TheLaughingStock
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Democrats Are Desperate for Bernie Sanders' Email List
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whyamihere
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Anyways, we've spent a lot of time talking about two complete losers who will never be president.
What in the hell? Are we looking at two different Democratic parties?
Carpe Libertatem
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I'm not sure this means what you think it means.
jack_package_200
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I agree. Its just kind of frustrating. Real lives are at stake and we are still stuck in 2016 dealing with hurt feelings.
Carpe Libertatem
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The DNC didn't earn the e-mail list. Or something. That's what I've gathered from most.
Well...yeah. Chris Rock's line on that SNL skit about it after the election: "Replacing a charamastic 40 year old black guy, with a 70 year old white woman. That's like the Knicks replacing Patrick Ewing with Neil Patrick Harris."
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc
OrangeGrayBlue
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The flaw of that theory is in thinking Cruz or Trump's views are seen as "extreme". I think Jeb, Kasich, O'Malley etc prove that there is no appetite for a "moderate" candidate on either side any more. Both sides want ideologues.
excelsiorlef
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That really doesn't make sense as a comparison
UnemployedVillain
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Yeah, I don't get all the ridicule and incredulity in this thread. It seems pretty obvious that they'd want his list, and considering that he basically ran as a Democrat and presumably works a lot with it's party members, from a legislative perspective, I don't see the problem with them sharing resources or collaborating.
CoffeeJanitor
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Let's be real
There were a lot of Hillary supporters here that were pretty biased and had a tendency to shout down other posters during the campaign last year
it's my humble observation that this is still happening
like, why people. why
There were a lot of Hillary supporters here that were pretty biased and had a tendency to shout down other posters during the campaign last year
it's my humble observation that this is still happening
like, why people. why
whyamihere
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Oh definitely. I'm just saying that it wasn't some nefarious backfire that was another example of the DNC's incompetence. It just was like, trying to saying Jeb or Marco were just as extreme as the rest of their party. Which is a fine campaign decision? Though it became clear relative early that lol Jeb and Rubio's 3-2-2-4-5-4-1!-6-4 strategy was lol.
The reverse is also true.
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Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
A email list is not that hard to make..... at all.
The issue is would people want your email? Which is usually no unless they signed up for it directly..... also fun fact most people let emails go to spam unless its work related or from a personal acquaintance.
The issue is would people want your email? Which is usually no unless they signed up for it directly..... also fun fact most people let emails go to spam unless its work related or from a personal acquaintance.
whyamihere
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Yeah, I mean, there are downticket candidates who need it and the energy is there.
Though maybe it'd be better to have Bernie send an email to his donor list about said candidates.
Rentahamster
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Did I take the quote out of context? Does it require extra context to spin that strategy to look like it wasn't actually a mistake? A lot of other publications seem to view it similarly.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428
https://medium.com/@CaptainStack/if...-it-should-bother-you-cf470429885d#.1wo6grzdk
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/11/elevating-trump/
jack_package_200
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Yes there was bad behavior on both sides. Can we just get over hurt feelings and move the fuck on?
This is the correct mindset.
It's shameful. What makes it even more disappointing is most here still have yet to realize that. And as long as that mindset continues, the GOP will continue their rise in power corruption while this country keeps becoming fascist by the day.
How though? It's just a bunch of names. I'd be surprised if half the names aren't already on the dnc list.
Having the list isn't going to tell the dnc how not to suck at being a political party.
Relevant I say https://youtu.be/h2wcUGeHnT0 Pelosi has way overstayed her welcome as an example. Reorganize around Warren and Bernie ffs. As was said earlier, DNC should give their lists to them.
whyamihere
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The Politico article you linked does not say the thing you think it does.
A medium article is not a "publication".
Again, you have failed to understand the strategy, you've completely overstated its effects, you've overestimating the competency of the DNC, and you've taken an innocuous strategy and turned it into yet another dastardly mistake of the simultaneously cunning-yet-incompetent DNC. It's been explained to you multiple times what this strategy entails, and if you want to put your fingers in your ears while screaming READ THE EMAILS!!! without understanding any context, then I feel bad for you.
This is how I feel, let someone who is trusted by the people on the list utilize the list to find common objectives. I don't need dnc and Daily Kos and whoever else sending me sensationalist emails asking for money and to sign online petitions four times per day.
shinra-bansho
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The truth shall set you free.
To understand demographics of different regions and position candidates that would suit those demographics.
If that list shows that Region X in Pennsylvania have been hankering for some Bernie like candidate, then they will know that information and try to run progressive candidates in that region for local elections.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I think that's the rub, here. Having the list is one thing. Using it in a way that engages voters instead of spamming people about fundraising deadlines is another.
Carpe Libertatem
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Email lists are much more than just names and emails. Can have things like demographic data, location, interests, etc
But yeah, the vast majority of the names in the list are probably also on DNC lists. I've said that multiple times in this thread. The important part is the people that are on Bernie's list but not the DNC'S. This is in all likelihood a small number, but it's an incredibly important one. Bernie not sharing that with the DNC is detrimental to his goal of advancing progressive politics, in addition to being just plain selfish. Especially since he doesn't need voters in states other than Vermont in the future, unless he runs for president in 2020 (he won't)
Warren and Bernie are not a unit.
I'd bet money that Warren would more likely work with Franken than Bernie at this point.
CoffeeJanitor
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to anyone asking why would the dnc want a list of potential supporters
like what? did you even read the above sentence?
what?
like what? did you even read the above sentence?
what?
You realize the Democratic Party is much larger than the senate. You oust Pelosi, minority leader in the house, to then focus on two Senators who are not in the house.....?
whyamihere
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Sort of agreed. My guess is it's a similar list, but there's an urgency in terms of finding those voters who might not be on anyone's radar who live in swing districts.
That's a fine choice as well. Get Dems that will straight up call shit out and power up.
I'm just picking on people that are visible since they represent what the masses see.
wesleyshark
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10/10
OrangeGrayBlue
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It makes perfect sense. I think the issue people are having is that the dems seem more pressed about being given this list rather than earnestly garnering the support of these voters. "If you build it, they will come" is markedly different from "If someone else builds it and then they give it to you, a few might bite"
Rentahamster
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Yes it does. Maybe you're the one not understanding my point.
Irrelevant semantic argument.
The strawman here is quite strong indeed, intentionally imagined or not.
Agreed on that. Dems have been labeled as "spineless" for way too long.
Well the Democratic Party can't retool its campaigning, fundraising, recruiting and organizing apparatus until they elect a new party chair, which isn't happening until the end of the month. So until that happens, no, they can't really do anything to correct the reasons why they didn't win. That doesn't mean there aren't people working hard to identify and act on those reasons.
Pelosi is very good at her job, and the people who think she needs to be ousted usually can't give me a reason as to why other than she's been there a long time.
UnemployedVillain
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Based on what? Do you seem them still pushing Hilary Clinton? Do you see them shunning Sanders? Are they not being vocal about Trumps appointments? Are they not looking for a new DNC chair? What have they done that shows they're not trying to earn it?
Youre gonna need a long term strategy if picking on people = kick them out. All democrats are not going to be vocal
about the same things the same way. That's a reality of different people representing different parts of the country. The question now should be what to do with what's available, not look to purge a group that's already in the minority while those in power do everything in their power to make people's lives worse.
According to the Sanders camp, the DNC hasn't even asked for the list, so this is a whole lot of nothing right now.
I've been wondering about that conclusion as well since it's pretty prominent throughout most of this thread. How is anyone coming to the conclusion that democrats are sitting on their hands waiting for someone to give them the magic book of answers, or in this case email list.
TyphoonStruggle
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Why are we still having the Hillary V Bernie arguments?
We already know who lost big time and who's pertinent right now. That immediately invalidates like 85% of opinions here.
We already know who lost big time and who's pertinent right now. That immediately invalidates like 85% of opinions here.
The people who are looking to lead the party are out in the field trying to do exactly that. Trying to get Bernie's email list has not been the one and only thing that DNC has been doing over the last three months.
They both lost.
UnemployedVillain
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listen to the mad man
You are suggesting replacing the head of the Democrats in the house (not actually their campaign head for either house or senate, and not in any sense a leader of the party in terms of recruitment, and not remotely anyone concerned with the presidency) with two Senators, and it's not even clear those two Senators would be interested in working together, also all three of the people being discussed are one foot in the grave due to age. This doesn't seem like a very thought through plan.
It's not a question of Democrats being immobile. They're not.
But they are making a lot of the wrong moves. They're failing to read both their base AND the Republican party they're opposing.
Democrats in Congress are desperately trying to play politics as usual. We give a little here, you'll give a little there. We'll work with you where we can and gently oppose you where we can't. We'll all play by the established rules and respect norms.
Meanwhile, Republicans have shown no intention of working with Democrats on anything or playing by the established rules. At the same time, liberals are literally marching in the streets while Democrats in Congress stay silent or give sideline support because they're too afraid of being painted as obstructionist by a demographic that already hates their guts regardless.
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