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Let's go over this part by part.
We're talking damage to Bernie the man as opposed to the Democratic party. Him being a sore loser or whatever has absolutely nothing to do with the Democratic Party at the moment. He's only hurting himself and people's perception of him. I came into the 2016 race with a rather favorable opinion of Bernie. I liked the guy. I wasn't going to vote for him, but I had no issues with him. He's managed to tarnish that opinion, and I'm not the only one who feels that way.
Well, we actually didn't have a fillibuster proof majoriy for as long as people thinkw e did. However, "Democrat" is not some monolithic group of people, even in the Senate. You have people from different ideological backgrounds. Part of being a leader is getting people to support your position, no question. However, single payer was simply not going to pass, when we couldn't even get a public option through. The votes weren't there, and magically electing Bernie Sanders isn't going to make the votes appear, either...especially when no one in the Senate has endorsed him.
But you don't get to move the goal posts like that. The data breach was effing stupid. The guy was fired. That's great. The thing Bernie's campaign fails to realize is that the person who wins the argument isn't always the person who is 100% right, especially in politics. Optics matter. This came about at a time when he was trying to show the Democratic party he was a serious member, and was here to support the goings on. And what did he do? Sue the party for a 24 hour loss of access to data that was restored once we were sure they couldn't access the data anymore.
Now, he's continuing the issue (even though it's really a non-story at this point) at a time where his only path to victory is to somehow get the Super Delegates to go against the person with the popular vote and delegate vote total and to support him. You know, the Suepr Delegates that he spent months bitching about, but now suddenly wants to woo because it's his only shot. Those Delegates are members of the Democratic Party and he should, therefore, be slightly concerned with the optics and perception of the entire thing.
It's actually about who can win and further the progressive agenda. The best and only way, for that to happen is through the Democratic party. That's why Bernie ran as a Democrat. Well, that and he knew he could make more money if he did.
Bernie being a sore loser, being petulant, being an independent up until recently, or anything else people have complained about has not caused nearly as much damage as the Democratic Party giving lip service to liberal issues while getting cozy with the rich.
We're talking damage to Bernie the man as opposed to the Democratic party. Him being a sore loser or whatever has absolutely nothing to do with the Democratic Party at the moment. He's only hurting himself and people's perception of him. I came into the 2016 race with a rather favorable opinion of Bernie. I liked the guy. I wasn't going to vote for him, but I had no issues with him. He's managed to tarnish that opinion, and I'm not the only one who feels that way.
Health care? Even the version of the ACA with a public option got nixed fast. And to say it's because of Republicans is missing the story. Every Republican in the House and Senate voted against the version of the ACA that did pass and it still passed. That proves the Democrats didn't need to please any Republicans to get it passed. Yet they STILL voted in a bill that made health insurance companies even stronger. Even with the GOP too few in number to stop the Democrats, the Democrats still didn't pass single payor. So it rings hollow when the Democrats say Bernie's plan can't pass. They had a supermajority and chose not to even push it. Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining. Lives could be saved if we didn't put profit before health. But nope. Let's get hung up on a Bernie Staffer copying tables while a firewall is down and a lawsuit he filed, resulting in zero deaths. Great sense of priorities.
Well, we actually didn't have a fillibuster proof majoriy for as long as people thinkw e did. However, "Democrat" is not some monolithic group of people, even in the Senate. You have people from different ideological backgrounds. Part of being a leader is getting people to support your position, no question. However, single payer was simply not going to pass, when we couldn't even get a public option through. The votes weren't there, and magically electing Bernie Sanders isn't going to make the votes appear, either...especially when no one in the Senate has endorsed him.
But you don't get to move the goal posts like that. The data breach was effing stupid. The guy was fired. That's great. The thing Bernie's campaign fails to realize is that the person who wins the argument isn't always the person who is 100% right, especially in politics. Optics matter. This came about at a time when he was trying to show the Democratic party he was a serious member, and was here to support the goings on. And what did he do? Sue the party for a 24 hour loss of access to data that was restored once we were sure they couldn't access the data anymore.
Now, he's continuing the issue (even though it's really a non-story at this point) at a time where his only path to victory is to somehow get the Super Delegates to go against the person with the popular vote and delegate vote total and to support him. You know, the Suepr Delegates that he spent months bitching about, but now suddenly wants to woo because it's his only shot. Those Delegates are members of the Democratic Party and he should, therefore, be slightly concerned with the optics and perception of the entire thing.
Get your priorities right. It's about the people, not your party.
It's actually about who can win and further the progressive agenda. The best and only way, for that to happen is through the Democratic party. That's why Bernie ran as a Democrat. Well, that and he knew he could make more money if he did.