GoldenEye 007
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I was thinking something similar. Not the hope part, to clarify. Good chance any politician at this level are shit in some ways. That's just reality. But yeah, incremental change is better than moving backwards full speed ahead.
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Bernie and Jane Sanders, under FBI investigation for bank fraud
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I was thinking something similar. Not the hope part, to clarify. Good chance any politician at this level are shit in some ways. That's just reality. But yeah, incremental change is better than moving backwards full speed ahead.
I'm saying that out of season attacks are not crazy at all and could happen. Hillary Clinton got attacked all the time in a similar way and that was in part because everyone knew she was going to run eventually. It's like you guys are selectively forgetting that one now.
For me, him getting impeached means and confirms the common believe that you have to be part of a super special club for many years to get anywhere in government. Otherwise there's...I guess we can call it push back from all angles.
So if Russia's goal was to get Americans to question their political system, I think they did it.
They sound corrupt if this is true (I have no idea if it is true or not). Hopefully, people won't be saying Bernie is holier than thou if he runs again in 2020. He is just another mediocre politician without too many accomplishments in his time in Washington. I don't really get what was all the hype about him was about.
Chained Prometheus
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Nailed it on the head. I voted for Bernie in the NC Primary last year very enthusiastically, but if he broke the law, that needs to be investigated and justice needs to be served.
Sometimes people need to be woke from their naive and immature worldview with hard life lessons. They are more use to me and this country when they actually have realistic expectations of our system of government. Your parallels point from your other post is shallow garbage and needs no addressing.
It seems you could've been a Bernie supporter and reasonable at the same time?! Who knew that politics wasn't all about lumping a bunch of people together and making assumptions!
ForkNetwork
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I liked Bernie.
My ex-girlfriend loved him and always talked about how he "kept always clean"
She must be devastated.
My ex-girlfriend loved him and always talked about how he "kept always clean"
She must be devastated.
HAHAHAHAHA
Confounding Factor
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Old news. Just another story so the MSM can smear Bernie after another centrist loss in embarrassing fashion in GA.
GoldenEye 007
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She was attacked dating back to the 1990s when she was not going to be a candidate. But she maintained high approvals through that. They started to tank only when she started running for president. But yes in general, any potential leader will be torn down as much as possible by the opposition.
We've survived impeachments and worse before as a country. The major difference here is the associated mass rejection of basic facts and information. And the continued desire to make as many people as possible suffer - mostly directed at minorities and poor people. The lack of critical thinking doesn't help either because some of those groups have been turned against each other (white poors/uneducated being the main culprits) as if they're the ones holding each other down. When it is mostly one party that's currently in power championing policies that consistently destroy them.
As for the presidency. Yeah, it is an exclusive club. It's incredibly difficult and expensive to get to that level. But if he were to get impeached, it would be because he's a criminal and abuser of power while being incompetent on how to run a government. That's on him 100%. Not some club keeping him out. He's already in the club.
You would think the parallels would cause at least some level of self-examination, but apparently not.
My hunch: The Sanders family is "wrong" in this instance in the same way Clinton was "wrong" about her e-mails.
Bill Clinton confirmed a political outsider.
Angelus Errare
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She first got attacked in the 80s as the First Lady in Arkansas for not being a "traditional wife" they've been at her ever since.
Autodidact
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I'm not hating tho
Bernie was a great chance for gateway drugging America into civilization but even European social liberals (center/center right) agreed and supported the guy.
That's why the purity test thing didn't make sense to me. He ain't passing any socialist (worldwide left) purity test lmao gtfo with that shit.
If he and Jane broke the law and did what he is accused of doing then the law needs to do it's work obviously. Progress has never been dependent on individuals.
GoldenEye 007
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Him being under FBI investigation is new news. Also, what are you even talking about with the GA special race?
Do you know why it was selected? Because it's a strong GOP district that hasn't seen a Democrat there in 40+ years (when Dems were the racist party in the south). It's a rich, white dominated district. Tell me how a leftist would have done better there.
The fact they had to spend 20 million dollars to defend it says a lot and is a good Dem showing. How do you not understand this?
Muppet of a Man
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Same here. Most Bernie supporters aren't hypocrites. If he did something wrong, it will come to light via this investigation. And I will accept the outcome regardless of what it is. Someone can have a really good message and generally be a good person yet still succumb to the temptations of bad things. Everyone is human after all. And if they do something wrong, they need to own up to it and be accountable for it.
broncobuster
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She had to take Bill's name and get a makeover to be 'accepted'
Regardless of the outcome of an investigation that is not in any way a form of guilt by definition, i don't think that it says anything about whether or not you telling people to vote for for the failing status quo or shut up has much merit.
I don't think there is anything they did as wrongdoing that will show up during the case, but if they did, the FBI investigation will illuminate that.
But again, it has nothing to do with whether or not you can talk down to other people about asking more from their politicians.
This is why in '05-'07, when people asked Obama if he'd be running, he lied and said no.
(It's also why I think the strongest nominee for '20 is the person following his lead.)
Pretty much yea. When it's convenient to attack leftists, some will happily take part in it. But not everyone seems to be which is good at least.
So what you're saying is that this FBI investigation assists you by fighting a political proxy war?
And btw if you're contesting the toxic part:
You're posts are full of fantasies of violence, constant name calling, and general hysteria. Not to mention your well known past of physically abusing others in real life because your mom interrupted your episode of South Park and that you
You should consider that there's many parallels that can be drawn between these extremely toxic people.
Angelus Errare
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Man they had ol girl using a fake Arkansas hick accent and shit lmao. She had to stop talking about politics and do pointless gestures like plugging in Christmas trees and shit. Had to fake it to make it for 40 years then when you make it they cry that you faked it.
Because the hardliners literally do not understand how our system of government works, as I said. It is so obvious whenever they attempt the armchair pundit gig.
As always, incapable of standing on your arguments you regurgitate nonsense to try to discredit the one making said points. Definition of ad hominem. Try harder and stop visiting voat
RiverShell
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Even if the allegations are found to be true those types will make up some conspiracy theory to cover him.
Oh yeah, I wonder if this is tied to why Bernie never showed his tax returns. I remember that awful campaign manager of his always delaying and promising to show the returns, eventually saying that only if Bernie wins would they show them, heh. Perhaps this is what they were hiding in them.
Psychoward
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The hottest of takes. "Embarrassing loss", have you looked at the district's record perchance?
It's kinda staggering how little dirt Obama had on him.
Obama once said the secret to being a black guy in America is: no sudden moves.
dang
Not really, as a black man he literally had to be perfect. Even then they made up shit
Being black means you work twice as hard for half as much
Yep.
It's already assumed they went through dudes tigerscout record to find dirt. The best they could was nothing compared to bernie.trump.and killary.
BlastProcessing
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I'm only happy that this type of elitist, white collar crime is actually being investigated. The basic facts of the case aren't in question. Jane Sanders lied on her loan application. It wasn't a small lie, it was an egregious lie. The bank should have caught that lie and should have denied the loan. It's curious that they did not. Jane Sanders then diverted over $500,000 to her daughters Woodworking School.
If this type of egregious rule bending, nepotism and exploitation by the powerful doesn't bother you, I don't know what to say, but this shit galls me. Watching the rich fuck over a school and walk away lining their families pockets with inside deals and their own pockets with a golden parachute is fucking infuriating.
You accuse others of only looking at this through the prism of the primaries, but have you yourself taken a step back and looked at this shit?
Psychoward
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Also yeah I voted for Bernie and got sick of his more... ardent supporters after the primaries but I don't want this to be anything true to get his diehards to "wake up".
It's time to stop thinking irrational people will stop acting irrational when confronted with more evidence. They'll double down and deflect, just like the Republican voter playbook. And in the end all we'll get is another damaged leftist politician.
It's time to stop thinking irrational people will stop acting irrational when confronted with more evidence. They'll double down and deflect, just like the Republican voter playbook. And in the end all we'll get is another damaged leftist politician.
GoldenEye 007
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True. He didn't have much legitimate dirt. Sure he was a Kenyan Muslim, but outside of that, there wasn't much to go on. I guess some pastor in Chicago he was associated with? I vaguely remember that being the extent of it.
Oh and socialist, shit on Constitution, etc., the usual for a generic Democrat.
You forget Bill Ayers
Crimson_Gold
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It hurts because it's true
Maybe you are right but a man has to hope there is a way to wake some people up. Otherwise this dark time we are in will seem really hopeless. If Bernie hardliners can be taught a hard lesson and understand how our government functions a bit better, then they can start being true allies of the cause.
And yes, given the danger this current reality poses to minorities and LGBT and marginalised groups of all sorts, scoring political points by any means necessary is sadly important.
Whompa02
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Don't worry, I'm sure both sides will have a reasonable level headed approach to this.
I'll just sit here in the middle with some popcorn.
There was a huge file they were ready to use against Bernie. Some of it just throwing shit at a wall, but other facts that would have obviously been quite damning to the average American voter. The man has skeletons like all candidates.
In a post Trump world, of course, such files seem comically tame by comparison. No one can compete with that monster.
One of em, but the woodworking half wasn't known.
LordofAllThatIsEvil
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True. All candidates have skeletons. Sanders' skeletons were so specifically repellent to WWC voters that a Trump win would have been considered likely. They matched up with Trump's perceived strengths quite nicely. Sanders would have been opened up like a soft peanut.
This Bernie would have won shit is just not true.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Guise stop
This is super weird news. I wasn't a Bernie stan, but I respect the guy. I'm also in no way suggesting anything wacky, but the timing and overall details are just plain weird.
Confounding Factor
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Yeah a lot of money was spent in Georgia and Ossoff still lost. It's pretty hilarious.
Democrats are a joke. Really our whole FPTP voting mechanism is trash, let a lone the fact we have 52 old men in suits deciding the fate of millions of Americans that could lose healthcare insurance.
I hope Trump completely dismantles our government somehow. It's gridlock by design and only cares for a small rich class.
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