Ah well then my bad. *supporters* then. Still originated from the Clinton side.
So a candidate should be judged by their most racist supporters, you say?
I don't think that would look good for Bernie.
Ah well then my bad. *supporters* then. Still originated from the Clinton side.
As I understand it, the campaign did what they were supposed to do and turned off their access and fired the guy. Then they notified the DNC what had happened. Instead of confirming and acknowledging they had done right by the DNC, they just let them sit without access for a day. That basically stopped their campaign in its tracks.
It's unhelpful. And it's unlawful. It's a breach of contract. Sanders' campaign is doing the right thing, which is not always the best thing.
What a way to stifle conversation here.
However, the access logs do show that Sanders staff pulled not one but multiple listsnot searches, but listsa fact that shows intent to export and use. And the lists were highly sensitive material. News reports have indicated that the data was sent to personal folders of the campaign staffersbut those refer to personal folders within NGPVAN, which are near useless without the ability to export the data locally.
Even without being able to export, however, merely seeing the topline numbers of, say, how many voters the Clinton campaign had managed to bank as strong yes votes would be a valuable piece of oppo. While its not the dramatic problem that a data export would have been, its undeniable that the Sanders campaign gleaned valuable information from the toplines alone. Its also quite clear that most of the statements the Sanders campaign made as the story progressedfrom the claim that the staffers only did it to prove the security breach, or that only one staffer had accesswere simply not true. Its just not clear at this point whether the campaigns comms people knew the truth and lied, or whether they were not being told the whole truth by the people on the data team who were still making up stories and excuses to cover their tracks. I suspect the latter.
Still, the Sanders camps reactions have been laughable. It was their team that unethically breached Clintons data. It was their comms people who spoke falsely about what happened. The Sanders campaign wasnt honeypotted into doing ittheir people did it of their own accord. NGPVAN isnt set up to benefit Clinton at Sanders expenseand if the violation by the campaigns had been reversed, Sanders supporters would have been claiming a conspiracy from sunrise to sundown. Whats very clear is that the Clinton camp did nothing wrong in any of this. Sanders campaign operatives did, and then Wasserman-Schultz compounded it by overreacting. And in the end, the right thing ended up happening: the lead staffer in question was fired, and the campaign got its data access back.
such a perfect GIF
Kind of like how a fair few Sanders supporters engage in racism and harassing non-white critics of Bernie
I didn't say Clinton had anything to do with it, but I'm quite sure she didn't mind it happening.
Well, since you implied that the DNC and/or Hillary planted someone in his campaign to get him in trouble, you would surely supply me with implications and shady business of that like?
Success compared to what everyone, including Bernie himself, probably thought he would achieve when he jumped into the race.
Well this party isn't unifying anytime soon, is it?
Shame, I supported Sanders, but at some point we need to unify. The political process sucks, yes, but you decided to play the game.
Keep moving that goalpost.Ah well then my bad. *supporters* then. Still originated from the Clinton side.
I never said anywhere in my post specifically that said person was planted. What I said was that the person himself, on his own, was likely not fully vetted before being given the recommendation. It's not exactly clear why the person gained access and was downloading the lists, but regardless, the Sanders' campaign knew he was doing wrong and did what was necessary to remove him.
I haven't responded to his stuff because unlike him I'm not trying to put words in others' mouths.
Exactly. They did everything they could to the letter, and still paid for it.
he was never part of the Party before trying to tag along the Democratic Primaries
- Sanders appoints Secretary of Homeland SecurityIn that case, what confidence should I have in a campaign that didn't properly vet this person?
Bernie lucked out that he was the only legit opponent who ran against Hillary. There is a large enough anti-Hillary crowd that they were going to rally around someone.
If Warren and/or Biden had run, Bernie would still be polling at less than 5% today.
Keep moving that goalpost.
Therefore Hillary is trump
He was part of the democratic caucus in the Senate. He voted with the democrats the majority of the time. He was pretty much already a democrat.
This guy is even more of an embarrassment than I first believed. Your campaign fucked up and got rightly punished for it. More like lightly punished really. You are crying because you lost 1 day worth of access after stealing your competitor's data? Get fucked seriously. Hope this lawsuit causes his supporters to wake up and see this man for the fraud he is. Can we just kick him from the party already? He obviously cares nothing for the party, just his own goals and ego. He's been a waste from the start and this pretty much cements that. Get out Bernie!
He's only joined the caucus because he would be absolutely irrelevant in the Senate otherwise. Surprise surprise, Bernie only wants to be part of the Democrats when it benefits himself.
It's been a stickler for years about how he wouldn't actually do anything to help the party nationally or in Vermont.
This lawsuit will make him stronger, I love that he's doing it. The DNC is garbage, get rekt.
The [voter database] Agreement does not permit the Defendant to suspend or terminate service to Plaintiff in the absence of ten days written notice to Plaintiff, and Plaintiffs failure to cure any breach or default within a period of ten days.
In that case, what confidence should I have in a campaign that didn't properly vet this person?
How, exactly, am I trying to put words in your mouth?
I'm responding to you because I actually like your enthusiastic Bernie posts (although I think you could get better at both assessing political realities and Magic card design) and I'm honestly disappointed that you're taking a position that requires you to discard any concerns about ethics or integrity and care only that your candidate wins.
I expect that from lots of people in this thread, but I expected better of you!
If you really want to argue that it's totally moral to take advantage of the security breach because the contract didn't explicitly say you're not supposed to steal other people's data, then, I mean, you do you, but I am honestly disappointed in that position.
Are you suggesting that they just did whatever the establishment told them to do?
Clinton didn't start the birther movement. That was on shitheads who couldn't handle that she lost to Obama.
The worst you could say about her regarding that election was that she didn't deny the birther theory enough, and one of her strategist tried to paint Obama as not American enough to run the country.
I do not love it at all - it just stresses me out that it could lead to an overall Trump victory.
Makes him look pretty petty.
I do not love it at all - it just stresses me out that it could lead to an overall Trump victory.
He is a petty man. After getting spanked in the south, calling southerns stupid.
That is what is great about Bernie, he is bringing people who usually don't care about politics to politics. People are learning you can't expect for that 99% who did not care about politics before to know any specifics. Bernie's revolution is about bringing people into the political process and I think he is doing a great job.
He is a petty man. After getting spanked in the south, calling southerns stupid.
Watch everyone ignore thishttp://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/bernie-sanders-sues-dnc-lawsuit-voters-data-access
Here's a better link.
Looks like today was the deadline to file or have their case thrown out, but are independently 'cordially' working it out with the DNC. This was just a technicality to leave the threat of a suit a part of the negotiation.
In that case, what confidence should I have in a campaign that didn't properly vet this person?
he was never part of the Party before trying to tag along the Democratic Primaries
Joking post? If you believe immigrants and minorities would vote for Trump then I don't know what to say.
Joking post? If you believe immigrants and minorities would vote for Trump then I don't know what to say.
Democracy worked. Just like when Ralph Nader "stole" votes. Don't take voters for granted.
The only way Comrade Bernie can get any attention is to sue his own overseers.This lawsuit will make him stronger, I love that he's doing it. The DNC is garbage, get rekt.
Ah well then my bad. *supporters* then. Still originated from the Clinton side.
wow, you democrats are weird.