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[Valnen]

Locking people up will do a lot...

It will stop them from harming themselves or others until they can get the help they need in a hospital.

Actually the onus is on you to prove relevance of something you submit. Now explain how the part you bolded grants exclusive definition of 'threat' to those discussed in the article instead of everyone.

The guy hacked his own arm off. He's a threat to himself. It's really that simple. It really feels like you're arguing just for the sake of it right now.

 

[AkuMifune]

I will be their Dr. Kevorkian, and you can call me 'The Limb Whisperer' .

Also, the term 'transabled' is dumb and should not be used. How about 'fucking insane'?

 

[jakonovski]

I did.

That you could knowingly practice cutting limbs to one day do it to yourself without feeling any hesitation whatsoever just seems a bit much for me to accept, with rare exception.

Accepting reality is a good idea. The human brain is what it is and can produce extreme conditions in individuals.

 

[Wrestlemania]

I did.

That you could knowingly practice cutting limbs to one day do it to yourself without feeling any hesitation whatsoever just seems a bit much for me to accept, with rare exception.

Well then you'll be glad to hear that this is a rare condition!

 

[Beefy]

You laugh now but in 10 years you will be shamed for not supporting this beautiful cause.

Or people will understand this is a condition and people with it need help, instead of calling people with it disgusting etc.

 

[John Kowalski]

I really have no opinion on this. The way i see it, if it increases their psychological quality of life, eh.

I will be their Dr. Kevorkian, and you can call me 'The Limb Whisperer' .

Also, the term 'transabled' is dumb and should not be used. How about 'fucking insane'?

That's really not necessary. It's just a nomenclature. You wouldn't call someone who actually had a mental disorder "fucking insane", would you?

 

[Beefy]

It will stop them from harming themselves or others until they can get the help they need in a hospital.

Not every one can be helped.

 

[Irminsul]

Accepting reality is a good idea. The human brain is what it is and can produce extreme conditions in individuals.

Accepting that these conditions may exist has nothing to do with agreeing that people should do things they feel the need to do due to these conditions, though.

 

[Valnen]

Not every one can be helped.

You can't let someone who can't be helped live in society freely. Someone THAT mentally ill is a real threat.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

The guy hacked his own arm off. He's a threat to himself. It's really that simple. It really feels like you're arguing just for the sake of it right now.

Sounds more like you made a ridiculous assertion and are attempting to move the goalpost. Your initial statement was threats should be locked up. That includes you and me every time we get into a car. You're being awfully pick-and-choosey on who qualifies as a threat.

 

[Irminsul]

Sounds more like you made a ridiculous assertion and are attempting to move the goalpost. Your initial statement was threats should be locked up. That includes you and me every time we get into a car. You're being awfully pick-and-choosey on who qualifies as a threat.

Him and laws, apparently.

 

[jakonovski]

You can't let someone who can't be helped live in society freely.

You'll notice that the bit right there says that a qualified professional makes the call. Not random Neogaf poster who just read an article and got grossed out.

 

[Jackben]

This is ridiculous. But if someone wants to cut off their own body parts, so be it. I'd consider it a mental illness but I'm not going to get in your face about it.

That being said, it's an incredibly selfish and shitty thing to do if they intend to garner sympathy or any form of special provisions society provided to legitimately handicapped people. Also don't understand the comparison to transgender people, that seems fairly insulting and disingenuous.

 

[Beefy]

You can't let someone who can't be helped live in society freely. Someone THAT mentally ill is a real threat.

But what if the person removing a limb etc is only thing that will help? They will only get worse and worse, locking them up wouldn't help. Locking up people that have a mental health condition isn't the answer.

 

[Valnen]

But what if the person removing a limb etc is only thing that will help? They will only get worse and worse, locking them up wouldn't help. Locking up people that have a mental health condition isn't the answer.

A doctor should make that call, not a guy with his own power tools.

 

[Skinpop]

I might sound like the biggest bigot with this, but here goes: wanting to be a different gender kind of is a mental illness. Not feeling right in your body even when in perfect physical health. Except it's a mental illness that can be fixed by switching genders. If that's what makes them a happier person, go for it. (Terribly sorry for offending anyone but it's just what i think.)

In this case though the way of fixing it is cutting off a limb or something similarily extreme. That should not be the way to go. You go down that road too far you end up letting suicidal people kill themselves because "that's what they want".

there's studies and evidence suggesting wanting to be a different gender is neurological - the theory is basically that both the body and the brain has a sex and that in some people they aren't the same.

there's neurological issues that disables people from having a sense of "I" as a unique person, there are neurological issues that have sufferers feel their body doesn't belong to them and that someone else is controlling the body and so on. I find it disgusting that so many in here are quick to label this as stupidity or mental illness.

 

[jakonovski]

Accepting that these conditions may exist has nothing to do with agreeing that people should do things they feel the need to do due to these conditions, though.

There's a lot of people having trouble separating viewpoints in this matter.

 

[Irminsul]

there's studies and evidence suggesting wanting to be a different gender is neurological - the theory is basically that both the body and the brain has a sex and that in some people they aren't the same.

there's neurological issues that disables people from having a sense of "I" as a unique person, there are neurological issues that have sufferers feel their body doesn't belong to them and that someone else is controlling the body and so on. I find it disgusting that so many in here are quick to label this as stupidity or simple mental illness.

Wait, what is the difference between "neurological reasons" and "'simple' mental illnesses"?

 

[Beefy]

A doctor should make that call, not a guy with his own power tools.

Doctors aren't always right.

 

[Irminsul]

Doctors aren't always right.

Who do you think should perform the amputations?

 

[jett]

Mentally disabled, more like. These people are just insane.

 

[Jackben]

there's studies and evidence suggesting wanting to be a different gender is neurological - the theory is basically that both the body and the brain has a sex and that in some people they aren't the same.

there's neurological issues that disables people from having a sense of "I" as a unique person, there are neurological issues that have sufferers feel their body doesn't belong to them and that someone else is controlling the body and so on. I find it disgusting that so many in here are quick to label this as stupidity or mental illness.

I've never been down with body mutilation and modification for aesthetic purposes. Gender conversion I don't consider aesthetic but as part of a physical display of your identify.

Thus gender reassignment makes sense to me.

Wanting to cut off your eyelids and nose because you feel like you're a demon at heart is just psychotic. I'll not stop you but I don't have a high opinion of your mental wellness either.

Same goes for cutting off arms or pretending you're handicap when you aren't. These are issues that should be worked through. That's how I feel right now, but it may change in the future. It took me a while to understand transgender issues.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Who do you think should perform the amputations?

Probably a surgeon. Which isn't a diagnostics position.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

By choice? So do people think they are faking it? Because cutting off your limbs would be a hardcore way to scam people. They obviously need the help of society, one way or the other.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Someone actively trying to self-amputate will be put in a psych hold. Someone having thoughts will be sent to a psych consult or outpatient mental health clinic.
So please, everyone calm down.

 

[Beefy]

Who do you think should perform the amputations?

I said in a earlier post that I don't agree with the amputations, but can see why people with this conditon long term would do it. I myself have lived through it although it was just for a few months and not year after year. They just need help is all.

 

[HarryHengst]

Sounds like a mental illnes to me.
Comparing it to transgender sounds like an insult to them and people who are actually disabeld

Not too long again transgender people were also seen as mentally ill who needed to be locked up instead of being allowed to change gender. Its just a matter of perspective whether or not this is sick or should not be allowed.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Welp, that's a new concept to grasp this morning.

Mental illnesses are behavioral patterns that cause suffering and inability to function normally. That seems like it covers transgendered persons and these "transabled" people. Hacking off limbs is a little more extreme than hormone therapy and invasive sex reassignment surgeries, but they all seem like suboptimal treatments for disorders we don't fully understand yet. I dunno if that means it's the best option for these people too—seems more humane than locking them up for their own protection.

EDIT: Ah, according to the APA there's a more granular definition that not all transgendered people meet the criteria for dysmorphia. Bit confusing but it makes more sense where people's discomfort is less a factor of internal pressures and more a result of outside responses to that. http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

I guess then that a similar split might be at play here, or if you could say that all the people with these feelings are harming themselves they'd all fall under the dysmorphia categorization.

 

[Wereroku]

A doctor should make that call, not a guy with his own power tools.

Except doctors won't do this for that person. These people feel like they have an alien part attached to their body and it causes severe stress and anxiety. People keep asking how someone could cut their own limbs off but to these people they aren't a part of their body. When you think about it like that you can see how it could come to this.

 

[Irminsul]

Probably a surgeon. Which isn't a diagnostics position.

No, but I thought part of the problems were surgeons refusing to amputate healthy limbs.

 

[backflip10019]

I've seen a piece on this before, it's very interesting. Opens up a lot of questions.

No it doesn't. Instead of fixing the issue, which is mental health, these people are choosing to physically harm themselves.

I honestly can't even believe that some people in this thread think this is fine. If the issue was cutting, I think it would be unanimous that it's a mental health issue.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

No, but I thought part of the problems were surgeons refusing to amputate healthy limbs.

I'm not an expert but in this day and age of plastic surgery I don't imagine it's farfetched to be able to find one who will lob off a limb for you. Whether that's legal for them to do, I also can't say.

 

[Wrestlemania]

Well this thread is utterly fucking depressing.

 

[Irminsul]

I honestly can't even believe that some people in this thread think this is fine. If the issue was cutting, I think it would be unanimous that it's a mental health issue.

Yeah, I'm wondering myself if all those people defending this would also say people cutting themselves should just do so if they want.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Out of curiosity. If I was Bill Gates rich and I elected to have my legs removed to have robotics put in, would people in this thread classify me as 'insane'?

 

[Wereroku]

No it doesn't. Instead of fixing the issue, which is mental health, these people are choosing to physically harm themselves.

I honestly can't even believe that some people in this thread think this is fine. If the issue was cutting, I think it would be unanimous that it's a mental health issue.

Ok read some of the fucking articles posted in here. A lot of these people get treatment and it doesn't help the initial disorder it only treats the symptoms. They mentally feel like they have a parasite, for lack of a better term, attached to their bodies. Imagine if you have a leech attached to you 24/7 how much would you want it removed after a long enough time.

Yeah, I'm wondering myself if all those people defending this would also say people cutting themselves should just do so if they want.

Cutting is a side effect of other conditions and is actually a form of treatment that a lot of people develop. They use it as a form of stress relief. That's not really comparable since it's not the major condition.

 

[jakonovski]

Yeah, I'm wondering myself if all those people defending this would also say people cutting themselves should just do so if they want.

Ok, who's saying people should cut off their limbs on their own?

Out of curiosity. If I was Bill Gates rich and I elected to have my legs removed to have robotics put in, would people in this thread classify me as 'insane'?

This is a nerd forum, thus cyberpunk things are seen as ok. Even if they're just as extreme. There's little rationality involved unfortunately.

 

[SmokyDave]

Yeah, I'm wondering myself if all those people defending this would also say people cutting themselves should just do so if they want.

Don't start having a go at the translacerated, that ain't cool.

(Loppers and cutters shouldn't be lopping and cutting in my opinion).

 

[Arjen]

Not too long again transgender people were also seen as mentally ill who needed to be locked up instead of being allowed to change gender. Its just a matter of perspective whether or not this is sick or should not be allowed.

Well I guess time will tell

 

[Jarmel]

Making yourself disabled places a burden on others and society. So they are hurting other people. They could even end up taking money and time from people who are disabled by accident, which, if nothing else, is what makes this unacceptable.

So if they're able to financially support themselves without dependence then would that be fine?

We live in a world where you can get replacement limbs and possibly do jobs while still missing say an arm or leg.

I'm not an expert but in this day and age of plastic surgery I don't imagine it's farfetched to be able to find one who will lob off a limb for you. Whether that's legal for them to do, I also can't say.

I'm pretty sure you would lose your license very quickly and be sued out of existence in a year.

 

[Transhuman]

Is the main characteristic that they feel the need to be disabled, or the need for other people to see them as disabled? Can anyone who has done digging/ research on this tell me to spare me some time?

I really can't tell whether this is closer to extreme Munchausen syndrome, or just gender dysphoria.

The only reason to voluntary cut off your limps should be to replace them with superior artificial ones.

We are literally millions of years away from this technology. Maybe even centuries.

 

[NimbusD]

While sure, people can do what they want with their bodies, this is a pretty clear mental illness. While gender is a social construct, having or not having a hand is not. To piggy back on the recent wider acceptance of trangender people as if it's the same thing is dishonest to say the least. It does a huge disservice and provides much more misinformation about the transgender community.

 

[Moff]

I said in a earlier post that I don't agree with the amputations, but can see why people with this conditon long term would do it. I myself have lived through it although it was just for a few months and not year after year. They just need help is all.

well most of the time a tiny bit of empathy would be enough.
I cannot even imagine what people must go through if they feel so bad about themselves or parts of themselves that they actually cut off their limbs, and in this thread people call them disgusting or insulting to people with "real" disabilities. it's just sad.

 

[Irminsul]

Ok, who's saying people should cut off their limbs on their own?

Well, apparently having a doctor have the last say is bad. Amputations are a bit more sophisticated than taking a razor blade and cutting yourself, so the difference between a professional doing the one thing and an amateur the other is really moot.

Don't start having a go at the translacerated, that ain't cool.

You made me look up "lacerated" (English isn't my mother tongue), so thanks, as it's a nice word.

 

[injurai]

This is clearly mental illness. Anyone who does this does not deserve to receive disability pay or be covered medically by insurance.

 

[Beefy]

Is the main characteristic that they feel the need to be disabled, or the need for other people to see them as disabled?

I really can't tell whether this is closer to extreme Munchausen syndrome, or just gender dysphoria.

Probably both.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

This is clearly mental illness. Anyone who does this does not deserve to receive disability pay or be covered medically by insurance.

Mental illness is not a disability now?

The issue is way more complex

 

[Wereroku]

Is the main characteristic that they feel the need to be disabled, or the need for other people to see them as disabled?

I really can't tell whether this is closer to extreme Munchausen syndrome, or just gender dysphoria.

No they literally see their bodies as only having 1 arm or 1 leg. Brain scans have been done that show the brain does not see the affected body part as its own. They mentally feel it is unrelated to their bodies.

 

[megatronium]

Pandora's box is open.

 

[demosthenes]

As someone who grew up with a father paralyzed from the mid back down.

What the fuck.