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Batwoman - Teaser Trailer
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Cleared_Hot
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Because it looked like trash. Wait acting like comics or anything that is accurately adapted from comics is immune to criticism. This did looks like trash. Batman is a stupid looking super hero and this is even more dumb.Why are people complaining about this? The character is Katherine Kane. The costume colors are spot on with the comics:
Ulysses 31
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New teaser out!
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BrianRoyale
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Well, it's a CW show. She looks the part, there are elements of the comic there, but it's what I feared. Love the character in the comic but this..... just looks cheap and hacked together. I take it Greg Rucka or JH Williams are not apart of this in anyway? They really could have used them to write this.
DeafTourette
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Not to mention how they chastise the male characters for the SAME behavior the women get away with and even encouraged for. Like cheating with a married person (Sara did King Arthur's wife Guinevere)
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
The legends screw around all over the place without consequences in general. The other shows are usually better in that regard.
I often think that empowering women is a really good thing. I just don’t think it should be done at the expense of another gender. There is a ton of sniping done at the male gender that men are supposed to just ignore as play. I’m good with that as long as it is in moderation and is acceptable both ways. I’m my experience.. neither apply.
Ol'Scratch
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Everything she does is so exaggerated, it seriously puts me off. I love the character and will definitely give this a chance but I do not have high hopes as I think this is honestly less about telling a good story and instead taking advantage of the current climate. I will also say straight out that I love Ruby Rose and think that she is great in John Wick 2 and was fun in the last Resident Evil film. I just do not see her being able to main character.
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DeafTourette
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Agreed.
But if this show goes the Supergirl route... I'm tuning out! It's incredibly cringe with them minimizing Superman as if they BOTH can't exist in the same world at the same time... Which is why I ONLY watch Flash, Black Lightning and Arrow. I got tired of seeing my crush with Citizen Steel and hating that my REAL crush (The modern Vixen) isn't in the live action shows ...
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I agree. I was watching Arrow but it’s become so much less fun I have to force myself to watch it these days. I dismiss a lot of stuff for Legends because of how much more fun and campy/silly it is. I still like Flash.
I attempted to watch Charmed. I just can’t. The level of gender bashing going on there and some gender agenda they seem to have had me tune out. It’s a shame because I loved the original show so much.
andreymagnus
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Another boring cheaply made CW series. Promised myself not to watch any CW series after finishing 4 seasons of "Arrow", 3 seasons of "Flash", 2 seasons of "Legends of tomorrow" and a season of "Supergirl" - such a waste of time...
JareBear: Remastered
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Ruby Rose has left the show. Batwoman will be recast for S2
iconmaster
Banned
Don’t worry folks:
Why does she have to be lgbt?
Teletraan1
Banned
All of the people on Twitter who have never watched this show would riot if they backed away from the LGBT angle they pushed on this show from the beginning. If they got a non-LGBT actor to play a character they have set up as LGBT all of the people on Twitter who have never watched this show would riot. You have to chase a small audience because of the whims of people that will never watch your show for some reason.
Cleared_Hot
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Imagine if Brokeback Mountain came out today. "People" (aka a handful of fuckfaces on Twitter) would lose their shit because it's two straight dudes playing gay dudes.
TrainedRage
Banned
People watch this show??? Bwahahahahahaha
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I dunno. Maybe because you cast a black person to play a black person? Also, Batwoman is a lesbian in the comics.
I don't watch the show tho... The trailer turned me all the way off from watching it.
-Arcadia-
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Good for her. This was mediocrity for miles. Ruby Rose isn’t exactly Hollywood’s brightest shining star, but she deserves better than being yet another actor who could do better things, trapped in another terrible Arrowverse show.
I’m surprised she wasn’t contracted in for at least a few seasons, though.
I’m surprised she wasn’t contracted in for at least a few seasons, though.
JareBear: Remastered
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She probably got out at the right time. Sounds like Bruce Wayne/Batman is gonna be a factor in Season 2 and based on how Supergirl (the show) uses Superman (the character), basically as a joke, there’s probably a lot of fan backlash incoming.
Purely speculation based on articles I read today, but this maybe isn’t the best project to be working on anymore.
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Cato
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Hooray.
Maybe they can swap out batwoman herself to someone that is more interesting?
It can still be a woman lead character. Said it before, a Cassandra Cain and Spoiler duo could be really good.
Both are broken and damaged so there is internal struggle and room for character growth.
Both are loners and have no friends and have trouble with relating to others. So a huge opportunity for growth and them building a friendship.
Both also have in common that their fathers are villains.
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ManaByte
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The season finale was a total Face/Off rip-off.
They had Hush in it and at the end of the episode they give him a new face...BRUCE WAYNE'S.
I’m sorry, but since when has Hollywood given a shit about keeping a characters original race or sex? Funny how two-faced people are when it comes to comic accuracy.
not only that, but the character can still be gay in the show. Placing a mandate that the actress playing her must be suitably gay enough is stupid on its face. Ruby Rose is queer as fuck, and that didn’t stop the show from cratering in the ratings.
MayauMiao
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Piku_Ringo
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sol_bad
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When it comes to comic book super heroes, a huge majority of the characters were created between the 40's and the 60's, it was literally a white mans world and 98% of characters were white. As for gay characters, you can bet that gay characters weren't going to be created during those times as it was unacceptable to be gay back then, hence the large majority of super heroes are straight.
Comic book accuracy doesn't always have to be 100% accurate. It only needs to be accurate when it makes sense. Like I said, there are barely any gay super hero characters so if you are going to bring a gay character to the big screen or TV they should be kept gay. If the gay super hero in the comic isn't gay in the show/movie, what's the point of using that character since some of that characters identity was axed. The opposite is also true though, a straight super hero sure as fuck better stay straight on TV or at the cinema.
Where accuracy doesn't matter as much is with minor characters or super heroes that barely anyone knows or cares about. One example can be the Eternals movie coming out, majority of the characters have been changed from their comic form. They had less than 50 issues in a 35 year time span and it didn't have any mass cultural impact like Watchmen or V for Vendetta for example.
Another example is Jasper Sitwell.
Comics
MCU movies
No one gives a shit about him.
Slings and Arrows
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Good luck finding a more attractive LBGTQ actor, I mean, actress, shit I mean act-they, than Ruby Rose.
Non-lgbtq I would guess at Halle Berry
Non-lgbtq I would guess at Halle Berry
ManaByte
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Why ‘Batwoman’ Star Ruby Rose Left the CW Series
Rose's time on "Batwoman" marked the first TV starring role of her career.
variety.com
Dirk Benedict
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TrainedRage
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So people hate watch it?
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Considering she nearly ended up paralyzed working on this utter shitshow, no wonder she left
Dirk Benedict
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That's debatable.
Stiflers Mom
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Does this on the other side mean, that only straight actors will be playing straight characters from now on?
(because, it's so important to one's acting skills whom he/she is fucking, you know)
(because, it's so important to one's acting skills whom he/she is fucking, you know)
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Because apparently you can only play parts that look exactly like you otherwise you are somehow appropriating and harming some sensitive idiot's idpol feelings.
Never mind that the best gay characters in movies I've seen were played by straight people, and the coolest samurai in a Western cartoon I've seen was voiced by a black guy (yes, some of the crazies have taken this argument into the realms of VA work, too. Talk about cutting people off at the knees).
This show was trash IMO. The main saving graces were Alice, Luke, and Mary because at least they could consistently act and got some good lines and story arcs here and there, particularly Alice. There was only good directing in maybe 5 episodes tops, and that's considering they had to work with awful scripts.
The writing in this show is just downright garbage, it comes off as lazy and uninspired. I don't know who they have writing these scripts but it's probably time to let them go. Rose was never a strong actress in the show but she probably would've came off a tad better if the writing were decent.
I'm also kind of surprised by some of the critic community's reaction to her leaving. Grace Randolph in particular, who just comes off as a condescending ass. She kept taking potshots at Rose when talking about it, basically saying she has no career and was never good, etc. etc. I wonder where those complaints were when she was still on the show?
. She's said similar things about John Boyega and Oscar Isaac for not wanting to do Disney + shows.Grace may claim to be a progressive but like so many others out there her true colors show when a person actually puts the quality of a work (or perhaps personal issues to work through in private) ahead of pushing out a message for an agenda, or when they decide to (in her POV) "screw over" a mega-conglomerate because maybe they aren't just thinking about money-money-money 24/7. It's almost like she's a Twitter-type "progressive" on paper but in reality like almost all of them, is a dolt towing the corporate line like a good little shill.
As for Batwoman itself, the show's fucked unless they get new writers. They can cast whoever they want, but they'll still fail because the writing is just that bad. Because outside of those aforementioned three characters and having some good-looking women (not surprising, that's one thing CW actually seems to get right more often than not
), the show is simply a giant slog of a meandering nothingburger
Piku_Ringo
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1. Fuck off with the condescensionWhen it comes to comic book super heroes, a huge majority of the characters were created between the 40's and the 60's, it was literally a white mans world and 98% of characters were white. As for gay characters, you can bet that gay characters weren't going to be created during those times as it was unacceptable to be gay back then, hence the large majority of super heroes are straight.
Comic book accuracy doesn't always have to be 100% accurate. It only needs to be accurate when it makes sense. Like I said, there are barely any gay super hero characters so if you are going to bring a gay character to the big screen or TV they should be kept gay. If the gay super hero in the comic isn't gay in the show/movie, what's the point of using that character since some of that characters identity was axed. The opposite is also true though, a straight super hero sure as fuck better stay straight on TV or at the cinema.
Where accuracy doesn't matter as much is with minor characters or super heroes that barely anyone knows or cares about. One example can be the Eternals movie coming out, majority of the characters have been changed from their comic form. They had less than 50 issues in a 35 year time span and it didn't have any mass cultural impact like Watchmen or V for Vendetta for example.
Another example is Jasper Sitwell.
Comics
MCU movies
No one gives a shit about him.
2. Excuse me, but is the point of this production to make a television show people watch, or a political statement?
There is zero fucking reason why the actress playing a fictional superhero has to be gay. I don't care what happened in the 1940s, or 50's or 60's. I care about what is happening today, and what's happening today is you cast your main character , solely on the basis of who they fuck, and no one cares, hence why no one is watching. Batwoman has gone out of its way to give itself a terrible polarizing image, pandering to an audience that clearly is more interested in arguing gender politics on twitter than actually watching the show.
When the producers come out and announce they are sticking to this stupid rule, they are just signalling to me, a potential viewer that nothing will change. The focus won't be improving the writing, or the poor character development, or the weak action scenes. The priority is...showing lesbians on television?
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sol_bad
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Are you talking about the actor or the character? I thought you meant the character because the post that I quoted of yours did mention keeping the characters original race or sex.
If I'm being "condescending", maybe it's just that your a bit touchy and emotional because I sure wasn't being condescending. You do always come across as angry though.
If you are talking about actors, I assume you don't care if they hire a gay actor to play a straight character?
I'm sorry, but I don't need another bullshit lecture about gay characters in comics. I've seen a thousand and one excuses for Hollywood changing characters whenever the fuck they want, so this idea that Batwoman is so sacred...Yeah fuck off, I don't really care. DC could announce Kate Kane is hetero tomorrow and nothing would change.
Not to mention, it had nothing to do with my post. There is no logical reason a lesbian has to play a fictional character in a television show that doesn't even show sex. It's stupid virtue signaling at best.
I don't care if a gay guy plays a straight guy, and I've never cared. This shit is important to you maybe, but the sexual orientation of an actor isn't a priority for me
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