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Battlefield 4 |OT| Prepare to Leave Beta... Nevermind
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Yeah, it's one of those hidden feature things to see like the commander for tatical but no one uses it. We just want to get back to the action. The map could be shrunk down and the menu be WASD'd like BF3's and nothing of value would be lost. :/
BR lags and arms the bomb once, but we still win
That chat lag though. A good five minutes before all the text would fly up.
SLIM v3n0m
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I have a noob question: I have a stock pile of Battlepacks that I haven't used and I'm going to start using them. Should I open them all at once, or one by one?
The reason I'm asking is because I opened a couple of bronze ones and they both had 25% XP boosts for an hour of multiplayer... So does that mean that I now get 2 hours of boost? Or did I just waste one?
The reason I'm asking is because I opened a couple of bronze ones and they both had 25% XP boosts for an hour of multiplayer... So does that mean that I now get 2 hours of boost? Or did I just waste one?
Mike_Hawk689
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Don't worry you didnt lose any boost. They won't activate until you do them through the pause menu in-game.
Good lord, how? Consider me extremely disappointed. Pre-nerf in BF3 it was my fav gun.
It was nerfed beyond use in BF3. Basically we were left with a gun that wanted to be an AEK but did everything worse. There was no point to it other than it looking cool.
SLIM v3n0m
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Ah, thanks!
Just take it slow and you won't run into many tanks because they spawn when you reach certain spots.
Died at first too, but when I took it sloe it was just 1-2 tanks at a time.
Oh yeah, it is severely outclassed by so many weapons without one redeeming point. But better start name calling, really forgot why I didn't already ignore you after your PSP2 and PS+ bullshit.
BigJonsson
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Finally got the gunner bug........ugh
M.W.
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Thought this was kind of funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7feYv1n-xcw
Iron sights were good. In close-quarters like Metro it rolls over the AEK anyday.
It's basically an "sub-machine gun" in assault rifle clothing. I found it HIGHLY more mobile than the other assault rifles but had range issues in BF3.
nampad said:
Not my fault you can't hit the broadside of a barn with the starting LMG. Even when it's "outclassed" it still is a decent weapon. Get good and all that.
Here's the shocking development and why I "insult" you: All the guns are decent and have feel. Even the MTAR which I find pretty terrible. The MK5 starting LMG is probably the best LMG until you reach the LSAT or QBB-95.
But hey, you probably have me on "ignore" now (thanks for letting me know about that, I laughed a good five minutes at that) and won't get this but whatever. Not that I give a shit. Rock on. *thumbs up*
Which is really all that matters: Who the hell is going to be playing Competitive Battlefield with all the changes DICE does toward making it not "Game Battle"/ESL/whatever friendly.
In fact that brings up a thought: Did anyone even use the in-game tournament organization shit they patched into BF3? I think "pro" players pretty much dropped BF3 after like... that... USA vs the world or whatever tournament like... after Back to Karkand and before the other expansions hit.
Unknown One
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Looking at that, the reload times are slightly slower than the AEK's... which, most people don't have a problem with? I'm not really seeing the issue here?
The only thing that may throw people off is the cone(?) that first image you're showing is. ACE is mostly a straight line and up
while the F2000 is all over the place after the first bullet(?) or burst jump.
Looking at that it seems more wild than BF3's which is weird as BF3's was pretty rock solid after the nerf. Guess I should go to Symthic to see if the cone is different from BF3's.
The only thing that may throw people off is the cone(?) that first image you're showing is. ACE is mostly a straight line and up
and why DICE needs to tweak the control-factor of the ACEs
Looking at that it seems more wild than BF3's which is weird as BF3's was pretty rock solid after the nerf. Guess I should go to Symthic to see if the cone is different from BF3's.
Unknown One
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Ace 23 and M416 has similar recoil patterns actually.
I just looked at the F2000's recoil pattern and unless my tired eyes are playing with me, it seems like DICE made the F2000's BF4 recoil pattern tighter than then BF3 variant.
I think it'll still be a pretty deadly and good gun in the right hands.
M416 kicks up and to the right. ACE kicks... up. That's about it. Very minor pull to the right. Which is why I feel it's too "laser gun" the minor deviance in it's recoil is so minor it doesn't even "feel" there.
Edit: And looking at that image again the L85A2 pulls straight up with like... no deviation in any direction. WTH?
I think it'll still be a pretty deadly and good gun in the right hands.
Crakatak187 said:
M416 kicks up and to the right. ACE kicks... up. That's about it. Very minor pull to the right. Which is why I feel it's too "laser gun" the minor deviance in it's recoil is so minor it doesn't even "feel" there.
Edit: And looking at that image again the L85A2 pulls straight up with like... no deviation in any direction. WTH?
Unknown One
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L85 is similar as well. The 3 guns feels mostly the same. Ace 23 is the middle ground between M416 and L85. Slower reload than the M416 and a bit more recoil than the L85.
F2000's horizontal recoil can't be reduced much at all, so it has limited potential.
F2000's horizontal recoil can't be reduced much at all, so it has limited potential.
Nah. I wouldn't say limited. At range it's obviously going to be out-gunned by the ACE, L85, M416 Assault Rifles, but in close-range like Locker or Metro or Oman's second set? It'll be popping people in the face. I'd even go so far as to say close-to-mid by about... 100-150 meters it'd still be competitive due to the tight 3(?) shot burst before it starts to go wild on the 4-5th (Symthic says 5, but I only see Green/1st, Yellow/2nd, Orange/3rd, Red/4-5th?) shot. So tap-tap-tap it and it'll still do pretty good in those ranges.
Like I said: It seems more an "SMG"/PDW in Assault Rifle clothing for that range of guns.
Iron sights were good. In close-quarters like Metro it rolls over the AEK anyday.
It's basically an "sub-machine gun" in assault rifle clothing. I found it HIGHLY more mobile than the other assault rifles but had range issues in BF3.
Not my fault you can't hit the broadside of a barn with the starting LMG. Even when it's "outclassed" it still is a decent weapon. Get good and all that.
Here's the shocking development and why I "insult" you: All the guns are decent and have feel. Even the MTAR which I find pretty terrible. The MK5 starting LMG is probably the best LMG until you reach the LSAT or QBB-95.
But hey, you probably have me on "ignore" now (thanks for letting me know about that, I laughed a good five minutes at that) and won't get this but whatever. Not that I give a shit. Rock on. *thumbs up*
Which is really all that matters: Who the hell is going to be playing Competitive Battlefield with all the changes DICE does toward making it not "Game Battle"/ESL/whatever friendly.
In fact that brings up a thought: Did anyone even use the in-game tournament organization shit they patched into BF3? I think "pro" players pretty much dropped BF3 after like... that... USA vs the world or whatever tournament like... after Back to Karkand and before the other expansions hit.
They choose not to hit the only viable weapons, and what you get is only the viable weapons.
Its all in my write up pages ago.
Until they hit the 23 everything else is less viable in this scene.
When they do, and depending on how its hit, then you will see deviation.
And yeah, pro scrims still exist in battlefield, i play them. (If you were suggesting they didn't?)
This has been apparent since the guns debut in BF4, i myself have even brought it up multiple times in this very thread and its why the gun is my top played in pubs.
It doesn't make sense and i can stay effective with the gun at over 250m because of it, as well as the fact I'm well versed in how it handles.
Among the other top assault rifles in the game, it benefits extremely well from an angled grip, which only adds to its immense ranged capability.
The other option obviously being the ergo, which it also benefits from quite well depending on the map.
The grip enhancement discussion is something to bring into light as well.
In high level play, there is one grip, this being the ergo.
This is due to the nature of the beast so to speak, just as the red dot (not even necessity, just an added bonus) and silencer are near staple in pro COD (comparing is fine in this case as high level COD play and battlefield play are extremely similar, except COD actually works in this sense and trounces battlefield in every way shape and form in terms of esports as of now)
A good irl friend of mine is extremely well versed in professional COD, so thats where such knowledge comes from, is a sub for a team in the official circuit.
Not that its a big deal in terms of attatchments, but this is something that isn't exactly favorable on terms of a varied high level multiplayer environment, which is something all multiplayer devs want.
I was more suggesting who can take BF seriously with the lack of variety in "pro" play. Like you said a bit back: The ACE and L85(?) are the top two Assault Rifles for "scrim"/pro play. That's mostly because of their recoil and damage than anything, I feel.
It's like "competitive Pokemon," people play that but I just have to scratch my head because it's throwing a lot of variables out (in this case: weapons like the F2000 and other guns that are good in non-Scrim) because the game (BF in this case, though Pokemon in this sentence) just isn't built for that sort of thing (competitive play).
...Though, honestly: I'm not sure how they could make Battlefield competitive in a pro-play way. Classes have too many variables to tweak/tune for that.
Just looked at the BF3 scatter-plot again: L85A2's scatter in BF4 is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy tighter than BF3's. So again: WTH DICE?
I mean in BF3 it was good already. Slow-firing and low recoil so faster firing guns like the FAMAS would beat it, but it was a good controlling gun. Now it's a total laser. WTH?
Unknown One
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Here's the carbines. Sadly no MTAR accuracy points.
Bonus reason why ACE 52 is broken.
I honestly feel that its something they haven't noticed or over looked.
The minute i got it.... I knew something was up with the gun.
100%vertical recoil is a complete joke to control and you can overcome it after a few games. Once i noticed thats all this gun was...
But I'm sure they will say it is outclassed at extreme close range or something and leave it alone lol. Fine with me, i love the damn thing. I have acknowledged the issue and brought it up, theres nothing more i can do lol.
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Ah yes, the lack of variety is a mess indeed.
I have brought up that exact point in my edit, but you got to the post early
I honestly cannot think of a single thing that could make this game work well in terms of high level play, outside of refining its carbon copy of CODs pro scene.
Maybe the police title will surprise us with something (holy shit i have been waiting to bring that up in this thread) in terms of small scale high level play, as i can see a police theme conquest existing lol, yet we know nothing beyond the theme, so we will see I'm sure.
In BF5 maybe we can have a smaller scale conquest pro scene, (not domination) 16 players maximum.
They are at least attempting to create a scene, so i guess well see how it evolves with the next mainline iteration, or even spinoffs.
(I don't count bad company as a spin off, so bad company 3 is included in mainline)
Unknown One
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It's a carbine in name only to me. It's basically an assault rifle for everybody and among the best.
Yep, it is what it is.
I don't know a single person who has picked this up and hasn't been floored by it.
People who aren't even well versed in the game or the weapons in general can feel this thing.
Had a nice "Battlefield Moment" on Lancang Damn Rush with the PDW-R a few weeks ago. That little PDW packs quite the punch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8rgj3RxWWc
Also, feel free to add me on PSN. My PSN is FuriousBearMan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8rgj3RxWWc
Also, feel free to add me on PSN. My PSN is FuriousBearMan.
Unknown One
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Yeah, when I first picked it up I was killing people mid range on full auto. This is without any attachments, and it was literally mowing down 2-3 guys with a single clip.
It has no recoil too which makes it a laser. I think about 20-30 seconds into my video, I tag a guy from 50 meters away with a headshot after a short burst. Having said that, I love using it but I feel slightly bored by it at this point.
The AEK has a better TTK and can more reliably hit your target at all ranges. The better hipfire on the F2000 is mostly irrelevant to be honest and the negatives outweigh the positives. The ADS spread + horizontal recoil kills it.
edit: I probably should have said the F2000 is pointless rather than useless though. It's still better than a lot of ARs, it's just the AEK fills a similar role but does it better in basically every way.
Unknown One
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A weapon can be too good. It's like playing a game without cheats and with it. Once the glamor of cheating is gone you get bored.
Well I sent the request. You can meet the rest of the other PS4 obliteration gaf during normal playtime. Which is 6 pm-11pm PST. Except JM and wes. They are contracted killers.
We try to win most of the time, but we do mess around.
Nothing kills it, which would mean the gun isn't worth using.
Hipfire and ROF can easily make a gun, as is proof with the tar.
In practice, the F2000 can quite easily kill at 150m with proper handle and an angled.
Much more reliably than an aek in my experience.
I use it when i want to stay effective in a small scale environment as well as have kill potential at medium range.
Works well, does what it wants to do, and the other top assault rifles, being the 23 and L85, fill their roles just as well.
Its a tar that has shit reload time and can kill at range that is exclusive to assault, it is what it is.
I have used it a bunch and find it very fitting coming from a 23-52 and L85, it fills a nice niche, that i find a decent use for on maps such as zavod,
Great. I'd be happy to mess with you guys. I'm over here on the East Coast. That time works out perfectly for me.
I find the complete opposite. The AEK's lethal range extends quite a lot further than the F2000's in BF3. The F2000 only stays competitive within 100M imo, but even then the larger ADS spread hurts it compared to the AEK.
As much as I love the ACE 52 I do find it inconsistent against sprinting enemies though. It's the bullet travel speed at work I guess? In CQ I tend to just go with the AK5C instead since I'm more confident that I can drop a moving enemy at around 100M with it.
Since you love the L85 I figure I might as well add my opinion on that too lol. I haven't used it a ton but good lord, I shoot at everything that moves up to 200M which leads to a typically average to mediocre accuracy with most of my guns but I'm over 23% with it as of this post (PS4, autoaim off). It's a tap firing demon. It has certain issues (reload speed, single shot accuracy, etc) but it's lovely non the less.
Unknown One
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Usually we play with 2-5 people, but sometimes the other gaffers pop in. Since we already have a lot of people I tend to not add people because I'm too lazy.
Any other PS4 gaffers that need people to play with should just add me. You'll run into other PS4 gaffers by proxy.
PSN: Crakatak187
It does use 7.62 NATO rounds which should have better range and damage compared to the 5.56/5.45/5.8 that the rest of the carbines use. It's actually more of a battle rifle like the G3 or SCAR-H.
I have used it, not only an hour ago in fact.
I kill at the same range i kill with a 23 (not an L85), something the aek will not do as it isn't affective with an angled due to missing out on an ergo, which the gun needs for what it is.
Im very competitive with the gun at these extreme ranges in terms of assault rifles.
I find it extremely simple to handle as well as stated previously, its niche, which is something aek is not capable of at nearly the proper amount of efficiency.
Versatility.
Cannot even count how many time i have medium-long range gibbed somebody only to run into a building and remain effective at hip fire range.
My weapons are balanced around the use of an angled/ergo, and the aek is an ergo, whilst the 2000 is an angled.
For reference,
High level play- 23/ergo, pubs-23/angled
Pubs- L85/angled
Pubs- F2000/angled, ergo zavod
I was talking about BF3, my bad for being off-topic lol. I haven't used the F2000 in BF4 so I can't comment on it in this game at all.
Or are you talking about BF3? The Ace/L85 talk threw me off hah.
Oh damn lol, i assumed BF4 lol, in which case, yes i agree lol.
I adored the aek in bf3.
Also yeah, the L85 is just dumb.
It used to be my secret weapon until its stats released and word of mouth got out
I shoots at people i wouldn't normally shoot at because of this thing, opens up so many possible windows in a given situation.
Gun is a damn swiss army knife.
Edit: just a side note for those that are going for the AS VAL/gimped VSS- the gun must be used at close range to stay effective with an ergo.
I recommend ergo for this guy 100% of the time actually.
Its still mildly effective at mid range, but make no mistake, this gun is made for getting around enemies and sneaking around, ninja capping objectives.
Think of it as an assassin weapon, or a ninja weapon lol.
There's definitely something wrong after this patch. I don't know what they did to the netcode, but almost every death for me is a headshot now. This last round I counted 10 headshot deaths out of 12 total. Making me not want to play the game until the next patch.
Edit: This is exactly the kinda shit I'm experiencing since the patch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkQDtOYim6M
Edit: This is exactly the kinda shit I'm experiencing since the patch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkQDtOYim6M
DodgyGeezerFella
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Has something changed graphically since the latest patch ? It seems to run ever so slightly better, less stutter, frame rate steadier. It also doesn't look as blurry ? Did they adjust the AA method somehow ? Game looks slightly jaggier but everything looks much sharper in the distance.
It could be nothing, i haven't played the game in a month or so.
It could be nothing, i haven't played the game in a month or so.
Oh my god, this Gold Battlepack... two camos (okay...), a Tactical Light for the MP-412 (meh...), an Emblem (woo?), and a... 25% EXP boost.
So awful. I just want the Tri-beam Laser on the FN P90. Of course they're gonna make me do 410 kills for the entire Battlepacks for the FN P90 to even get that.
In BF3, post-nerf; it was still deadly. I honestly forget what DICE did (lowered the damage, made more recoil?) but it was still a good controlling gun. Does the AEK have a faster TTK? Sure. But the F2000 has a faster ADS for like... Metro's ticket-counter to the exit/A flag close-mid range engagement. Use it like a PDW and you'd be rolling in dead bodies with a faster mobility than the AEK or the other assault rifles.
Right, but in a game should it be that way?
So awful. I just want the Tri-beam Laser on the FN P90. Of course they're gonna make me do 410 kills for the entire Battlepacks for the FN P90 to even get that.
Not that it matters since I was gonna do that anyway, but come on PAM...
In BF3, post-nerf; it was still deadly. I honestly forget what DICE did (lowered the damage, made more recoil?) but it was still a good controlling gun. Does the AEK have a faster TTK? Sure. But the F2000 has a faster ADS for like... Metro's ticket-counter to the exit/A flag close-mid range engagement. Use it like a PDW and you'd be rolling in dead bodies with a faster mobility than the AEK or the other assault rifles.
Right, but in a game should it be that way?
Facism
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Wankbank Dam. Enemy Attack Boat never leaves it's spawn, just trying to TV missile everything.
Easy win. I stopped taking him out when i realised that other players might use thr attack boat properly.
Also, second time i've had an enemy scout chopper LAND on my slams LOL. Protecting my rear as i cap A and this low flying dipper flys low enough to set them off.
lol seks i just got a coyote for the ak-12 in the silver battlepack today.
Easy win. I stopped taking him out when i realised that other players might use thr attack boat properly.
Also, second time i've had an enemy scout chopper LAND on my slams LOL. Protecting my rear as i cap A and this low flying dipper flys low enough to set them off.
lol seks i just got a coyote for the ak-12 in the silver battlepack today.
fierrotlepou
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So before the update I didn't have any crash. Now I've crashed in 3 out of 10 games.
Good job, DICE. I'm sorry but this is beyond ridiculous. Instead of organising a "player appreciation month". Why don't you organize a fucking meeting.
Crash roundup (since the latest patch - PC, XBOX and PS4):
Good job, DICE. I'm sorry but this is beyond ridiculous. Instead of organising a "player appreciation month". Why don't you organize a fucking meeting.
Crash roundup (since the latest patch - PC, XBOX and PS4):
Honestly, I'm not even sure why I bother opening these. Outside of the possibility of the PAM dogtags and maybe finally getting my Bowie Knife (the only one left) most of the accessories (scopes, lights) I won't really use. Unless the Tactical Light that turns on while ADS is really good... like... BF3 Tactical Light good on being easy-mode. :/
I mean once I get all the FN P90 Battlepacks and grab them, if I opened them after getting the stuff in Gold/Silver packs, I'd just get XP boosts. :/ I really wish DICE would change the system to where if you have all the attachments/done before the weapon Battlepacks and are in like 80-110 range, you get other weapons Battlepacks over XP boosts. But they plan to sell these so... :/
I'm dying at that RPG-7 dodge and "NOPE" I need to .gif that.
Also why is doing Network Smoothing/whatever at 0? The default is 50. For the sake of testing he should use that since that's going to be the "default" for most people that can't be bothered to go lower due to the netcode/various netcode-related issues.
As for Zh1nt0's quote (Fersis will come to his aid I'm sure), Zh1nt0 has been a pretty awful community manager. IIRC he dropped that and is a "consultant" for DICE now while doing... god knows, some other game? His own studio? Something.
He said the same shit with BF3 but even then "pro" players didn't consider it competitive enough. DICE should stop with the competitive aspirations (even CoD isn't "competitive" at some level) and just make the game fun to play. It's like they lost this plan during BC2 to BF3 development. :/
The only thing they needed to do (and I know a lot of BC2 veterans are going to disagree) was:
-Tweak gunplay (BF3 nearly had it and BF4 "has" it but the lower TTK kinda ruins it)
-Tweak Rush (no harming the crates, something they added to BF3-4 and I feel helps the mode a lot better)
-Tweak destruction (BF3 knee-jerked too hard. It's too early to say, but I feel BF4 kinda "got" it except I entered a Zavod round that was nearly as "moon" is as BC2 maps. The entire forest was cleared on BOTH sides in 20 mins on Sabotage. WTF?
-Fix the fucking Helicopters (done. Though... Stingers and IGLA and Mobile AA/various AA options do hinder Helicopters air-ability at times unless in EXTREMELY GOOD/pro-pilot that still ruins servers play)
-Add 1-3 more flags in Conquest so the maps are Odd numbered in Conquest flags than Even so ticket bleed constantly happens (kinda did in "Conquest Large" but that doesn't help when "Conquest" is just the last-gen console version map variants)
-Tweak modes for their target player-counter (64 player Rush can work... provided they make maps and tweak the mode to fit that)
Now as far as DLC is concerned:
-Guns should be balanced during the development of the "base" game. F2000 and GOL firing lasers weeks before the game gets them? No such thing because you would have tweaked and tuned these guns like the base guns BEFORE the game launched and then stealth cut them for DLC buying purposes. (Yes, you may kill me for giving them the "Capcom" method of DLC but for the sake of balance it's probably for the best. No more crazy MTAR and GOLs)
-Modes shouldn't be added if they aren't going to be supported in the base game and earlier/later expansions: AGAIN, plan these during the development and then cut them out if need be. Though I'd honestly give the modes out a la "VIP" and say they're DLC when they really aren't and like the guns are on disc.
Now as for the maps themselves:
-Do those during DLC planning/"future support" of the title. Those are the things in the expansions that REALLY need to be tweaked and tested during DLC/future time. The guns and modes can fit in those with testing time. The guns and modes are separate and not part of the expansions despite what DICE thinks.
As far as modes are concerned:
-Rush
-Conquest
-Sabotage/Obliteration
-Capture the Flag
(-Team Deathmatch if they can fix the spawns and maybe make the maps slightly larger than they are by like... 100 meters for the sake of more spawns, but this doesn't work in 32-player MUCH LESS 64-player at this moment and it doesn't even feel like BF/BF's strengths to bother with it)
DLC:
-Air Superiority can come back if they make "air versions" of the maps. It's completely possible for them to do given they do these "large map sizes" for out of bounds/flying in normal gameplay. Like they moved the bounds for other modes in BC2, they can do that here.
-Domination (redundant with Conquest but some people like that sort of thing)
-Headquarters (for the casuals) but probably would give "OMG XP!" so they probably won't do this
-Tweak S&D/Defuse if they're going to bring it back, but honestly I can't see it fitting Battlefield like Deathmatch really doesn't. So they should probably forget it.
Wow, I wrote a lot of shit that no one will care about. But yeah, as far as "casual"/non-pro-elite play is concerned these would help.
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