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[Bjoern the Smexy]

I don't know.

I'm of the camp that would get Bayonetta 2 for a system I have, but not get a system for Bayonetta 2. My expectation is that most of the 800K or so people who got Bayonetta on the PS3 and 360 are of similar inclination - it was a consequence and incidental to having a system rather than a cause. Especially considering it was previously multiplatform and there was no need to get a system for Bayonetta. I think this is probably the case with most games.

Are people really going to buy a game they may have no interest in just to show some sort of support?

I'm actually quite curious how many people now planning to get this sequel have played the first. It might have even been a good idea to release a port of Bayonetta 1 as well.

I'm sorry, maybe I misunderstand your post, but I don't see the connection between your post and what you bolded in mine.
I specifically stated that people who already own the console at Bayo2's release will buy the game to show support for the console they bought.

As I said, maybe I misread something in your post or you misread something in mine.

Also, as I stated in an earlier post, Bayonetta 1 sold 1.35 million worldwide. It may have sold 800k in the US alone, but you need to see the bigger picture here, meaning that the US, although being probably the most important gaming market right now, is not the only gaming market in existence
Other markets behave differently, is what I'm trying to say.
P* and Nintendo will probably look at the worldwide sales of the game to see how well it sold and if they should make another sequel.
They will look at region specific sales to determine if that particular region is "worthy" of that sequel. That's my guess on it.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Sequels in gaming aren't like sequels to movies, or sequels to books. You don't have to have a full understanding of the story to play a game as long as the gameplay itself can be learned without too much trouble.

In fact, what studies of games that have been done showed something like 80% of people never even finish the single player portion of games... so having played a previous one may be helpful in some ways, games are designed with at the very least an understanding that the person playing probably hasn't even beaten the previous ones.

For instance, how many people that bought Final Fantast 13 beat the previous 11? (FF11 is an MMO so not counting that ). Or how many people who bought MGS4 beat MGS1-3? Gamers don't just know that games are designed to be played out of order, they come to expect it. Why do you think many modern revivals of old game series can sell well despite many of the peopel buying them to be too young to have really played the originals?

Final Fantasy isn't really a good example considering the franchise itself is a series of independent games without any inter-related narrative. I would wager that given the nature of the Metal Gear fanbase they're inclined to have generally play the mainline games though.

I guess it depends on how narrative driven a game is, how cohesive that narrative is across a series, and how self-contained the narrative is within a given game in the series.

Your mileage may vary in how much this applies to Bayonetta.

I'm sorry, maybe I misunderstand your post, but I don't see the connection between your post and what you bolded in mine.
I specifically stated that people who already own the console at Bayo2's release will buy the game to show support for the console they bought.

As I said, maybe I misread something in your post or you misread something in mine.

Also, as I stated in an earlier post, Bayonetta 1 sold 1.35 million worldwide. It may have sold 800k in the US alone, but you need to see the bigger picture here, meaning that the US, although being probably the most important gaming market right now, is not the only gaming market in existence
Other markets behave differently, is what I'm trying to say.
P* and Nintendo will probably look at the worldwide sales of the game to see how well it sold and if they should make another sequel.
They will look at region specific sales to determine if that particular region is "worthy" of that sequel. That's my guess on it.

It shipped 1.3 million. My off-the-cuff estimate was low - it's probably more in line with a million globally across both platforms, with reasonably large installed bases.

The part in bold was in reference to the question: Are people really going to buy a game they may have no interest in just to show some sort of support?

Although I should have been more clear.

 

[∀ Narayan]

If we get Vanquish 2 also, I will shit my pants!

Oh god, I will do much more than shit my pants if it happens.

 

[Rubixcuba]

This seems to be the best place to ask at current, is the PS3 version of Bayonetta worthwhile getting or is it a buggy mess ?

 

[Retro_]

Are people really going to buy a game they may have no interest in just to show some sort of support?

No but I'm sure there are a ton of Nintendo fans interested in the game now that it's coming out on a platform they will own.(where as they may have heard about the original from word of mouth but never had the means or interest to play it)

Like when the game got announced alot of my friends who are primarily interested in Nintendo games were interested in the sequel and the first one because they planned on owning a wii-u

People thinking of the games alienating an audience aren't thinking about the possibility of building a new one on top of the existing one

 

[ezekial45]

This seems to be the best place to ask at current, is the PS3 version of Bayonetta worthwhile getting or is it a buggy mess ?

It's been patched. It's significantly improved, but the 360 version is still the best.

 

[RagnarokX]

http://bayonetta2boycott.wordpress.com/

"Don't worry, guys, we can still play Bayonetta 2 without giving Nintendo any money even though we totally don't hate Nintendo! We can just buy the WiiU and Bayonetta 2 used! Wait... If we are willing to spend money on the console and game used, which will still be fairly expensive, then why are we throwing such a fit?"

 

[maeda]

Oh god, I will do much more than shit my pants if it happens.

Top that with Kamiya directed and Miyamoto produced Star Fox ... oh shit!
Nintendo is so fucking evil! Only they can plan to blow our minds by intentionally having a shitty E3, then 3 months of no news, and finally a megaton to be remembered for generations. This situation is like RE exclusivity deal x10.

 

[Karsticles]

http://bayonetta2boycott.wordpress.com/

"Don't worry, guys, we can still play Bayonetta 2 without giving Nintendo any money even though we totally don't hate Nintendo! We can just buy the WiiU and Bayonetta 2 used! Wait... If we are willing to spend money on the console and game used, which will still be fairly expensive, then why are we throwing such a fit?"

The spite runs deep.

 

[∀ Narayan]

The stupidity runs deep.

FTFY

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/247209898377637888

edit: Old? Old.

 

[guit3457]

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/247209898377637888

edit: Old? Old.

I sent him a reply in spanish ( I think he is from Venezuela).

Have you seen his Twitter profile?:

Harcore gamer | Monster Hunter fan | Pseudo Chemist Pharmacist Bologist | Gears of War, Team Fortress and Skyrim fanatic.

My answer:

Fanatic and pseudo words fit well with your personality. You better change your twitter profile with this: pseudo-person and pseudo-harcore gamer.

Sorry for the poor translation

 

[linko9]

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/247209898377637888

edit: Old? Old.

I don't know what it is about Kamiya's short-ass tweets, but they crack me up every time.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Lol "Monster Hunter fan," surprised he isn't cursing out 3 Ultimate too.

 

[zoukka]

I don't know man... this incident has shown me that times may change, but people don't. Fanboys were a sad thing in my childhood and so they are today. And they will be 10 years from now.

 

[maeda]

By the way, has anyone thought how awesome Iwata asks for Bayo 2 will be?

 

[Neiteio]

By the way, has anyone thought how awesome Iwata asks for Bayo 2 will be?

Iwata: "So Kamiya-san, I see you're an ass man."

Kamiya: "Ask Capcom."

Iwata: *laughs*

 

[hiro4]

By the way, has anyone thought how awesome Iwata asks for Bayo 2 will be?

It will be the best.
I expect something like the vid where he takes the pose of bayonetta on the floor.

 

[Terrell]

Lol "Monster Hunter fan," surprised he isn't cursing out 3 Ultimate too.

None of the makers of MonHun have English-accessible Twitter accounts.

God dammit, I hate Twitter.

 

[Bjoern the Smexy]

I don't know what it is about Kamiya's short-ass tweets, but they crack me up every time.

They're precise and to the point.
Basically One-Hit K.O.s

 

[Coolwhip]

The developer should feel a mix of being flattered that so many basement dwellers rage about it and being disappointed in mankind.

 

[Canis lupus]

This seems to be the best place to ask at current, is the PS3 version of Bayonetta worthwhile getting or is it a buggy mess ?

PS3 version is good now.

 

[Anteater]

I guess it's not too bad!

 

[Boss Doggie]

PS3 version is good now.

By good you mean playable, yes.

 

[CaptNfantasy]

I don't know man... this incident has shown me that times may change, but people don't. Fanboys were a sad thing in my childhood and so they are today. And they will be 10 years from now.

Yeah, remember when nintendo fans used to death threat all the makers of games that didnt come to wii?

 

[Theonik]

I guess it's not too bad!

Baka Gaijin

 

[kitsuneyo]

If we get Vanquish 2 also, I will shit my pants!

I thought the same the other day. I love Vanquish. I don't think it has half as big a following as Bayonetta though.

Even though Mikami is no longer at P*, Kamiya says there's still a chance of a sequel:

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/83477026819936256

 

[Lafiel]

PS3 version is good now.

Not really. The latest patch improves the load times. But the 360 version is significantly far better, and this is coming from someone who has played both versions quite extensively.

 

[∀ Narayan]

I thought the same the other day. I love Vanquish. I don't think it has half as big a following as Bayonetta though.

Even though Mikami is no longer at P*, Kamiya says there's still a chance of a sequel:

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/83477026819936256

Oh god.

Make it happen, Kamiya.

 

[Nibel]

http://bayonetta2boycott.wordpress.com/

"Don't worry, guys, we can still play Bayonetta 2 without giving Nintendo any money even though we totally don't hate Nintendo! We can just buy the WiiU and Bayonetta 2 used! Wait... If we are willing to spend money on the console and game used, which will still be fairly expensive, then why are we throwing such a fit?"

What a pathetic piece of shit

 

[slaughterking]

Kamiya is stoked.

 

[F#A#Oo]

Is Nintendo at TGS?

If not will they be holding a NintendoWorld type event or more of these small Nintendo Directs?

 

[AniHawk]

Yeah, remember when nintendo fans used to death threat all the makers of games that didnt come to wii?

i do remember a fake bomb being sent to something like a wal-mart with a note on it stating nintendo didn't get the respect they deserve. that was back in the gamecube days, i think.

you'd probably see similar shit if twitter was around when final fantasy vii went to playstation.

 

[Rich!]

To be fair, the ridiculous backlash we've seen from this announcement isn't something that's exclusive to games.

Anyone remember the outcry over Daniel Craig being announced as Bond? It was just like this.

And as soon as Casino Royale came out, all the crybabies shut up. Why? Because they went and watched it.

Obviously there's a big price difference between the examples, but hey - gaming is expensive.

 

[Currygan]

Kamiya also hints at a remake/port of Bayo. That would be great

 

[jrDev]

Wait, were Nintendo fans crying when Madworlds sequels went to other platforms besides the Wii?

 

[InfiniteNine]

Kamiya also hints at a remake/port of Bayo. That would be great

YOU DON'T POST THIS AND NOT GIVE ME EVIDENCE. D<

 

[Spieler Eins]

Kamiya is stoked.

Oh my god, this needs to happen.

 

[Currygan]

YOU DON'T POST THIS AND NOT GIVE ME EVIDENCE. D<

right to you, sir!

which points to this

 

[axisofweevils]

http://bayonetta2boycott.wordpress.com/

"Don't worry, guys, we can still play Bayonetta 2 without giving Nintendo any money even though we totally don't hate Nintendo! We can just buy the WiiU and Bayonetta 2 used! Wait... If we are willing to spend money on the console and game used, which will still be fairly expensive, then why are we throwing such a fit?"

The one thing that pleases me with that blog is that almost every comment disagrees with the boycott.

Also, judging by this tweet from Kamiya, it definitely suggests that it's down to Nintendo whether it ever appears on any other platform.

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/247323199866540033

 

[Roto13]

Eshop the original-basic port watever. If they go the mass effect route and give us a comic i wont be happy.

Mass Effect only had a comic so you could make the decisions from the first game and carry them over. Bayonetta 2 isn't going to have that.

If we get Vanquish 2 also, I will shit my pants!

Nintendo's probably not going to publish Vanquish 2.

But hey, a week ago I would have said Nintendo's probably not going to publish Bayonetta 2, if anyone had asked, which they wouldn't have because it's such a weird idea.

http://bayonetta2boycott.wordpress.com/

"Don't worry, guys, we can still play Bayonetta 2 without giving Nintendo any money even though we totally don't hate Nintendo! We can just buy the WiiU and Bayonetta 2 used! Wait... If we are willing to spend money on the console and game used, which will still be fairly expensive, then why are we throwing such a fit?"

Yeah, if they could afford Wii U's they wouldn't be so bitchy about it in the first place. It's not a boycott if you can't afford it anyway.

Kamiya also hints at a remake/port of Bayo. That would be great

Kamiya never hints at anything. Stop reading too much into his tweets.

 

[Diddy Kong]

right to you, sir!

which points to this

Thank you for making my morning

 

[Endo Punk]

I do believe Bayonetta 2 has established its self as a killer app.

 

[Tenki]

right to you, sir!

which points to this

It'd be awesome.

 

[Nibel]

I do believe Bayonetta 2 has established its self as a killer app.

Just look at this thread

 

[Diprosalic]

I do believe Bayonetta 2 has established its self as a killer app.

in that way that people would kill to get it on the 360?

 

[ChosenPredator]

gonna try the demo now to see why everyone is going ballistic

 

[Endo Punk]

in that way that people would kill to get it on the 360?

If gamers are not salty about a title it's not a killer app.

 

[Jackano]

119 pages... Didn't read, so, a quick question if you don't mind:
What's the GAF concensus about a release of Bayonetta 1 port on Wii U, at least digitally only before Bayonetta 2 comes out?

 

[Theonik]

119 pages... Didn't read, so, a quick question if you don't mind:
What's the GAF concensus about a release of Bayonetta 1 port on Wii U, at least digitally only before Bayonetta 2 comes out?

The consensus is "Hmm"