Bernie stan: Bernie Will Win the Nomination and Presidency in a Landslide

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cheezcake said:
Oh k I'll bite. Where did this Bernie Sanders is racist thing come from?
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As far as I can recall it, it isn't so much than Bernie is a racist. It's more that some of his supporters were seen acting that way in the period where BLM was protesting a lot of Democratic events to get the candidates to talk about their issues.
 
This is an H.A. Goodman article, right? I don't even need to read anything to guess that. Just a sensational title and a link to huffpost.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Yes, i went there. If a person is going to throw their sword down to support someone like Hillary over the facts, who is the very nature of the beast called money in politics, i will say that principles are not something that person has.

Unless said person is coming mentally clean into the voting season thinking that everyone is just playing fair and there's no such thing as influencing factors like special interest money, or corporate favors, or media narratives based on who owns what and has stakes in who, i will say that voting for Hillary or the GOP right now is essentially perpetuating a system of governance that turns ever closer towards fascism and oligarchy.

I. am. not. kidding.
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This is absolute garbage.
 
Cagey said:
This GAF "supporters of the candidate I don't support are racist, evidenced by a small selection of Reddit shitheads, because I need to find a way of morally denigrating them for disagreeing with me and establish my camp as morally superior" meme pushed by some posters won't ever die huh.

Just brutal.
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Sorry buddy, but I'm not going to forget the shitty behavior I saw displayed by his supporters toward black people who didn't get on board with him. Just like I haven't forgotten the shit Hillary, Bill, and her supporters pulled against Obama during the 2008 primary.
 
May be time to slow it down otherwise you'll have to slam on the brakes when reality hits. Bernie will win both and a landslide in both? C'mon do people actually think this is a likely thing that will happen? Win IA, NH, and let's see his body of work in a couple more states before even considering he has a good chance of winning the nomination...let alone the general in a landslide.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Yes, i went there. If a person is going to throw their sword down to support someone like Hillary over the facts, who is the very nature of the beast called money in politics, i will say that principles are not something that person has.

Unless said person is coming mentally clean into the voting season thinking that everyone is just playing fair and there's no such thing as influencing factors like special interest money, or corporate favors, or media narratives based on who owns what and has stakes in who, i will say that voting for Hillary or the GOP right now is essentially perpetuating a system of governance that turns ever closer towards fascism and oligarchy.

I. am. not. kidding.
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I challenge anyone to go take a look at the bernie can win thread on the main page and see who is arguing facts.
 
Wierd. I made a thread a while back and every one said hilary was going to be the next prezzy.

Did something dramatic happen or is this article full of shit
 
Haines said:
Wierd. I made a thread a while back and every one said hilary was going to be the next prezzy.

Did something dramatic happen or is this article full of shit
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Nothing happened, article is full of shit. But your original premise that Hillary will be the next president is wrong; it will be a reasonably close race.
 
Merc_ said:
Sorry buddy, but I'm not going to forget the shitty behavior I saw displayed by his supporters toward black people who didn't get on board with him. Just like I haven't forgotten the shit Hillary, Bill, and her supporters pulled against Obama during the 2008 primary.
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It's America, friend. Every candidate has a decent number of racist and bigoted supporters because America tends to have a decent number of racists and bigots; even the minority candidates of all persuasions and creeds have them. That's an unfortunate reality.

The repeated invocation on GAF is done to discredit the candidate by citing some examples of Internet shitheads in an effort to paint the entire campaign and candidate, despite the protestations of innocence like "it's not him just the supporters!". On top of that, it's typically to elevate the person perpetuating the meme as above his supporters by association with said shitheads. It's transparent, not subtle, and it's a stupid distraction.

Wait until he or any other candidate does something awful or the supporters issue reaches a critical mass eh?
 
Foffy said:
They have principles. All people are conditioned to have them.

What one can say is that they are perhaps flimsy in ways that they are not in that manner for you.

You care about oligarchy, and that's fine. Some care for trying to not regress the status quo, even if the status quo could be argued as filth.

No need to hang anybody for that. Go after the beliefs that drive behavior in the other way, and that's the Republicans and potentially some of Hillary's views. Don't go after people who want to try and at least keep the childish progress we've made, for Hillary does stand to keep some of that afloat, at minimum.
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But with things like TPP, that's not possible. Obama is trying to undermine that status quo right now, just much slower to give the illusion that the progress is status quo.

Do you get it? They are still for handing corporate power everything, they are still doing that. And the longer we wait to make drastic changes, the less possible its going to be later to do anything.

This is not about Hillary even, this is about the system of governance that she represents and is completely embodied by, that literally no one besides Bernie in this race is even talking about. Martin o malley talked about about it a little, but he has no chance.

Money in politics, and the corrupting force that has over legislation and initiatives and yes, the media, is by far the most important thing in the political spectrum today that has to be fixed. We can't wait 8 years.
 
Haines said:
Wierd. I made a thread a while back and every one said hilary was going to be the next prezzy.

Did something dramatic happen or is this article full of shit
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Suggesting Clinton will come behind O'Malley in ANY early primary basically tells you that you're listening to someone who cannot separate what they wish would happen and what is likely to happen.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Yes, i went there. If a person is going to throw their sword down to support someone like Hillary over the facts, who is the very nature of the beast called money in politics, i will say that principles are not something that person has.

Unless said person is coming mentally clean into the voting season thinking that everyone is just playing fair and there's no such thing as influencing factors like special interest money, or corporate favors, or media narratives based on who owns what and has stakes in who, i will say that voting for Hillary or the GOP right now is essentially perpetuating a system of governance that turns ever closer towards fascism and oligarchy.

I. am. not. kidding.
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Both party's are bad, so vote GOP.
 
Valhelm said:
Bernie Sanders is the most pro-black candidate running, but some of his supporters were less than sensitive after the Black Lives Matter interruptions.
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I know this sounds like a loaded question, but what did his supporters actually do or say? Did they really do racist things, or are they just being called racist because they criticized BLM?
 
I'm not one to put stock in electoral politics. I don't think Bernie would accomplish much as president due to political gridlock. But if he did win, I really hope he not only sticks to his guns put pushes farther. A people's mandate away from capitalism could be powerful. I don't want that energy to fizzle out after the election.

As a firm believer in revolutionary anti capitalist politics, Bernie has many flaws. But I do believe he could help illustrate the absolutely broken and contradictory nature of our system. I just wonder what he can really do and what he really believes in. And more importantly, what do the people really want?

Fingers crossed for Bernie, but I hope people really listen to what he says and don't settle with just voting a dude in.

Really though I'm just waiting on that armed people's uprising.
 
Cagey said:
It's America, friend. Every candidate has a decent number of racist and bigoted supporters because America tends to have a decent number of racists and bigots; even the minority candidates of all persuasions and creeds have them. That's an unfortunate reality.

The repeated invocation on GAF is done to discredit the candidate by citing some examples of Internet shitheads in an effort to paint the entire campaign and candidate, despite the protestations of innocence like "it's not him just the supporters!". On top of that, it's typically to elevate the person perpetuating the meme as above his supporters by association with said shitheads. It's transparent, not subtle, and it's a stupid distraction.

Wait until he or any other candidate does something awful or the supporters issue reaches a critical mass eh?
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lol it was far more than 'some' and it wasn't all just on the internet. I expected the downplaying of racism among a liberal support base though. Carry on.
 
TyrantII said:
Both party's are bad, so vote GOP.
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Why would i vote GOP? I'm voting Bernie because he's the only one who is even talking about the issues that need to be talked about.

The issues of this country go beyond party lines and into how exactly things are done from the ground level.
 
The difference between Ron Paul is that there is not an actual media blackout of Bernie. The similarity is that neither party is actually backing or backed them.

Their legacies won't be comparable though I don't believe. Assuming Bernie doesn't win that is. One started a gigantic grass roots effort (original 2007/2008 non crazy tea party) and had a a fairly large influence in political discussion on topics (policy hasn't been too heavily affected yet).

Bernie has all the makings for something similar so time will tell. I think Paul still has the larger crowds but I don't think there is any way to validate that.

Video of crowds for Paul: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2JhFNP4ISUw

Both are having a huge influence on young people and I honestly wish somehow we could have had a Ron Paul vs Bernie Sanders general election back in 2012.

That would put two genuine people of polar opposite beliefs on the national stage for America to choose which way the country wants to go.
 
Oddish1 said:
At least the writer is consistent
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/
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The headlines:
Bernie Sanders Will Win the Democratic Nomination and Presidency in a Landslide

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Bernie Sanders 'Destroys' Donald Trump By 13 Points, 6 More Than Clinton. Here's Why

On Wall Street Reform, Bernie Sanders Is the Democrat and Clinton is the Republican

On January 20, 2017 Bernie Sanders Will Be Sworn In as America's 45th President

In 2016, Bernie Sanders Will Defeat Clinton and Dominate Trump to Become President

Why Progressives Vote Against Their Interests When Choosing Hillary Over Bernie

Bernie Sanders Opposes Perpetual War. Trump and Clinton Could Usher Another Military Draft

Bernie Sanders Won the Debate, Defeated the DNC, and Became the Real Democratic Front Runner

Why Will Bernie Sanders Win? Quinnipiac Found Voters Correlate This Word to Hillary Clinton.

Clinton and Trump Would Make Similar Presidents. Bernie Sanders Offers America a Choice

Wins in Iowa and New Hampshire Will Propel Bernie Sanders to the Presidency

Bernie Sanders Will Become President, Despite Rigged Debate Schedules, Skewed Polls, and Clinton's 'Inevitability'

Donald Trump Utilizes Racism, but Hillary Clinton Used Similar Tactics Against Obama in 2008

20 Questions for Hillary Clinton's Supporters From a Bernie Sanders Only Voter

Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O'Malley. Here's Why

14 Percent of Democrats Will Not Support Hillary Clinton. Only Bernie Sanders Prevents Low Voter Turnout

In Late 2007, Obama Trailed Clinton By 26 Points. Bernie Sanders Is 2016's Barack Obama

Atlanta's Killer Mike Just Helped Bernie Sanders Win the White House in 2016

The Only Way to Destroy ISIS Is With a Bernie Sanders Presidency​






It's like I'm reading the blog of a madman.


This guy is going to create BernieIs45.com isn't he? Well, he would if I didn't already snag it :)
 
q_q said:
I know this sounds like a loaded question, but what did his supporters actually do or say? Did they really do racist things, or are they just being called racist because they criticized BLM?
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They didn't criticize shit, they attacked black posters on social media, including a lot of influential ones like Elon James, and the TWIB crew. Saying they should be glad cause Bernie marched with MLK.
 
Gattsu25 said:
The headlines:
Bernie Sanders Will Win the Democratic Nomination and Presidency in a Landslide

Clinton Attacks Bernie Sanders on Guns, But Was as a 'Pro-Gun Churchgoer' in 2008

Bernie Sanders 'Destroys' Donald Trump By 13 Points, 6 More Than Clinton. Here's Why

On Wall Street Reform, Bernie Sanders Is the Democrat and Clinton is the Republican

On January 20, 2017 Bernie Sanders Will Be Sworn In as America's 45th President

In 2016, Bernie Sanders Will Defeat Clinton and Dominate Trump to Become President

Why Progressives Vote Against Their Interests When Choosing Hillary Over Bernie

Bernie Sanders Opposes Perpetual War. Trump and Clinton Could Usher Another Military Draft

Bernie Sanders Won the Debate, Defeated the DNC, and Became the Real Democratic Front Runner

Why Will Bernie Sanders Win? Quinnipiac Found Voters Correlate This Word to Hillary Clinton.

Clinton and Trump Would Make Similar Presidents. Bernie Sanders Offers America a Choice

Wins in Iowa and New Hampshire Will Propel Bernie Sanders to the Presidency

Bernie Sanders Will Become President, Despite Rigged Debate Schedules, Skewed Polls, and Clinton's 'Inevitability'

Donald Trump Utilizes Racism, but Hillary Clinton Used Similar Tactics Against Obama in 2008

20 Questions for Hillary Clinton's Supporters From a Bernie Sanders Only Voter

Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O'Malley. Here's Why

14 Percent of Democrats Will Not Support Hillary Clinton. Only Bernie Sanders Prevents Low Voter Turnout

In Late 2007, Obama Trailed Clinton By 26 Points. Bernie Sanders Is 2016's Barack Obama

Atlanta's Killer Mike Just Helped Bernie Sanders Win the White House in 2016

The Only Way to Destroy ISIS Is With a Bernie Sanders Presidency​


It's like I'm reading the blog of a madman.


This guy is going to create BernieIs45.com isn't he? Well, he would if I didn't already snag it :)
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Well good to see that he's not gonna fold and become a Hillary supporter if Bernie loses. That's integrity.
 
Merc_ said:
lol it was far more than 'some' and it wasn't all just on the internet. I expected the downplaying of racism among a liberal support base though. Carry on.
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You guys beat this drum in every single thread involving Sanders and the examples never come. Disagreeing about the strategy of BLM may come from a place of racial ignorance in a lot of cases but anyone simply disagreeing with what they did in regards to Bernie was branded a racist on GAF at the time, and still is today. I don't even have to reach outside to social media, that shit was going down on GAF itself. Never ever do you actually substantiate this characterization of his base.

This really should be considers ban-worthy threadshitting at this point. Every fucking thread no matter where the conversation is actually going.
 
cheezcake said:
Oh k I'll bite. Where did this Bernie Sanders is racist thing come from?
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The narrative started because he was in charge of a state that was predominately white, and because nobody even knew who he was, had low support from minorities.

It got worse when two black lives matter girls interrupted one of his speeches that was held at a social security rally, and said he didn't care about black people because he didn't talk about black issues enough for their liking.

People who know who Bernie Sanders is usually support him vigorously, but this is his first year as a national politician.


q_q said:
I know this sounds like a loaded question, but what did his supporters actually do or say? Did they really do racist things, or are they just being called racist because they criticized BLM?
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on twitter was a meme being passed around "why i can't help but be racist toward black people" after that BLM kerfuffle. and on reddit, there was a lot of anger and frustration about the situation, some of which manifested in hate speech and insensitive stereotypes.

Being black myself, it was hurtful from both sides, having the political base i supported stoop to that garbage, and having to see what i thought was a personally unfair attack on Bernie Sanders.

I've since made peace with the fact that what those two women did was actually a good thing in many ways, and made him more aware to put up racially aware language and proposals.

I think..that in general, as a Bernie Sanders "fandom" we are all very unorganized, very loud, and very unruly. We are also desperate to enact some changes from the only person around we see as speaking some sense.

So a lot of ugliness and bitterness and horrible things have been brought out, and will probably continue to be brought out, although i don't think that is representative of Bernie Sanders fandom at large.
 
EskimoJoe said:
As far as I can recall it, it isn't so much than Bernie is a racist. It's more that some of his supporters were seen acting that way in the period where BLM was protesting a lot of Democratic events to get the candidates to talk about their issues.
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Valhelm said:
Bernie Sanders is the most pro-black candidate running, but some of his supporters were less than sensitive after the Black Lives Matter interruptions.
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Slayven said:
They didn't criticize shit, they attacked black posters on social media, including a lot of influential ones like Elon James, and the TWIB crew. Saying they should be glad cause Bernie marched with MLK.
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Ohhhh wow that is spastic. I mean surely it can't be hard to just open a dialogue with the protesters and show them factually that Bernie has the most pro-black policies and voting record of the candidates.
 
Merc_ said:
lol it was far more than 'some' and it wasn't all just on the internet. I expected the downplaying of racism among a liberal support base though. Carry on.
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A predictable, tiresome deflection by painting me as downplaying racism, and again trying to establish a moral superiority for pointing out your nonsense instead of you defending it.

Like what on earth would you characterize it as other than "some"? Words have meaning. Do you mean to say "most"? "A lot"? You have any reason to extrapolate from the number of awful incidents or tweets that happened to say that? Of course not.

I suggest you should put me on ignore.
 
Merc_ said:
lol it was far more than 'some' and it wasn't all just on the internet. I expected the downplaying of racism among a liberal support base though. Carry on.
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So you don't even want to discuss it, your mind is made up. If you disagree, you are a defender of racists.

Are some Bernie supporters racist? Without a doubt. Were a vocal minority especially racist? Without a doubt. Is it more than "some"? I don't think so. I guess we can agree to disagree since your mind seems to be made up.
 
cheezcake said:
Ohhhh wow that is spastic. I mean surely it can't be hard to just open a dialogue with the protesters and show them factually that Bernie has the most pro-black policies and voting record of the candidates.
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That ship sailed a lot of black independent media refuse to even mention Bernie now, because they don't want to be fighting his more rabid base all day.
 
cheezcake said:
Ohhhh wow that is spastic. I mean surely it can't be hard to just open a dialogue with the protesters and show them factually that Bernie has the most pro-black policies and voting record of the candidates.
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"Most pro-black" isn't really saying much of anything at all. This is a deeply racist country and that pervades politics at all levels. Criticising them for pushing him further is silly. There is no issue Bernie is far enough left on. I understand that's a necessity in American presidential politics, but radical activists have a responsibility to push him further and further.

Saying "he's not as bad as everyone else!" is dandy, but he needs to be good. He's the only candidate with that potential, so people need to push him constantly. And he's been alright about it. He certainly handles criticism much better than many (most?) of his followers.
 
Slayven said:
That ship sailed a lot of black independent media refuse to even mention Bernie now, because they don't want to be fighting his more rabid base all day.
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Eh, I'm not sure people affiliated with BLM should be the ones complaining about a rabid base of supporters.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Being cowed by the same forces they are just now waking up to fight against in order to push Sanders over the edge.

Nobody gave a shit about politics before now because nobody gave a shit about the candidates. Obama never gave us any reason to support him because he had already broken quite a few campaign promises right after he went into office.

He never extolled any virtue about progressive causes or really said much of anything after he won besides how much he liked compromising and how much people should not complain because they are lucky a Republican isn't in office.

Its no wonder nobody came out to support him when he never made the case for himself to begin with. Having followed him since i voted for him in 2008 and again in 2012, last night's final state of the address was the most right he was in his entire Presidency, atleast in speech terms.
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How can I take anything you say seriously in the face of comments like this? It seems like such an insane disconnect from reality to me, the likes of which I'm use to encountering on FreeRepublic. Did you miss Obama's first campaign? ...and do you seriously expect Bernie not to be forced to compromise even worse than Obama had to? Do you understand a President is not a dictator? When President Sanders fails to realize his campaign promises or comprises will that be your excuse to ignore future midterms too?
 
Slayven said:
Does he know Killer Mike isn't the king of negros?
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I've seen you say this twice now. Are we not supposed to recognize that a famous person is in support of Bernie that falls within the demographic he most struggles with? I mean, I see your point if people are saying things like "he has the black vote now" but I'm not seeing that.
 
Cagey said:
A predictable, tiresome deflection by painting me as downplaying racism and again trying to establish a moral superiority for pointing out your nonsense instead of defending it.

Like what on earth would you characterize it as other than "some"? Words have meaning. Do you mean to say "most"? "A lot"? You have any reason to extrapolate from the number of awful incidents or tweets that happened to say that? Of course not.

I suggest you should put me on ignore.
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Why would I do that? Like I said, you gave the expected response and you're still doing it. Carry on yo.
 
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