Frozenprince
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His popularity transcends humanity
Hope he runs in 2020
Y'all need to reign that shit in.
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Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in America, Poll Says
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Y'all need to reign that shit in.
VendettaRed07
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If people disagree with it then they can post alternative polls that disprove it if they don't like this ones method instead of pointless bickering
Frozenprince
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LOL okay yeah no this poll ain't shit then.
It's quite literally "The backup QB is always the most popular player on the team" extrapolated to politics.
kitsunelaine
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People have literally done that in this thread but okay.
Father_Brain
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Where? Literally every poll I've seen on Sanders' favorability since the election has shown extremely similar numbers.
I agree. DNC shot themselves in the foot pushing clinton on us as hard as they could.
ShironRedshift
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From your talk of whether people want to believe the poll or not, I assume you're already familiar with its flaws. If this is mistaken see:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=246924284
That said, assuming you are indeed familiar with it, then "probably true"? Would sure be nice if there was a way to actually know though... Like, say, making sure all potential popular choices, like say Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, etc, were all included instead of deliberately excluding them. Since we don't, useless. That ain't the way data or facts works. You can't claim something is "probably" true or not when there are no facts to support it either way.
Why WOULD you, or anyone, believe such a shoddily constructed poll, anyway? Would you believe a poll that found that Trump was "the most popular politician in the country" that had only himself and Pence as options? Why is this any different?
Before talking about why this is, as you put it, perhaps we should make sure if it's even the case to begin with.
Gnome Scat
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Soros paid for that bird.
Unknown Soldier
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They shot the entire country, and in fact the entire planet and all of humanity, in the foot.
Father_Brain
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Killa Sasa
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Guys
Just vote D next time around as long as it's not Hitler 2. Doesn't really matter who.
Thanks,
The rest of the world who ain't here for this shit
Just vote D next time around as long as it's not Hitler 2. Doesn't really matter who.
Thanks,
The rest of the world who ain't here for this shit
Galactic Barret
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No, they haven't.
You have one poll from 4 years ago.
Its displacement. Since he went after her and the DNC, he's to blame for her exploited flaws, controversy and Trump's win. I get it, but its wrong.
LizardKing
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I'll tell you one thing, the DNC needs to change it's primary rules. I know it sucks and even undemocratic but states like Texas, Louisana, Mississippi etc. should not be considered the same in deciding who the Dem nominee is as blue/swing states. States need to be weighted based on how much they voted Dem in previous general election. Hell maybe even weigh the swing states the most.
TwiztidElf
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GAF's hatred of Bernie is puzzling to me.
ShironRedshift
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And this:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=246924284
This poll ain't shit and says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about how popular Sanders is or isn't because of how shoddily constructed that is. Unless you think a poll that would conclude that Trump is the most popular politician in the country that only included him and Pence as options would also be a good survey question/source of data, then why would you think this is or that this means anything at all? I don't get it.
There's nothing to disprove or Ned counter-polls for or anything since there isn't any proof to begin with. That isn't how burden of proof works.
Unknown Soldier
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Not if you were around GAF in 2016. GAF hating Bernie is completely expected and predictable, because literally nothing has changed since last year.
SolicitorPirate
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Father_Brain
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Can you point to a single poll since, let's say December of last year, that shows significantly different favorability numbers for Sanders? I'm betting you can't.
poppedcollar69
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Yas qween
Sorry if I'm late with that
Sorry if I'm late with that
LizardKing
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Yet most are fans of the same systems that are in place in European countries. Hmm...
ShironRedshift
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What kind of fucking anti-democratic nonsense is this? People's votes should count more/less based on where they live? The electoral college is bad enough as it is, we don't need to double down on it! Y'know, the whole reason Trump is in the White House in the first place despite LOSING the popular vote. Seriously, what is this...?
Beerman462
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It's not the mythical GAF, it's core Hillary supporters that thought(like the DNC) that if they pushed Hillary into the general that "Dems" would fall in line. The 1 in 10 Bernie supporters voting for Trump are nothing compared to the number of Dems that sat out the election due to apathy or anger.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Sanders has "it". I don't think he'd wither that much from oppo droppo, tbh.
Do you mean hate, or just not support? Are those the same things?
I think the lack of support is just people who were excited about Hillary and had been since her run in 2008. I know a lot of people who came out of that 2008 primary thinking "I'm so glad we have two great candidates. 8 years of this guy, then 8 years of her. Its easy!" He kinda threw a wrench in that i.e. I think it probably would have been easier if he decided to run a "you're all corrupt and evil" campaign against the DNC this year. I think he DID run it this year because he also thought she was such a shoe-in it wouldn't hurt her that much if he did.
Good. Bernie will be a valuable asset for the Dems in 2018, particularly in more "economically anxious" districts.
This is a fucking terrible, borderline racist idea that would only accomplish disenfranchising wide swaths of key voting blocs of the Democratic party. Namely: minorities.
Even dumb, poorly implemented stuff like closed primaries accomplish this goal better than kicking out black people from the party.
My wish list is: ban all caucuses, no goddamn superdelegates, closed primaries (but you must be able to register same day), all 50 states primary on the same day.
This is a fucking terrible, borderline racist idea that would only accomplish disenfranchising wide swaths of key voting blocs of the Democratic party. Namely: minorities.
Even dumb, poorly implemented stuff like closed primaries accomplish this goal better than kicking out black people from the party.
My wish list is: ban all caucuses, no goddamn superdelegates, closed primaries (but you must be able to register same day), all 50 states primary on the same day.
Galactic Barret
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Where are the counter polls showing that he isn't the most popular, then? If you have a better-conducted poll, showing a different result, lets see it.
This is an admittedly imperfect validation that Bernie's popularity would have given him the win, and that seems to rub people the wrong way. Hell, this isn't even the first poll saying this.
LizardKing
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This is not the vote for president this is the vote for a party nominee. It can be as democratic or undemocratic as they like. Before 1968 people didn't even vote for the nominee, they were just chosen by the party.
jack_package_200
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Frozenprince
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"Lol GAF hates Bernie"
No. Not really. Dislike his solution to problems sure.
We mostly are exhausted of y'all who won't shut the hell up about this for five minutes and accept he lost.
No. Not really. Dislike his solution to problems sure.
We mostly are exhausted of y'all who won't shut the hell up about this for five minutes and accept he lost.
The fucking irony in play here.
old manatee
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I went to Bernie's bakery in Brattleboro Vermont and tried to buy a bear claw and a cannoli, but I was a dime short, but Bernie let me work it off by washing dishes in the kitchen. He was a fair employer.
SolicitorPirate
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And Bernie Sanders, the man who spent the vast majority of the primary antagonizing the party he would have had to work with if he was president, was the one who was going to magically uproot all the entrenched systems in place in the US and transplant them with something entirely new and most definitely better? This is exactly the utopian bullshit I was talking about!
AcceptableGhost
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Utopian? Are you fucking serious?
That's not a good thing.
Hierophant
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You can tell how far to the right America is when Bernie Sander's ideas are considered utopian.
jack_package_200
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I don't see how its ironic. After November 8th, the people who supported Hillary accepted that while there were issues outside her control (unfair media coverage, Russia) but she and her campaign made serious miscalculations in strategy that cost them the white house.
Meanwhile the "DNC rigged the primary/Bernie was a perfect saint" shit is still continuing.
Galactic Barret
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Is this serious?
We've been talking about how Hillary, more likely than not, lost because of Russian interference for months now, but this is exhausting? This bias is unbecoming.
I don't think anyone blames Hillary, just the committee.
Frozenprince
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This is the first time I've posted in a "The 2016 democratic primary round 15" thread in ages. Because it's exhausting.
Hilary lost, for a myriad of reasons and confluence of factors. Bernie lost, for a myriad of reasons and a confluence of factors.
Let. It. Fucking. Go.
There's a clear contingent on this website determined to blame Hilary Clinton and whitewash the primary and the follies at work with his campaign TODAY.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1423432
LizardKing
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Well looking at Dems before 1968 and after..... I'm not saying to go back to that though. But there clearly needs to be some sort of compromise because letting people who won't decide your president, decide your candidate, is not a very good system either. It's not good for the party or the country.
Edit: The real solution here is to abolish the electoral college and this fixes itself. But until that happens....
Father_Brain
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Yeah, I wish. Some have acknowledged the bolded, but there are still far, far too many HRC apologists seeking to pin the election outcome entirely on factors outside her control.
I will agree that the rigged primary shit is dumb and people should cut that out, though. The DNC was clearly biased towards Clinton, but nothing they did would have been enough to change the outcome.
And_Gignac
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Whites are like 65% of the population in the US. The demo is fine.
Multiple polls confirm he is the most popular politician. You may want to fight reality, perhaps?
And damn a lot of liberal salt in this thread. 2020 cant come soon enough.
LizardKing
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Frankly, this is right wing brainwashing at work. Thanks for playing into their hands. You're right shit won't ever change if everyone had this attitude.
Dudes policies were lukewarm at best yankee, in most other countries they'd be unremarkable or the status quo. I'm sorry you're confused because they're just so damn hot compared to the shit you normally get served but nothing he supported was really out there. Sad thing about Bernie was that he was proposing might have been radical stuff for Americans but compared to what other countries have or want to do it's just catch up.
What you're saying is just not true. Even less on Neogaf. You only have to look at the daily threads remarking on the topic.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Who?
Seriously, Who?
You will be giving some examples too I suppose?
neurosisxeno
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The bigger story here is that 53% of the people said they approved of the way Trump has handled the Economy so far...
HE HASN'T FUCKING DONE ANYTHING!/@$>
Also that 56% of people said Congress should vote against raising the debt ceiling which is just about the craziest thing I've ever heard.
HE HASN'T FUCKING DONE ANYTHING!/@$>
Also that 56% of people said Congress should vote against raising the debt ceiling which is just about the craziest thing I've ever heard.
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