Gender might be a social construct, but sex isn't.
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Becoming disabled by choice, not chance: Transabled people
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jakonovski
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If it was just that one guy with personal stake that said something, why not take it up with him instead of making a completely baseless generalization?
Mentally ill people don't deserve coverage? Are you even aware of what you're saying?
Penises and vaginas and other sex structures are physically not socially constructed and in severe cases they need to be removed/altered for relief, and the new medically-created structures aren't fully operable. Sex reassignment surgery isn't really that different from ability modification/reassignment.
Bubba_Sparks
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This clearly some sort of disability, and I hope one day these people can be treated to make themselves better.
It's wishing to make yourself incomplete. You can't equate transgender and this. This is actively working to make yourself less able and more dependent. If it's not some sort of illness, I don't know what it could be.
There are economic limits on how far we can support the non-contributing and disabled. If you choose to be disabled you should not get disability aid that would be equivalent to someone who naturally suffered the tragedy of the same disability. These people should not be covered by their insurance for becoming disabled and complications that would directly rise from it.
The extent of treating mental illness should not be extended to placating and pandering to the illness.
Jackben
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This is exactly how I feel and sums up the situation quite elegantly in my opinion.
They should be allowed mental handicap health resources to prevent this from happening. But I am inclined to agree that if you choose to become physically handicapped it is extremely insulting and selfish to take up resources allowed to legitimately physically handicapped people.
Because otherwise I don't really get what's being discussed here. Like I said, accepting that certain mental conditions exist doesn't mean agreeing with acting on them.
jakonovski
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And we're up to social darwinism. And people were worried about radical feminists.
megatronium
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If a man becomes a woman and creates herself a fake vagina where a penis used to be where does that leave us?
NoblesseOblige
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Said it before, but sure I'll say it again. The number of people who would receive benefits for a self-elected disability is so marginally insignificant that it would actually cost more time and money getting the policies put in place to disallow it than it would to just support all disabilities regardless of cause.
jakonovski
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You don't agree or disagree with illness. You treat it. That's one of the things I meant when I said people are having trouble with viewpoints.
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Well, here is my take on it
It's mostly hypothetical because the disorder is rare. We just don't know if amputation is even a valid treatment.
StalkerUKCG
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I'm not happy with the Trans prefix being applied here because it associates it to the layman along side things like transgender.
As a big LGBT supporter, grouping something that I think is firmly a mental illness along with them isn't fair.
As a big LGBT supporter, grouping something that I think is firmly a mental illness along with them isn't fair.
Jackben
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I'm not seeing how what they are saying is social Darwinism. Shouldn't we treat the mentally ill before they become hurt rather than allowing them to harm themselves to the point they are permanently handicapped and thus require more extensive lifelong treatment and resources to survive? That just seems like common sense to me.
Can that person still commit themselves to the workforce? Do they need extra care in the same way at all compared to a disabled person of...any variety?
PlayALLtheGames
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Seems like a manifestation of Body Dysmorphic Disorder; the people have something about their bodies that they can't stop obsessing over. In this case, something that is there that shouldn't be there. I don't know. Interesting psychologically, for sure.
megatronium
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I must've crossed a line. Sorry.
jakonovski
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Yeah, but he's saying they should be excluded from society and denied treatment if their illness advances far enough. Because it puts a financial burden on the healthy.
poppabk
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One of the problems is that there is a significant stigma attached to the term mental illness. I would say that pre-op Trans-gendered people are suffering from a mental illness, same as someone suffering phantom limb pain, or the people discussed in the article. All that mental illness really means is that the problem exists within the brain and that there is no physical manifestation.
The question is which avenue do we pursue to try and cure these problems, physical or mental, and do we set limits to what is acceptable to do. Obviously in the case of transgenderism the studies support a physical change being effective, while trying to 'fix' the mind is ineffective even damaging. In the case of these Transabled individuals it is harder to know the right answer.
The question is which avenue do we pursue to try and cure these problems, physical or mental, and do we set limits to what is acceptable to do. Obviously in the case of transgenderism the studies support a physical change being effective, while trying to 'fix' the mind is ineffective even damaging. In the case of these Transabled individuals it is harder to know the right answer.
Jackben
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The inability to procreate may be upsetting to many, but voluntarily forgoing it is not a handicap. Unless you mean everyone that practices safe sex is disabled?
In either case, it doesn't severely impair your ability to survive in modern society. This is a terribly unintelligent comparison.
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Yes, if you can. Before drastic measures like cutting off limbs you should be really sure with your diagnosis, though.
striferser
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One thing that i know is that they definitely need a professional help
Well, to be fair, that could be a simple language issue. There isn't really a distinction between "sex" and "gender" in German, for example. It's just one word.
CrimzonSamurai
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That's biological sex bruh. Gender is different. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but pretty sure "gender" means the social roles/treatments people take on/receive based on their biological sex.
That's why it's "transgender" and no longer "transsexual" because people can't change their chromosomes.
Like I said, someone can correct me if I messed that up.
jakonovski
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Medically, we're just assholes saying useless opinions here.
megatronium
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If my post offends, it wasn't meant to. Its a legit question. I'll withdraw it.
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Transhuman
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Ehhhh.... Not all risk-taking, attention-seeking, sympathy-solicitation behaviour falls under the Munchausen umbrella. People with body integrity identity disorder apparently have quite different magnetoencephalography scans (I learned in the last 2 minutes).
I feel like the only wrong belief to hold right now is any belief. Wait for the science to come in.
Arjen
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Come on, stop it with your logic, your blocking the dogpile
backflip10019
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Just for the future, know that gender =/= the sex organs you're born with.
I highly doubt you could be banned for that.
megatronium
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Sorry. Didn't mean to be unintelligent.
No I'm saying we should treat the mental illness, and not placate it. That much they should be covered for to the extent that they would otherwise be medically covered.
If they do manage to undergo amputation. They should not be covered by insurance for that, nor covered for complications directly related to it. They should not receive disability pay if they weren't receiving it already and their new disabled state would make someone eligible had suffered the trauma naturally.
I can see how my first comment lacked tack, because I was talking about there "embraced disability" not their mental illness. Which they should be covered for. But apparently I'm a social darwinist because I don't think they should be allowed to take advantage of society in the process of becoming who they want to become and checking out of being a productive member of society and receiving financial support at the same time.
Though I can totally agree with the argument that they are in the minority and pushing through policy may be more costly so we just bite the bullet.
jakonovski
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Getting a limb cut off is just as much a part of the illness as is the need to have it done. It makes zero sense to stop treatment at that point, unless you want to punish or discard the mentally ill for becoming too mentally ill.
Now, going after whoever does the cutting is an entirely different matter and one I won't touch with a ten feet pole.
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Once science catches up and allows people to become the assorted animals (and/or mythological creatures) that they are convinced they really are you will be eating your words, mister.
UncleSporky
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So if someone has this form of body dysphoria and sees the penis as a phantom limb that doesn't belong to them, and wants it removed not for gender dysphoria reasons but for this particular reason instead, then that's fine, because they can still work and don't require extra care?
CrimzonSamurai
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Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Well, I find it highly unlikely that someone would feel that their penis doesn't belong on their body without having an associated gender-related dysmorphia
jakonovski
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BTW this thread illustrates perfectly why the mentally ill get such bad treatment. People have huge trouble grasping these things rationally. Instead they prefer to jump between considering the ill person's actions impaired and unimpaired depending on what their primitive reactions dredge up.
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