EatinOlives
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How serious are you about politics if you're "tempted" to vote for a literal fascist just because some people on a message board talked to you in a way you didn't like?
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How serious are you about politics if you're "tempted" to vote for a literal fascist just because some people on a message board talked to you in a way you didn't like?
Yes, how childish and rude! Your desire to vote for a white nationalist to get back at people on the internet is totally rational by comparison!
Probably it's better for you to never post in political threads again.
Dash_Riprock
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^^^Thanks for exemplifying everything wrong with Bernie supporters.
SirClinksAlot
Member
No corruption was exposed. The DNC preferred Hillary, which shouldn't be shocking since she is a Democrat and Bernie is an independent who only joined the party he constantly rallies against in order to further his own career. Shocking.
You know what's childish? Voting for a racist fascist because people on message boards don't like your candidate.
Please don't do that. There are real people that would be affected by that.
UltimaPooh
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Neither is insulting the intelligence of a Bernie supporter... or lumping them in with a Tea Partier.
I mean you can easily go back to the first page of this thread and see the insults just being slung left and right by Hillary supporters.
Though it's nothing new. Dems and Repubs will both act smug and how could they ever be wrong about something or come off as insulting.
Tho I won't defend that poster's option to vote for Trump. It's better to just abstain from the Presidential part if you feel that strongly about it.
Acerac
Banned
In all fairness, most Americans don't live in battleground states.
I could vote for Trump and it wouldn't make one bit of difference. Hell, I may do it just for kicks; if he takes NY with or without me I think he's got the White House on lockdown, eh?
Melkezadek
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Do you realize how childish this sounds?
People aren't being attacked for being Bernie supporters. It's for having bullshit attitudes like this. This persecution complex is embarrassing. I voted for Bernie here in TN mind you.
Acerac
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Break it down for me.
I plan to vote logically for all elections that I can influence, I understand the gravity of local elections. Tell me how my vote for president matters in New York State.
UltimaPooh
Member
Then why don't you just not vote on the Presidential part of the ballot?
Aaronology
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You expect anyone to believe that someone who wants to vote for Trump and refers to people as "Hill-Shills" having "drank the Hillary Kool-Aid" actually cares about productive dialogue, ethics and corruption in politics?
Melkezadek
Member
Because voting is for grown ups, you don't do it "for kicks". You're feeling some type of way because someone made you feel bad on a message board.
If that isn't childish, I don't know what is.
Acerac
Banned
I guess it might save me 2 seconds of my life, but other than that I genuinely don't see any difference it could even conceivably make.
To my knowledge if New York State is in any doubt in November, Trump has already won. I've not seen a single path to his victory that includes it, and if he does win it, he's already won enough other states where it won't matter.
I'm voting logically on all decisions that I could influence, sorry for my immaturity.
"Oh, I think I'll vote for Brexit as a protest vote. That'll just send a message to the status quo. It's not like there's way Brevity will actually win."
ClosingADoor
Member
If enough people think like that, it does become a problem.
BlastProcessing
Member
Mandates are a thing. Every vote single vote that Trump loses by is a repudiation of him and a signal that his views don't have a place in the White House.
Your vote absolutely has influence.
UltimaPooh
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I get that New York is ticked to go to Hilary... and it most likely will. Ultimately though its up to you and whether or not actually voting Trump sits well with you. If you feel like that's a proper response to Bernie not being the Democratic nominee or whatever reason.
Don't even worry about the posters here and what they think. Do you think it's a wise decision to do it? Even if it didn't matter because Hilary will take the state... you still put your vote to Trump.
BinaryPork2737
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I agree. I usually don't agree with making generic insults until people actually posts/says/does something worth criticizing. Even then I try to avoid name calling most of the time. It doesn't foster conversations, it creates hostility in an environment that doesn't really need it, especially when the other major party has put forth people like Trump and Pence as its candidates. "Hill-shill" is just as childish as "Bernie stan." I can understand getting frustrated by it, but if you want to claim moral superiority to people, at least try not to do exactly what they're doing to you.
It doesn't help that the particular Sanders supporters that this thread is about are doing something as silly as a "fart in" with the bean supper.
If enough people think like that, maybe we can actually get a viable third party going?
Acerac
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Are you unaware of NYS's voting history, or how the electoral college works? I can't see anyone making this comparison otherwise.
Maybe we should make it so votes directly determine who is president, so instead of making it "feel" like they have influence they actually do.
I just really dislike the electoral college is all, it just makes me really apathetic with my presidential vote.
ClosingADoor
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I don't think people who vote "for kicks" on a candidate they don't actually want is a good base to built a new party on.
Melkezadek
Member
November 9, 2016: Trump WINS 2016 Election
Friend: Shit, I can't believe this is happening. I voted and made sure to tell all my friends to vote. Do you get a chance to vote, man?
Acerac:
God, people please please please don't do this with Trump. Voting isn't a joke, electing a president who is a racist, a fascist, incompetent, and does not have any desire to govern and will massively fuck the country and it's people on his train of self interest, isn't some game.
EatinOlives
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I live in Texas. Still voting for Hillary despite being in a Deep Red state, because one can never work toward a goal and call themselves involved in politics if they throw away their presidential election vote.
But then again maybe I'm too much of an optimist given I'm a naturalized citizen. I wasn't born with the right to vote, and it wasn't until 2013 that I was finally able to. I'm not taking it for granted and it's sad to see people who are.
No it just means the person whose policies and position you least agree with wins the election. That's how a FPTP system works. It's really not that hard to understand. Stop crying for a third party and join the party that most closely matches your interests. If there are things you significantly don't like about it, actually get involved in politics (i.e. do more than posting on message boards), get in conversations with people and see what changes you can encourage or develop.
Acerac
Banned
November 9, 2016: Trump WINS 2016 Elections
Friend: Shit, I can't believe this is happening. I voted and made sure to tell all my friends to vote. Do you get a chance to vote, man?
Acerac:
Do you not understand the electoral college? Or are you unaware of NY's voting history?
No, if enough people do it I mean, and by "it" I mean buck against a single part having hegemony over liberal policies, since the argument against third-party is often either playing "spoiler" or throwing your vote away since not enough other people will vote similarly.
WhateverItTakes
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"I wish Hill-shills would stop calling us Bernie-bros"
Just to show there is shit-slinging on both sides. And voting Trump won't make the Dems burn. It'll make your entire goddamn country burn, and all because the Democrats made some arguably questionable choices in how their party is run. Remember, no matter what problems you have with them, can you seriously justify the Republicans and Trump as the better choice, point by point, can you?
Sure, I guess I drunk that 'Hill-Gaf Kool-Aid' or whatever. I'm not American, I was just interested in the discussion here, but her supporters here convinced me that she is the right candidate. Her supporters have usually backed up their points from what I have seen, and talked a lot of sense.
Why wasn't it Bernie? I did like the guy at the start of the cycle, but then the narrative was driven to going against the establishment and railing on Hillary. The below sums up what I think:
Hillary played the game of politics smarter, and better. The argument she had an unfair advantage is asinine. She worked to make her connections and friends over the years, and of course they helped her when she needed it. That's politics. Meanwhile, Bernie threw Planned Parenthood under the bus when they didn't endorse him. In short, running for the nomination for a party that you only joined a year prior is probably not gonna go well for you.
That's all the conversation has been about. If your problem with the democratic party is that they're making an approach that maximises the chance of an election victory, then I don't really know what to say to you.
Melkezadek
Member
I lived in NY most of my life, so yea I understand.
Doesn't make it any less stupid and immature. If Trump wins your excuse it going to be "Well my vote didn't matter, so.."
Shit is weak. And with the attitude you've shown in this thread, I doubt very much you were run off in previous threads because you were a Bernie supporter.
They destroy me
To get a viable third party you'd need the third party to take over congress, get an amendment to change how voting works to allow for a viable third party, and then run for President.
Though a far left third party would only serve to hobble the democratic party and insure that every election going forward would be won by a republican. Only a centrist party could take votes from both sides.
Acerac
Banned
It's sad to me that you say that when I've clarified multiple times that I am voting on everything I could even theoretically have an influence over.
I do appreciate your conviction though, I wish I had the confidence you had in our presidential selection process. I will admit, when I started following elections I certainly had that vigor in me, perhaps it's just seeing the process repeatedly that has worn on me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dHgeV9zMCI&t=80s
It's an action so comical that it's literally the setup for a joke.
This would be solved by Instant Runoff Voting, but as you hinted at we'll probably never see that.
I think a lot of people sit out cycles for the same reason. It's probably why Democrats only show up for Presidental elections: it's just so tiring to follow and stay informed and stay optimistic.
jack_package_200
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Maybe it was a satirical post?
Acerac
Banned
If Trump wins by one vote solely because I made it in NYS, and didn't need those electoral votes to get past the post, no, my vote wouldn't have made a difference. I get what you're saying, but mathematically it wouldn't have.
I think I'd consider myself less of a Bernie supporter and more of somebody who is sick of seeing his supporters constantly shit upon for no decent reason? If anything it's the electoral college that pisses me off, take that out of the equation and we wouldn't have this entire petty debate.
Acerac
Banned
http://www.270towin.com/states/New_York
I think this'll be the last time I reply to one of these posts. They have seemed less than educated about the situation.
Fuck sitting out, I'm voting in local elections. It's just that that's the only ones where my vote matters because of the state I live in.
That's all.
Melkezadek
Member
Honestly, even when I was 100% on Bernie I didn't see anyone shitting on supporters for no reason. Harmless ribbing at best in the early primary, but nothing awful. It wasn't until he had no path to victory and supporters starting to stink up every thread with "But GAF told me Bernie had no chance!" that it became so one-sided. Now even moreso because Bernie has already endorsed Hillary.
The party is trying to unify now to win in November and people are STILL being babies about it. It's counter productive and damaging in the long run.
never understood this by the way.
It may be morally a good idea for me to become a doctor, but if everyone became a doctor we would have chaos.
Acerac
Banned
Reread the first page of the thread, that's par for the course in nearly every political thread we've had here for months.
Now, if you want to say that it is now justified to mock these people I suppose that's a different debate to be had, but even then many of the jokes come across as hollow at best.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
yeah, you're above it all using those terms
Even if everything you've said is true, you still haven't provided a valid reason to vote the way you are besides immaturity. I would love a justification besides 'it doesn't matter' for taking the shittiest action you can in that box.
Melkezadek
Member
None of the comments on the first page are for Bernie supporters who are now on board to vote in November. They are for supporters who are still in this "Bernie or Bust" bullshit. It's over. Move on.
That isn't to say HillGAF are guilt-less in their mud-slinging, but trying to paint Sanders supporters as innocent is straight bullshit.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
LOL
jack_package_200
Banned
One distinction:
Bernie Supporters heed his words.
Bernie-or-Busters are a different breed. They claim that they're serious about his issues and movement, but they're willing to condemn it to death if they don't get precisely what they want.
We see these groups being used interchangeably all the time, often in disingenuous ways.
Bernie Supporters heed his words.
Bernie-or-Busters are a different breed. They claim that they're serious about his issues and movement, but they're willing to condemn it to death if they don't get precisely what they want.
We see these groups being used interchangeably all the time, often in disingenuous ways.
Acerac
Banned
I don't need justification to make decisions that don't have any influence over anything.
I ain't got a justification for why I prefer Cheerios over Corn Flakes either.
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