of Steel could have highly benefited from some slow-motion. There are a lot of fighting scenes that go under appreciated because they go way to fast for people to notice how visually stunning the choreography is.
Marion Cobretti
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Man of Steel had almost no night time stuff going on, I'm pretty sure this next movie is gonna have plenty of night time stuff going on. I wonder how this will affect the tone of the story, and feel/look of the movie.
Ninja Scooter
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That gif is what a 12 year old me thought Mortal Kombat would look like in 2014.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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If it's anything like Watchmen, then the look and feel of the night time will be great.
There are a lot of fighting scenes that go under appreciated because they go way to fast for people to notice how visually stunning the choreography is.
That gif is the perfect example. I didn't notice all of the hand to hand combat that went on during that scene.
Messypandas
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Its going to be awesome seeing Superman fly over Gotham
TheRealTalker
Banned
hey guys
Am I the only one that would like for them to make Superman have his new 52 costume rather then the man of steel one for the new Batman vs Superman movie
Am I the only one that would like for them to make Superman have his new 52 costume rather then the man of steel one for the new Batman vs Superman movie
lovely ladies
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I think Nolan was trying to ape the Bourne shaky cam action style which was all the rage at that time but he wasn't skilled enough to pull it off, still isn't actually. I love Nolan but he's pretty terrible at directing hand to hand dynamic fight scenes.He's bringing back the cinematographer that worked with him on Watchmen, so I expect a similar visual style. I definitely think the docu-style with all the punch-ins and what not of MoS is out the door.
Speaking of the Batnolans, yesterday I did a spontaneous marathon of all three movies(well, almost, I was so bored one hour into TDKR I turned it off). Begins definitely has the worst action, with the extreme close ups and constant cutting you can't see shit, ever. In TDK, you can actually see Batman punching people in the face. Shots are held long enough to a see a full fucking punching motion from the guy. I never really understood why is the action so, well, awful in Begins, until I checked out one of the featurettes in TDK. Seems Nolan didn't like how the Begins suit looked at all, he thought it looked fake and and that the texture and material used was just wrong, so his idea on fixing that was to simply show as little as possible of it.
Marion Cobretti
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Snyder Batman is gonna be the baddest mother of all time. We're gonna need new word to describe how insanely awesome he is.
HYPE.
HYPE.
kunonabi
Member
Both of them are shit so it doesnt really matter. I really dont expect any significant improvements but they should shorten the cape at the very least.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Even though the new 52 costume isn't highly praised I'd rather have that then chest hair dark suit we got with the man of steel
Also for Batman's costume they should go for the Mask that covers his chin
like this one
I really don't want a batman with a double chin always showing
Messypandas
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will clarks massive bicycle be returning is the real question
Snyders face
Razgriz-Specter
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I hope so,
They will really push Batman over the top to sell him fighting next to Superman.
so its not that much of a longshot.
Im ready for:
Crazy gadgets
Vanishing
Good mobility
Turned up intelligence
Unrealistic punch and batarang strength
And knowing Snyder...
At least one shadow/silhouette of Batman as a Bat.
lovely ladies
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Haven't given it much thought but the guard over the chin is actually a good idea, lol.Even though the new 52 costume isn't highly praised I'd rather have that then chest hair dark suit we got with the man of steel
Also for Batman's costume they should go for the Mask that covers his chin
like this one
I really don't want a batman with a double chin always showing
Messypandas
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the MOS suit was incredible. Its put to rest any doubts for the Batfleck design
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Not sure if serious or not. But I agree. I felt like the original Man of Steel could have highly benefited from some slow-motion. There are a lot of fighting scenes that go under appreciated because they go way to fast for people to notice how visually stunning the choreography is.
Man, I love the fights in MoS so much.
I want to rewatch them.
the MOS suit was incredible. Its put to rest any doubts for the Batfleck design
I really love that suit.
I hear they're making some adjustments to it.
TheRealTalker
Banned
having a neck collar would help
agreed I don't need to see the double chin team - mates running around
especially double chin batman
I've already been traumatized by the Arkham games
I hope Henry is making an adjustment. He was too damn big in this movie. All of his movements looked strained as hell and that shot is a great example. If Batman is gonna teach this dude some CQC he needs to be able to move.
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