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Battlefield 3 | Console Community Thread | Pleasant Entertainment
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bean breath
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Nah, those losers don't play to win.
bean breath
Member
I think because his superior skills gained through playing on PS3 really shine through on 360. Remember in Dragon Ball when Goku trained with a weighted turtle shell or weighted clothes or 100X Earth gravity and then when he finally becomes accustomed to the weight, he takes it off and has super speed and reflexes? Well that's exactly what happens when Faceless transitions from PS3 to 360.
When we last played, I think he was still in PS3 mode because he barked this at me over party chat:
"Clear the LZ, Little Bird coming in hot, rendezvous at Charlie, move 5 clicks north east, mortars on Bravo danger close, foot mobiles coming in from south, how copy?"
and man, my head was spinning! I was just left speechless and hesitated, I couldn't process it at all, before I could even react he followed up with:
"You fucking piece of shit! Bean breath, you stupid asshole you just cost us the fucking game! God dammit, are you fucking retarded!? Get the fuck outta my squad!!"
And I was just like, whoa, this is the true Battlefield experience right here. I felt lucky just to get a glimpse, a taste, of Battlefield on PS3.
I've regretted getting a 360 ever since.
He is joking and mocking PS3GAF.
AlmostMilk
Member
Whats so bad about the 360 exactly?
KieferCrimson suicide.
I've done that a couple of times trying to lob a grenade up on the high roofs of Shaqi where the new Little Bird attackers get put the attackers snipers. Whoops.
I hate how the controls are so responsive on the 360.
bean breath
Member
The analog stick placement is too comfortable. Makes 360 FPS players soft.
bean breath
Member
I'm surprised with all that comfort you guys are able to pull out kit items given the terrible right/left d-pad buttons on the 360 pad.
Pulling out kit items and at the same time, unknowingly switching to semi-auto, is not uncommon. Just another reason PS3>360.
I'm surprised you're able to do anything besides that given the terrible everything aside from the d-pad on the ps3 controller.I'm surprised with all that comfort you guys are able to pull out kit items given the terrible right/left d-pad buttons on the 360 pad.
bean breath
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Changing fire modes is an underrated tactic that only skilled players like PS3GAF have the presence of mind to execute effectively. Therefore, forcing it on 360 players, whether they like it or not, is really the only way to get those knuckle-draggers exposed to it.
Dreamgazer
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The problem is while you're watching your lane, how do you know other people are sticking to their job? If everyone were sticking to their job, then yeah I would have absolutely jack shit to say. My motto in BC2 was "if I'm getting the ACE pin then there's something seriously fucking wrong with the team." To put it simply, you can't rely on people to just do their job, CAUSE we never assign people to jobs. We just expect people to do their own thing and hope that wins out. So you don't want to get smoked, mortar, take SPM suicide, that's fine. That's what I choose to do, to watch people's back in case someone isn't doing their job and break the defense. To hole myself in that little corner of bazaar hell room in case I have to do a 4-kill+ disarm shit. Now if you do your job, and I would never have to see any action/grenade/smoke/lvg/320/enemy remotely near a m-com in Rush D, I WOULD BE THE HAPPIEST MAN + LOSER ON EARTH. But nope, that doesn't happen. I guess then we'll just say Rush sucks.
The same is about vehicle. I have never said that everyone need to be a defensive type player, that everyone must ignore vehicles. However, you and I both know that that when asked, 9 out of 10 people are going to say "taking out the vehicle is more important" and they leave the objective behind. If I never had to pull shit like disarming 2-mcoms in front of a tank, take on a whole squad of people by myself, or some other "this should never have happened shit then I wouldn't have to get a heart attack in the first place. I seriously have gaf games where I lone defend and then die to find all my squad mates are so far out that I can't even spawn on them. All I ever freaking as for half of the time is for someone to say "oh hey, maybe 1 or 2 more of us should stay behind /do something different/not have the entire squad in one vehicle".
Now, if you feel there's something wrong about how I do my "job", then please feel free to tell me what my "job" should be.
Cause I obviously missed the job assignment memo.
Maybe I just suck.
The Faceless Master
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everyone knows thats BS cuz i don't curse IRL.
anyway, totally not playing tonight, drunk as hell from this wedding i was at... waaaaay too much vodka.
seriously. that NEVER happens on PS3.
they actually fixed that finally... a year later...
"this is never gonna get disarmed"
*someone disarms it*
who? Dreamgazer. Sekoku. faceless.
take that to the bank.
bean breath
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The Faceless Master
Member
seriously, think about it...
bean breath
Member
You're shattering the image of PS3GAF that I have in my mind.
I rarely use grenades to be honest. Matches are so fast that I only use them to clear out people behind cover rather than directly killing them.
Suicide by grenades is definite comedy gold. I have pulled some "what the fuck did I just do" from time to time.
On another note, I find it hilarious when I'm playing medic/support, most of my squad are almost dead/empty and yet they're in full spartan mode running towards a choke point.
Hold the fuck on man, get healed/supplies fir-
Oh great, you got killed. Bravo.
Your job is to be the last line of defense because that's what you want to do. My job is to cover the toughest lane and rotate based on flow of the match. When I say watch a lane, what I mean is don't watch the same lane I am watching. Otherwise your leaving another lane open. When I say rotate that means check the mini map for dead bodies and rotate to the lane with the closes dead body unless someone else is rotating over there. I just don't like it when people clump up in one spot. Map awareness is really key in defending, attacking, and rotating, and it's really something we should all work on. This is a basic strategy thay everyone should use and the more advance strategies would require me to go map by map, set by set. And I don't feel like doing that now.
Really, do I have to repeat myself? Destruction had to go. Yes, the inconsistant destruction is WTF. Chalk that up to "DICE didn't thinks things through" like I've stated 100+ times in the past. But destruction had to go. The only thing I want back from destruction is having some planned routes. Really, if they allowed some holes in Metro instead of chokepoints with no alt-routes for the attackers, it'd be a much more fun time for attackers/defense than just throwing explosives with no consequences for that explosive action.
Dream said:
DING DING DING DING DING DING. And who has to do play those dedicated roles 99% of the time? Dream, Faceless, and I. No one else wants to help us. No one else wants to play Assault Recon and place beacons down for the team. Who has to heal/revive/throw ammo? Me because despite me begging people for ammo or health, no one does it at times.
Yes? Just see Dream and I hotly debating about destruction. Too many crates are in areas where the defense can hole up around that area and prevent it from being armed, yes, even on vanilla maps like Caspian. Destroy the area around the crate, watch it and no one will get in.
Except if you're playing a "clan" in the first place you're already going to lose if they know to swarm the crate. And *gasp* if they break your line of defense who has to clean-up after you? Dream, Faceless, and I. Who never comes to mop-up unless shit is dire? Most of the rest of GAF at times.
So, basically do what I do and run around the entire map trying to prevent leaks? Huh, you'd think people would do that or spot but they don't seem to do that at times.
You and me both. If I was bottom of the leaderboard camping that bazaar room the whole round, I'd be happy since that means I don't have to dodge grenades to stay in that room to prevent people from getting in.
This is a problem even in Conquest. It isn't Rush exclusive and it drives me bonkers that as soon as I see a flag blinking, I'll rush to that flag to defend or hold onto it to continue to bleed the enemy team (or die [which is often the case] trying) but no one gets it and goes "WELL SHIT, SEKS IS GOING TO THE BLINKING FLAG. MAYBE I SHOULD HELP HIM!?" *nope, let's go attack and attack and attack and try to base rape lolz!*
Hahaha, that high-rank clan that gave me high-blood pressure and a FUCK YOU 0 ticket disarm with them putting me into 10% health left as I'm disarming is still THE moment of BF3 for me.
I had a long ass rant here but I chopped it off because this thread goes into drama cycles and I really don't want to do that but suffice it say: I've noticed a huge decrease in people doing what they were doing in BC2 with the change to BF3. This isn't even Rush exclusive, this also counts on Conquest. So...
You really should always use your grenades. Either to find an enemy, move and enemy from a defensive position(head glitch spot), or clear out a room.
Most randoms will go down the same choke point regardless of how many times they died there.
Who do play with that doesn't do this? The GAF regulars revive/heal/throw ammo all the time. I know I do these things regardless if someone asks me or not.
Like I said attackers have the advantage in rush and sometimes they get pass the line. If there was an absolute defense than everyone would use it. Mistakes happen and defenders are punished more for them than attackers are.
I do it every time and I can't control randoms.
Would you rather have the whole team go to the blinking flag and realize there was only 1-2 people there while the rest of the enemies team took the majority of flags? It's a balance thing and that's why I said press the pause button and look at how many of your teammates go to said flag before you go. Metro for example if my team is holding A and B and they get to A not more than half the team should go to A otherwise you leave B undefended. If they cap B they will have the defensive position and majority of flags against you.
You should post your rant as long as its constructive because it will help people fix mistakes they are making.
Maybe because this is BF3 and not BC2. Two different games with two different set of mechanics.
THN: Don't bother, because I've already stated my piece and I'm not going to wade into this further. And I'm not going to name names because this is a situational/systematic issue more than specific players. Even I myself at times don't throw kit items out and I really do need to kick myself in the back of the head to do it more often.
(But like Keifer said: there's times where you can see someone that needs healing, throw a kit out and they don't even bother to stay behind. People don't pay attention the mini-map or situations at times. Ugh.)
(But like Keifer said: there's times where you can see someone that needs healing, throw a kit out and they don't even bother to stay behind. People don't pay attention the mini-map or situations at times. Ugh.)
The Faceless Master
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yeah, several people will play assault recon and place beacons. like olimpia. but ammo and medkits... damn!
i'm always dropping ammo, and medkits if they're equipped.
Olimpia started to come around to Recon only after Dream and I praised the fact that the class is more useful than most people give it credit for. People really do need to appreciate people that place beacons in out of the way/stealth insertion areas and place sensors near the objectives to give a proper heads up. But if I'm not playing recon, I can't count on Olimpia to spawn at the start to do it and give me a heads up. Which leaves most of the rest of GAF that never spawns as recon to give the team a heads up and well... how am I supposed to know where people are at times?
But really the bigger issue isn't the kits/no beacon placement: It's more that people don't change as situation dictates and rush back to the battlefield with a class that's already swamped and doesn't need to be used (too many engineers? Spawn as an engineer because a tank is around! Oh, I don't want to play support/medic despite people really needing the health/ammo!)
Once again: Balance is more important than class choice/objectives/whatever. A properly balanced and well-oiled team will generally answer most situations with the exception of swarm tactics. Which I have yet to find a proper answer for outside of "well, shit, the crate/flag is lost and no one will come and help me beat them back. *content with loss*"
Along with Situational Awareness. Tank is in a building and hasseling your team? No one is hitting it with engineer rockets? Spawn as engineer/C4 support and try to take it out if possible. The buff to tanks with smoke counter-measures for Javelin's have made this much harder to counter by yourself than general (and there's times where engineers will be behind the tank repairing it even if five people are RPG'ing it. Shit, I had that happen to my tanks in BC2 at times and still held up. DICE really should look at these extreme situations and answer how they want those to play out. Engineer train on a tank should be an auto-win? Nope. We should limit repairs or...)
and now seriously: I'm done talking about this. Anything I've stated is something I stated in BC2. So...
But really the bigger issue isn't the kits/no beacon placement: It's more that people don't change as situation dictates and rush back to the battlefield with a class that's already swamped and doesn't need to be used (too many engineers? Spawn as an engineer because a tank is around! Oh, I don't want to play support/medic despite people really needing the health/ammo!)
Once again: Balance is more important than class choice/objectives/whatever. A properly balanced and well-oiled team will generally answer most situations with the exception of swarm tactics. Which I have yet to find a proper answer for outside of "well, shit, the crate/flag is lost and no one will come and help me beat them back. *content with loss*"
Along with Situational Awareness. Tank is in a building and hasseling your team? No one is hitting it with engineer rockets? Spawn as engineer/C4 support and try to take it out if possible. The buff to tanks with smoke counter-measures for Javelin's have made this much harder to counter by yourself than general (and there's times where engineers will be behind the tank repairing it even if five people are RPG'ing it. Shit, I had that happen to my tanks in BC2 at times and still held up. DICE really should look at these extreme situations and answer how they want those to play out. Engineer train on a tank should be an auto-win? Nope. We should limit repairs or...)
and now seriously: I'm done talking about this. Anything I've stated is something I stated in BC2. So...
I remember seeing Olimpia play Recon a lot on BC2 with the Saiga. I never saw him as an Assault guy or Engineer guy, he always changed classes a lot, this is not new.
I bought a TV, seems it is arriving in 10 days.
I'll be back.
I guess they only play recon when I'm playing than. Because every time I play with GAF on seine/bazaar rush D I get 2-3 recons in my squad. You can know where your squad is at by pressing the pause button and looking at the large map.
You should play with me more often. Ill always throw down the kit items if I see the symbols or not. Shit you should play with GAF more in general really. I always see you playing by yourself like today. Dan, and bkak love to play rush and I'm sure if you invited them they would of joined you.
I remember seeing Olimpia play Recon a lot on BC2 with the Saiga. I never saw him as an Assault guy or Engineer guy, he always changed classes a lot, this is not new.
I bought a TV, seems it is arriving in 10 days.
I'll be back.
Best news I've heard today. Can't wait for you to come back man.
The Faceless Master
Member
what happened, went up against an AMTRAK death squad team of 6 engineers, 5 medics and a support?
Nah, it's in response to what TheSeks said about Engineer trains.
True, but he didn't play a lot of it before Dream and I started to talk about the potential of the class in BF3. Either because he had to unlock the all-kit items, or because he didn't know the T-UGS/MAV/SOFLAM uses along with beacon placement and all that. But he came around and uses it. Which is a bit more than some of GAF at times.
I mean it's great that you're playing a class and kicking ass but if I'm not dead and someone (read: team) needs to be healed... why the hell would you assume someone will do it? Esp. if there's no medikits being thrown around?
No, he's talking about my comment about engineer trains on vehicles. 5 engineers behind one vehicle (or hell 2-3) is more than enough to stop engineer threats unless the whole team goes engineer which then unbalances the infantry make-up to where no one is around to revive/heal/resupply said engineers.
The Faceless Master
Member
haha i remember the whole "would you rather have a recon or a medic by your side" argument...
well, if they have a driver and 3 dudes repairing and you have ... what, 1-2 guys shooting them ... why should they lose?
Exactly, and there's no counter to out-pace the repair damage since 2-3 engineer triples the speed of repair to where tanks with engineers behind them are near unstoppable. Countering it with a mortar would be useful... if the mortar was more useful than a wet-fart.
The Faceless Master
Member
countering with a mortar can help because it hurts the engineers. of course, you have to actually have a mortar and enough obstacles between you and the other team so you don't get hit while you're on it.
Yes, but if the tank/engineers move they just get away from the damage. Again: Wet-fart mortar. The nerf for it has made it infinitely less useful than it should be, and I say this as someone that has had to pop the ass of a tank the enemy stole from us about 3-4 times with just the mortar already. It's not really a viable counter for engineer trains.
They shouldn't punish a team for using teamwork. Who would of knew teamwork is OP.
So what exactly is the problem? I just want to be clear, are you saying there should be a way to kill a tank with 2-3 people repairing it with just 2 engineers?
There are counters for everything in the game and its call TEAMWORK. The same exact thing the engineer train is doing. If the other team is gonna dedicate 5 players on a tank than your team should dedicate 5+ players on taking it out. Now if your looking for a solo solution on stopping a tank with an engineer train going on than your only chance is c4 but the percentage for that is very low depending on the situation.
The problem is you can disable a tank by yourself only for two engineers to suddenly top it back to 100% with none of them (engineers/tank) moving into cover. I wouldn't be so pissed if my harassing them got them to MOVE instead of sitting there soaking up damage because they have 2 engineers repairing them.
Basically I want an effect for my causes.
Yeah it sucks, one time I got lucky on seine crossing. RU tank trying to take A and he he had 2 repair guys repairing him from behind while they slow played it against some other engineers. So I spawned at C which got me in the C-A room with the stairs. And I jumped down killed the two repair guys stole one of their kits and repaired tooled him. It felt so good.
But it just depends on the situation like I said. You got to set up traps if your by yourself. Like let him take the flag but hide somewhere he ain't expecting. But If he or his teammates has proximity than your screwed. Taking out tanks solo is not recommended unless said driver is solo.